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It's funny the reaction this one has got, particuarly on facebook. There seems to be a subset of people who think Dreamworld should be immune from critisim no matter what they do. I want the park to do well, but they aren't a sacred cow, if they do something questionable then questions should be asked. For me the big one is this; have DW learned anything from TRR? You just had an accident on an in house ride, that has been modifoed from it's original design in a way that allowed the accident to happen. Why would you repeat that process with another ride? No other manufacturer has made a ride modification like this, so why do DW feel that making their own modifications again is a good idea? Call MACK or Whitewater West or Intamin, explain the issues and get them to advise on solutions. If they can't fix them, you tear it all down and start again. You don't put in a half arsed solution that you are 100% exposed on if something else goes bad. People are like you need to support them 100%, well if you support the emperor then tell him he's not wearing pants. Support is telling hard truths.10 points
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Some points from today's experince - Getting into and getting out of the logs was so much easier than I thought it would (This is coming from someone who is around 6ft 2 btw) - The cage do shake/rattle a lot during the duration of the ride, I would say the worst of the rattling occurs when you are coming back to the station - Ride does feel slightly underwhelming now as the cave has been removed but I understand why it had to be removed, it gives off the same vibe as Vikings did when it had it's course changed making it bland. I'm hoping the vegetation around that area grows pretty quickly - Dispatches are very slow at the moment, only the right side is working atm. One boat did go through the left side of the station but staff were not allowing anyone using that side at all - Queues were reaching up to this point today Now to wrap my experience on RHLR. Here's a few photos of the ride in action3 points
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My wording was careful, the modifications allowed the accident to happen; it's difficult to imagine the accident happening if slats hadn't been removed.2 points
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(Tributes flow in as the long awaited demolition has finally concluded) One part of the mountain lives on! (For now..)2 points
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I don't think anyone's suggested that Dreamworld has done these modifications without having the work signed off by engineers. It's absolutely certain that they did. But this is not a new thing. For many years they have relied on qualified internal and external engineers to sign off on all manner of work, yet the incident and the ensuing audits made it abundantly clear that processes simply weren't adequate in the past. If you think what they've added to the Log Ride represents best practice in the industry and that it is the level of engineering Dreamworld should be aspiring to, then that's where we differ.1 point
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I guess it comes down to experience; are there engineers on site at DW? Yes. Would they know as much about log rides and log ride boats as engineers from a company who design and sell log rides? Of course not. When your solution is at odds with what everyone in the industry is doing, maybe outsourcing engineering might be a plan.1 point
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Thats not how it works. Obviously you would go back to who made your ride when looking to make changes. If they arent available, youd look to engage a registered engineer to aid in the design/implementation and sign off on the modifications as "safe" or "fit for use". It happens in construction much the same. If the original party cannot be retained when planning changes or modifications, theres a company with a registered engineer thats prepared to put it all on the line and sign off on the project. Theres no chance in hell they would modify something on their own without some process. One; you guys are kinda expecting teams of designers and engineers are readily employed by the park, along with the equipment/machinery to design and manufacture the components. It would end up having to be farmed out. Two; it means they accept all responsibility and are 100% liable. Given what has happened, the government inspectors would hang them without a registered engineer being engaged in the process. Even if they ultimately deemed the modification safe.1 point
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I think I need to improve on my sarcasm a lot more better..1 point
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Fences are down Not off to a good start if an upcoming attraction is ‘unavailable’ And because why not here’s a closer look into the control booth of the ride?1 point
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All completely demolished now Got more better photos which I will upload later tonight1 point
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They look like they have holes in them for wire rope or tube to allow creeping plants to grow over.1 point
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Do you seriously think, given what has happened, and given the current outlook by a significant number of people that our parks are still death traps, dreamworld could survive another serious incident? Even if it wasn't to kill someone, it would only highlight that they knew about the issue given someone had previously injured themselves and throw a MASSIVE PETROL TANKER full of fuel on to the fire that safety is lacking in our parks and (insert which ever catch cry you choose; torn down, government should step in, etc,). What would happen is the press would be all over it. They would start by referencing the deaths that occurred at the park, then they would blow up the previous story about the person that nearly drowned due to stupidity and turn it into a safety issue, questioning why another one of their old rides has been left to injure or kill someone, had they learned nothing from the past? Throw in some comments about ride break downs and safety, then round off the story by questioning the government safety inspectors, did they do their jobs properly? how can this happen? which would force the governments hand to step in with whatever ill advised, spur of the moment method they choose so they can show the members of the public they take this sort of thing seriously. Basically, the majority of the public would listen to the media reports like last time, only now, some of the people who felt the media were continuing to attack the parks needlessly after the deaths would be swayed, wondering maybe there is something to the reports after all. Not only that, but you'd force the governments hand to make a grand spectacle out of anything they did, while the park sits there and suffers, possibly going through another round of closures while inspectors go through the park again. Short of a massive fire, I really couldn't think of anything worse that could occur at the moment.1 point
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Just to de-rail this thread some more... The Tower of Terror is one of my all time favourites, it's just a classic for me, AND i'd totally support removing it tomorrow because: it's ridiculously loud, especially when compared to any modern ride it divides the park and the white tin tunnel is a horrendous sight it doesn't do what it advertises anyway (go 160k/ph and 115m) It's nearly 21 years old and well into its twilight years anyway given the current state of electronics and ride systems Since Dreamworld are so into pinching my ideas i'll throw them another one i've already written about - scrap Tower of Terror & Giant Drop, keep the tower, and install a Sky Jump (Falcon's Fury/Ikaros) - then you'd actually have a modern thrill ride that would be as terrifying as Rivals, would market well, wouldn't cost a whole lot to retrofit and could be integrated into the Rocky Hollow space.1 point
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