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Here, have some new photos. Taken at lunchtime today:

That's what she said.

The first funeral will be held today, with 2 more this weekend and the final one on Monday. DW CEO has announced that out of respect for the families, there is a media blackout and no further media calls/press releases/interviews will occur until after the funerals next week.

@Ryande16the same bolts are on the storm coaster.

I find that implausible for a couple of reasons: I highly doubt the pump would be able to start again of it's own accord. It would have required someone to take some sort of action. If this is the case, I would like to think that the ride would not have had people on it. depending on which pump it was (there are two) this 'gush' would be unlikely even if it were to have occurred - the first pump - north side of the conveyor contributes most of it's effort towards the ride channel - given it's location and the downward run, little of it would flow toward the conveyor, as there are several baffles, guards and rails in the way (see below). The second pump contributes most of it's flow to the load channel. If this is the one that failed, I would suggest that the water level would have been too low to keep rafts above the guide rails below the water - which would cause frequent bottoming out. Now - i'm aware that the 'front raft' in this incident had done exactly that, but if it had been off for a while, I doubt they'd have been able to operate. If it had momentarily failed, and then restarted, there would be insufficient drain to warrant a 'gush' strong enough to tip over the raft. Again - looking at the picture below you can see that most of any 'force' provided by the pump outlets isn't directed in such a way as to be 'focussed' on the conveyor exit. All of the structure in the area would dampen any impact a surging pump would have. If the raft was 'caught' in the conveyor', a sudden gush of water would have the opposite effect - instead of tipping it, it would have righted it \ pushed it out of the conveyor. Remember too that these rafts are built to stay upright through the turbulent waters of the ride. The tube (not the fibreglass seating area) provides the flotation, and remember that these things are built to house 6 adults plus baggage, meaning their weight capacity above the raft itself should be more than 700kg. Given there were two children on board, it would be safe to assume it had no more than about 500kg onboard - so even if another 200kg of water hit and flowed into the raft, it should still have floated. Conversely, 200kg of water would be unlikely to have enough force to tip the raft over, given many of these rides load 'in channel' without causing serious 'rocking'. Wonderland's model is obviously different. I believe that Intamin were the manufacturer of the WS model. I don't know what the specs are of the pumps, and how they compare, but the stationhouse setup and flume size is relatively similar. Assuming that the pumps are similar in size, I doubt the ride could have operated with one pump shut down. Wonderland had problems with the age of its pumps in its last 4 years, and the ride could not operate if one was completely out of service. I am firmly of the belief that it is the mechanical action of the conveyor itself that has pushed the back end of the raft under, lifting the front end and causing a capsize. Just my 87 cents.

Well if the sign is still above the door as @YLFATEEKS says I'd imagine it's accessible or at least used to be. are you referring to this 'shack' TPG?

Well that's a world first - a rollercoaster with 3 names. Blue Beetles? Wtf... I'll tell you what, if that is the final name of the coaster when it opens in 12 months, I'll buy you a Parkz membership, for life. Clearly takes someone smarter than you to realise Mack coasters use the same basic foundation supports

Height has almost correlation with the quality of the ride and the amount of thrills, In my experience....It's everything after the high point which counts IMO.

They probably added 60 metre as that's 200 feet, which is the minimum height of a hyper

Having operated Snowy River Rampage at WS for several years and having been on TRR in August I have been reading with interest the media's 'spin' and members of the public's thoughts on what happened to cause this tragic incident. My thoughts is that it was a combination of operator error (unfortunately) and ride system failure. Firstly the ride operators should've been aware that the first raft had stopped where it was and that the lift was still moving and stopped the ride, there are at least two operators who should've picked up on this. Secondly is the system failure, at WS there were sensors at the top of the lift that stopped it if two boats were too close together. (it's a bit blurry but it's in the bottom right hand corner of the photos where the white electrical junction box is). It's a bit hard to see from the photos of TRR I have been able to find but I would presume that they would have the same or similar systems at Dreamworld which have failed and the lift has continued moving the raft. Again this is my own opinion and I will be interested to see the outcome of the Police and Coronial investigations.

I don't like hypothesising when we don't know the facts, but it isn't impossible to believe that the 3 elements coming together is what caused a usual run of the mill issue becoming tragic. We know the pump/s was having issues at some point earlier that day. Potentially the decision was made to keep the pump running at a reduced efficiency as this hasn't led to issues previously, or there was no foreseen negative outcome in doing so. A mechanical component then could have failed, i.e. a sensor that detects a boat in the first block area after the conveyor, causing the conveyer to continue to move when usually it would stop, and just happened to do so at the exact time a boat happened to be stuck. finally human error in an attendant not noticing that a boat happened to have become stuck/bottomed out and/or the non-stopping of the conveyor and hitting the e-spot prior to an impact occurring, potentially due to such an issue no arising previously. Again all that is entirely conjecture and just an example of how all 3, however unlikely in isolation, 'could' occur simultaneously in some 'perfect storm' scenario. And clarifying further, none of the examples I have given may be true and are not based on any fact or knowledge of the actual events

Although something over 300 feet tall would be cool and give an immediate visual perspective of the park IMO after the first drop is when you can start to enjoy yourself. AA is a great roller coaster - it's not all about the height. GL is a great roller coaster - not about the height. As much as I would like to see a 300 foot high coaster I'm relatively happy with whatever they build, aslong as it is both visually pleasing (which movie world always delivers) and physically enjoyable to ride.

See I thought it might've been the house looking thing next to it lol

Go back to sleep razz. Come back tomorrow, you're losing it..

I didn't know the ride manufacturer was still a point of conjecture.. @MickeyD I've always thought a September school holiday launch would be best placed to allow them to maximise Christmas/summer attendance with holidaymakers

He must really like staying in his house then...

Doesn't take a genius to figure out that the ground supports and bolts used are identical to flash at lewa adventure.

There's a lot of sets of hold down bolts left in the compound!

One of my mates has a drone. However I don't think it would fly from Perth to the Gold Coast. A little out of range. I personally hope its closer to 300 feet than 200 feet. 200 feet is just double the hight of Abyss.

@razza1987 the article states that Longhurst has only visited the park once since he sold it and that was 6 months after he told it.

@razza1987 It's not a house. It's a very small cottage and no to your question.

Thing is, yes the overall amount of park visits are down, as going to a theme park isn't the thing people particularly want to be doing right now. But there are also less parks at the moment. Attendance seems pretty stable at the Village parks so far, perhaps even a slight uptick, but it's hard to tell given we are coming off a bumper school holidays. I'm cynical enough to say that they probably always intended to extend the offer for memberships (which really there is no good reason to stop it ever). If the Dreamworld tragedy did affect them, it did so in this way; theme park advertising would be rather 'on the nose' right now, and it's rather plain to see that Village have pulled their marketing for the moment - so not a good time to be getting the word out about a new ticket offer.

@djrappa @AlexB sounds like one of your favourite type of people.

The site that Dreamworld now occupies once belonged to John and Sarah Williamson, some English cattle raising family who in 1874 decided to name their house Hollywood Cottage, and thus placing this name on a hardwood beam, which was then placed above their front door. Their original cottage still stands intact on Dreamworld grounds, as part of Gold Rush Country, where the descendants of the Williamson’s stayed on until 1989. When DW first opened gold rush the blacksmith in gold rush was the guy that lived in the house. The dude and I believe his wife lived in the house for 3 years after Gold Rush was opened. The house remains and there is a photo floating around somewhere on parkz.

Not a guess.

http://finance.nine.com.au/2016/11/02/08/51/arden-leisure-boss-threatened-over-dreamworld-deaths Ms Thomas has been threatened on social media and holds fears for her family’s safety after photos of her Sydney apartment and son’s school were published in the media. And I bet the media couldn't care less as it would stop a great story being published...

Whilst I have heard the term swimmers, bathers is more common here. Swimmers sounds very old school. Is it English?

200.0007 feet. Even higher if we take it from AHD.

Yeah 200 feet is nice but 250 feet + would be amazing , imagine a coaster twice the height of superman....INSANE

Doesn't flash have a twist in the drop as well?

I'm still trying to figure out in my mind what an empty raft was doing at the exit of the ride

I'm fairly confident the CCTV would not be publicly released, but I do think we will see 3D modelling come out in any inquiry or inquest. This would probably be easier to 'stomach' and would still show the physics involved.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/dreamworld-ride-tragedy-freak-combination-of-factors-blamed/news-story/dbaadf79abb04fb5a7ef1f7a516f9957#itm=newscomau|home|nca-homepage-topstories|5|link|homepage|homepage&itmt=1478127069035#itm=newscomau|home|nca-homepage-topstories|5|link|homepage|homepage&itmt=1478127070111 Sydney mother-of-two Cindy Low, 42, will be the first of the victims to be farewelled today. She died alongside Canberra woman Kate Goodchild, 32, Ms Goodchild’s brother Luke Dorsett, 35, and his partner Roozi Araghi, 38. Ahead of her funeral today on the NSW central coast, Ms Low’s family said they were struggling to come to terms with their loss. A joint funeral for Ms Goodchild and Mr Dorsett will be held on Monday in Canberra. It is understood Mr Araghi’s funeral will be held at the weekend.

Thanks for offering your experienced insight @Bussy. My thoughts exactly.

Pepsi Max Big One in Blackpool Pleasure Beach has a twisting drop as well.

Wait is this what you're saying? If so do you guys think it would be like flash's drop, or like coaster through the clouds drop ?? Sorry if the photo is a bit blurry, but those are the different angles of elevation of the lift hill at 60m, 70m and 80m. Do you guys think that an angle of 37-38 ° is to steep or its normal?

Please guys only negative likes, we need to get this ride to 89 ??

Obviously. I didn't even notice until after you'd pointed them out.

Funerals will take place this week as the deceased were released to the families over the weekend. From all accounts the safety checks begun Saturday, I don't imagine it will take weeks to sign off the park unless there are issues that arise

I agree with the Premier's push to keep the park closed. Additionally, I think it should remain closed until a full investigation has been completed into the safety the park and its rides. They've raised legitimate doubts about their ability to judge the safety of their own attractions. I am absolutely shocked that Dreamworld would even try and reopen the park so soon.

Wow lots going on there now an aerial photo would be cool

was not meaning to upset you in what i said sorry

Doesn't necessarily mean it's a lift hill - it could be the brake run. So the plans show where the footings are? It seems mainly like a guess on your part anyway, am I right?

There are heaps of deaths at DisneyLand its just hardly any of this information leaks out being the only difference is the depth of the owners pockets to make it go away ... I was a bit annoyed to find out about this via an over sea's paper sad really not many places to visit in AU for a theme part treat .. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3872788/Dreamworld-never-open-employees-face-jail-safety-negligence.html?ito=social-facebook_Australia