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And I thought DW having themed lands/rides placed in the wrong places was terrible - making a ride have 2 themes is just ridiculous. Let's hope this won't become a trend:

What does the 'H' signify (if it does signify anything)? Does it stand for 'hut' or something?

Jamberoo is going to the max for theming in The Perfect Storm's new television commercial: That's what I expect from Gold Coast theme parks! It's unlikely but I hope they put that video (extended and designed to run on a loop) on televisions in the queue line for The Perfect Storm as it would improve the theming dramatically even if it got repetitive for visitors after multiple rides. Jamberoo Action Park's 2016/2017 season begins in 4 days but I'm still not sure if The Perfect Storm will opened then too.

Haha sorry about that. The main part for you to read is the dot points at the top (the rest is for certain forum members) - I was just giving my reasons as to why I think DW might not be focusing on building high thrill rollercoasters for the 2018 Commonwealth Games. The Giant Drop was still a world record breaking ride only until 2012. It is still only 11 metres off the world record so I would still consider it a very modern theme park ride internationally. DW did revitalise Tower Of Terror in 2010 so you can go backwards - maybe Tower Of Terror II will be deemed old in 2023? Personally, I don't think Giant Drop & Tower Of Terror II are overshadowed by MW's rides. Also, like I said, I think MW's new rollercoaster is less to do with general industry competition but more for the Gold Coast to meet worldwide theme park standards by the 2018 Commonwealth Games. Mick Doohan's Motocoaster (opened 2007) would be a 'family version' of Superman Escape (opened 2005) - MW definitely overshadowed in that regard but remember DW is targeted to families which Motocoaster is designed for. Buzzsaw (opened 2011) can be considered similar to Green Lantern (opened 2011) due to their steepness and long periods in inversions so I don't think MW overshadowed in this case - they are probably of equal standing despite their obvious differences in design and operation. And remember, DW's major plans haven't been revealed yet for 2017/2018 (though a rollercoaster is now looking unlikely). We'll have to wait & see what DW has in store for us. Also, here are some things to consider about the past 12 years: DW has built 5 high thrill rides while MW has built 3. That's about 1 every 2.4 years (DW) and 1 every 4 years (MW). DW has not gone longer than 4 years (2007 to 2011) without opening a new high thrill ride while MW has not gone longer than 5 years (2006-2011 & 2011 to the present). While DW builds high thrill rides frequently, they are targeted to families while MW's are very infrequent in construction but are designed for the biggest of thrillseekers. This gives the illusion that DW is falling behind MW in the thrill level stakes despite the fact that in the end they are both doing good business practice - catering for their target markets. This might be coincidental but since 2011 when Gold Coast won the Games hosting rights, DW has opened 2 new high thrill rides while MW has opened none. This might be due to strategy for the Games - MW focusing on the 2017 rollercoaster while DW focusing on building multiple flat thrill rides. In the end, we'll have to wait & see. Note: I defined 'high thrill ride' above as for DW, their 'Big 9 Thrill Rides' and for MW, just Superman Escape, Batwing Spaceshot & Green Lantern. Remember, when they opened, they were world record breaking rides. Any ride that breaks a world record would require significant financial investment. Hypercoasters are defined by it's drop height - in this case, between 61 & 91 metres. MW's highest rollercoaster drop is Superman Escape's at 40 metres so it is 21 metres off being classified a 'hypercoaster'. If you compare Superman Escape's footprint with the size of the construction site for MW's new rollercoaster, it is possible to fit a hypercoaster in there - at least the drop is minimum 61 metres high.

Even though the final drop room's effects are still not operating, it is great to hear that they've improved the theming significantly on the rest of the ride. I just got a question: As a few have said that not everything is working yet, would the final drop room's effects be included in that? It would be a surprise if tomorrow or in a few days the mountain had smoke effects being blown out of it again when everything is back in operation. If that doesn't eventuate, given they've used this long maintenance period to fix and improve the theming on like 95% of the ride, I wonder if in a shorter future maintenance period, apart from general maintenance, they will dedicated most of it to restoring the final drop room's effects?

Given the Games are clearly the reason for the sudden large investments in the theme parks, here's my thoughts: Firstly, remember that the Gold Coast is well known for it's theme parks - they are a icon. Secondly, therefore, internationally the parks will get a lot of media coverage so the 1st thing all parks are going to do is refurbish - they want to look good for international media and visitors during the Games. As we can see, all the parks are doing this as we speak. International visitors & media users, when they think of theme parks, expect hypercoasters, gigacoasters, stratacoasters etc, which none of these theme parks currently have. The closest in standard is Superman Escape, which doesn't qualify as a hypercoaster at a minimum, but is renowned as one of the best rollercoasters worldwide due to it's theming, flow and smoothness. Australian theme parks constantly tell us they can't build bigger rollercoasters due to it's costs and the size of the surrounding populations but if a reputation is at stake worldwide that the Gold Coast is Australia's 'theme park hub' then 1 hypercoaster at a minimum needs to be built. MW & DW were the 2 likeliest parks to have this built. I do recall someone saying that MW & DW have shared their plans in regards to pre-Games investments so given the enormous cost of a hypercoaster, I'll guess that they agreed that MW would build it (maybe they can handle the financial risks better?). Dreamworld may have taken a different strategy. The Games won't see an increase in international tourism until the Games themselves and after a short interval, again after the Games - though some people argue these post-Games tourism boosts never eventuate. In my opinion, they do occur but not on the scale people imagine it to be. So the biggest new investments don't need to be opened until Boxing Day 2017 at the earliest - as we know, MW's new rollercoaster is rumoured to be opening then. The biggest investments I'd expect will open in 2018, 2019 and late 2017 with major refurbishments occurring up to mid/late 2017. Remember, in my initial post I said it gave me reason there will be a new DW rollercoaster no earlier than April 2018 - they said "at this stage" after all so they may have plans (which theme park wouldn't?) but for it to open after the Games in 2019/late-2018 or even later (but no later than 2022 like I said in my previous post). The theme parks would obviously focus on improving all their theming as well as more focusing on their main themes (Australiana, water thrills, movies & the sea). Given that an increase in international visitation is highly expected to be a result of the Games, DW may focus on delivering more Australian experiences (e.g. Brock's Garage, Corroboree etc.) rather than thrills which MW can do as they are more flexible in this regard due to the movie theme they have (they are not limited to Australian movies). DW does have international things in their park (e.g. Tiger Island, Dreamworks Experience, Hotwheels Sidewinder etc.) but most of their park is still themed to Australia & international visitors to the Gold Coast would expect Australian experiences at DW rather than just general thrills that they know they can experience back home anyway. And when I mean 'experiences', I also mean Australian theming in rides. So in short, due to the Games & as a result of their respective themes, I'm expecting DW to more focus on the theming rather than thrill level of new rides while MW will focus on both thrill level & theming. Both parks will also ensure they cater for all audiences. Lastly, all of this requires significant investment so they would need to save financial resources to do it. A lack of new developments anytime post-2011 (when Gold Coast won the Games hosting rights) should have been expected so massive developments can occur to open around April 2018. If they did have plans, I'm sure they would have been tight-lipped and/or cryptic instead of just giving a direct answer implying no. Regarding the latter sentence, if you constantly e-mail them or they figure out you are a theme park enthusiast, they will not answer queries about future investments as openly as they would with a non-theme park enthusiast as they know that with a theme park enthusiast, the information will very likely end up being posted on places like Parkz. That's why I don't ask on social media, I wait until a non-theme park enthusiast does - a more open response is likely to be delivered then. I have noticed that, where possible, the social media teams of the Gold Coast theme parks give acknowledgement if management has not told them something or they can't confirm something. @Ryande16, in my opinion, a person's opinion of a theme park should best be determined by the parks' use of theming. An amusement park should best be determined on how well it amuses you. For example, look at Superman Escape - in an amusement park, it would just be a rollercoaster - leave the station, turns some corners, pause, launch, up hills, down drops, hit the brakes, arrive at station & laugh at your ride-on photo - but in a theme park, it is an experience - waiting for a subway train where a earthquake occurs with the only way out being the subway itself and just before the subway caves in, Superman saves the day. Superman Escape without any theming would do it's job at an amusement park - you get G-forces, acceleration, speed, heights etc. - but not at a theme park, the ride would be really generic. Add all the theming that you get with Superman Escape & you can see the difference it makes so it is credited as one of the world's best theme park rollercoasters - that is definitely doing it's job at a theme park. Really, the least thrilling rides can be made into a thrill by converting it into an themed experience. My favourite ride was Bermuda Triangle - not because of the ride design/type but because of the theming. When I think about Bermuda, for most of the ride, it is just people sitting in a boat - that's what you expect at an amusement park - but in Bermuda, they added roof cave-ins, dramatic music, lasers, fire/water/special effects, cinematic experiences, roaming characters etc. - it is an experience. That's what makes a great theme park ride. The ultimate example is the walk-through: At an amusement park, walking down a path could be just that but add a theme to that walking path and you got a whole new and different experience. By the way, the best way to rank theme parks is a highly argued matter on Parkz so don't worry about it much (some people may disagree with my opinion too). Your opinion might be great for amusement parks but theme parks are a whole different ball park. In the end, it is your opinion.

How likely is everyone thinking that WWF will be back to it's opening day theming tomorrow (like with the smoke effects coming out of the top of the mountain etc.)? No, you are not It's because the Gold Coast City 2018 Commonwealth Games are approaching.

Just to clarify information about Stage 2: And if anyone is interested or doesn't know, here is everything that opened today as part of Stage 1:

Also, we got to remember this other response from @The Original Belinda Brown to @Santa07's question: Remember, the question says "or" and @The Original Belinda Brown's answer didn't specify which ride(s). As a result of the Facebook comment, I feel now it is more likely that they were referring to a dark ride than a rollercoaster. Here is something to note though - Dreamworld has never gone longer than 9 years (1988 to 1997) without building a new rollercoaster structure or 11 years without building a new rollercoaster structure with a new theme (1986 to 1997) so given Buzzsaw, their most recent rollercoaster, opened in 2011, a major rollercoaster might be 'pencilled in' for the post-April 2018 part of their 10 year plan but more in the April 2018-June 2022 time period (up to June 2020 if 9 years, up to June 2022 if 11 years). A major rollercoaster might be 'pencilled in' but I don't think the plans are serious/set to go yet hence "not at this stage".

I would think that too but in regards to Jamberoo, I find out a lot of accurate information about their future plans from Facebook comments - it's usually not what they say but how they say it. I only recently started looking at the Facebook pages of Gold Coast theme parks again when the Mack Rides crates appeared at Movie World so I will probably get a better idea of their accuracy over the coming months. In any case, if Dreamworld did have plans for a rollercoaster, rather than saying bluntly "not at this stage", I would have expected them to say "you'll have to wait & see" - this allows them to say 'yes' without actually saying 'yes' especially if publicity for a large rollercoaster was to start shortly (like how Movie World's new rollercoaster was due to be announced a few weeks ago). A major new rollercoaster would of been budgeted in by now - so there would have been some sort of 'plans'. But I do hope Dreamworld does have plans for a new rollercoaster. That was what I was thinking too... ...but we got to remember @The Original Belinda Brown's response to @reanimated35's question:

Dreamworld has confirmed today in a Facebook comment that they have no plans "at this stage" for a new rollercoaster. Judging from that, sadly, I guess that means no new major rollercoaster at Dreamworld in the lead up to the 2018 Commonwealth Games otherwise they would have already prepared financially & logistically for it especially given the 1.5 year time frame they got left before the Games (If Movie World's major rollercoaster takes a year & 5 months to just build, that leaves only 2 or so months for Dreamworld to begin work on theirs & if they have no plans, well 2 months I think might be too little to prepare financially, creatively & logistically). I'd be expecting more thrill flat rides to be built instead in the lead up to the Games unless Dreamworld in the near future decides on a smaller rollercoaster that doesn't take as long to build, finance, decides themes for & organise the construction site for. I think the idea of any type of rollercoaster opening at Dreamworld during or before April 2018 is now less likely.

Thanks @JaggedJanine. I was curious in case they were planning to make the rollercoaster do something grand over the car park entrance (like a loop etc.) followed by a short section around the grass overflow car park and back. But yeah, those earthworks and pipes look like it's just for emergency services. Not sure if I missed anything but are the Mack Rides crates still on site unopened? The sudden amount of earthworks just got me wondering. For your information, the new rollercoaster is very unlikely to be anywhere near the DC Comics Super-Villians Unleashed area. Otherwise, it would have to travel around or through Arkham Asylum. It's highly likely though to be located southeast of Green Lantern & Justice League: Alien Invasion 4D.

Are they definitely new walls or is it just the remaining façades without the Chinatown theming? I'm assuming the new walls you are referring to are the yellow walls. The colour just looks the same that is all. Some parts of the façades are definitely gone though.

It's highly likely that those markers are for the station. As it is currently the best location for the queue entrance, the roller coaster is highly likely to start & finish in-between Justice League: Alien Invasion 4D & Green Lantern. The only concern I have with the station being there is having too many queues in an already cluttered area. There would be 4 queues - Justice League: Alien Invasion 4D, Batwing Spaceshot, Green Lantern & the new rollercoaster. It might create a bottleneck having heaps of visitors walking down/up that short footpath to those 4 queues especially with a top 10 worldwide rollercoaster there. If the station is not there, Movie World could surprise us & build the station behind Superman Escape/next to Arkham Asylum, where there is plenty of room - but until there is a sign of construction there, it is unlikely. Regarding the rumoured ride duration, the Movie World employee, if he is right, may have included any pre-ride segments of the ride (excluding the queue). For example, the old 'studio tour' prior to actually riding Looney Tunes River Ride & the pre-ride segments inside Wayne Manor/the Batcave in Batman Adventure - The Ride 2. The sound stage I referred to 6 days ago would be a highly likely place for a pre-ride segment to occur if that is what the sound stage is for. If the ride duration only included the roller coaster portion (I don't know if this has been done before anywhere in the world) but could this be the world's first rollercoaster built to accommodate virtual reality rather than just adding virtual reality to old rollercoasters? For example, maybe after the rollercoaster begins, you enter a separate room (assuming it is part of a sound stage) where the rollercoaster stops (or at least rolls along very slowly) as the virtual reality headset plays a special video before the main track segments of the rollercoaster begin such as a lift hill/launch/drop. A special virtual reality video with the rollercoaster barely moving at the same time could drag the ride time out for a long time especially as videos are meant to be entertaining (so hence 'time flies'). Again, the only probable issue to this is queue efficiency - there would need to be enough trains running to ensure the queue constantly moves - but hopefully Movie World has got that all sorted. The above may seem unlikely but given Mack Rides is currently the most likely rollercoaster manufacturer, this frequently asked quetsion from VR Coaster's website should be noted: The only way to figure out if Movie World is associated with this is if someone can figure out how many rollercoasters Mack Rides are manufacturing. If 2 are currently scheduled for completion in the timeframe given above & Movie World's one of those, Movie World's rollercoaster could be one of those designed specifically for virtual reality. I'm also curious as to why they are digging on the grass overflow car park too. I don't think there is any photos yet of that or did I miss them?

In my opinion, I don't think that will happen until they build new rides/attractions behind SDSC. Whilst it would provide a new observation area for AA, there is currently nothing else of interest behind SDSC for guests to visit. Until rides/attractions are built, it would be an empty & quiet path. I found LW's Chinatown alley to be an empty/quiet path too - if you were not interested in riding/observing the roller coaster or even visiting LW's shop, you were unlikely to walk down that alley particularly with it's long length - you can't even see the queue entrance from the Chinatown entrance. That's why they probably relocated the entrance to near SE as it is visible from the park entrance, you can see the queue entrance immediately, it's in a very open space & a very interesting site to wander around with so many thrill rides/rollercoasters operating. ^Whilst the theming is great, in my opinion, it isn't an exciting place to walk down Anyway, it is sad to see the Chinatown entrance finally go but better now than never. This is just an idea of mine - not speculation - but I think it would be good if they blocked off the Chinatown alley at it's northern end with the former Chinatown entrance being converted to a Main Street theme (maybe a shop or roaming character photo opportunity site?). The southern end of the Chinatown alley is re-themed to Park Row/Crime Alley while the northern end is connected through to Gotham City Cafe, which has it's Gotham City Hall facade pushed back against the SE sound stages and the entire site renovated so it also acts as a 2nd (or maybe even the) major entrance to AA. This makes the entire area from Gotham City Cafe to AA entirely Batman-themed. I don't know well the storyline of AA so can't say for sure if the storyline can be implemented down the alley through to Gotham City Cafe but even if it doesn't follow the storyline, my idea would allow for consistent Batman theming at a minimum.

True. I saw this photo of Funnel Web's safety sign a few weeks ago and after just looking at it again, I think people with epilepsy would be no problem for the Park (even though it is unfortunate) as people with epilepsy are already not even allowed to ride Funnel Web at least. This might mean enclosed waterslides are universally off limits to people with epilepsy due to either the ride's speed, the transition from dark to light or if included, the little holes they insert in the enclosed sections that let a little bit of light in. Maybe a combination of those factors might be the reason they are not allowed to ride too:

@Tim Dasco, that's good. I thought I'd just mention about my park map post anyway in case anyone else thought I was referring to both internal & external theming. I thought people with epilepsy would be a problem but then again, all theme park rides have safety signs stating what medical conditions could have an effect on public safety, a person's current health state & the enjoyment of the ride for all participants. Adding epilepsy to the list of medical conditions for The Perfect Storm probably would make it no different to other rides. In the end, I think Jamberoo could just turn off any strobe lights if someone with epilepsy wanted to ride it.

@Tim Dasco, in case you didn't know, Jamberoo has confirmed lights will be inside The Perfect Storm: We just don't know what type of lights yet but I'm expecting (and hoping for) white strobe lights too. Also, I should have been more specific in my park map post - I was referring to external theming only.

By the way, here is the source of the park map image from my previous post. Also, I just noticed this on Jamberoo's day lockers webpage: Simply, powerboards now feature within the Bombora Pavilion lockers for paying guests' use. I'm unsure but is this new for theme parks (at least in Australia)?

2) I thought it already was? 6) Whilst Daily Planet is very Superman-related, if the white studio wall was better being painted, I think it should be themed to a hilly landscape so it looks like Superman pushed the subway train out of the ground. 7) They would only need to add a 'subway' sign to make that happen but it would look out of place with the Superman logo signs which is necessary for guests to know where the ride entrance is.

I don't know if anyone noticed but as you all know, Village Roadshow built a new sound stage as part of the Studios for the Commonwealth Games but did anyone noticed this other development application for another sound stage that was approved in March? Could this be a new sound stage for a dark ride component of the new roller coaster? Or is it for another new ride? Or is it actually another sound stage for the Studios or for other miscellaneous uses by either the Studios or MW? I had to do a bit of research to make sure I wasn't been confused with the Commonwealth Games sound stage especially as there seems to be no room at the roller coaster construction site for a new sound stage unless it is small, built into the Justice League: Alien Invasion 3D ride sound stage or the swamp gets filled in like how @mba2012 suggests is occurring as we speak. But after finding separate development applications & confirming the Commonwealth Games sound stage was nearly fully built around the time this new sound stage development application was submitted for approval, I'm very confident it is for a newer sound stage but for what purpose and where?

Since most of the boxes/X's are going through the walls on an angle into Main Street Emporium/Surf Central, why would they be retail gondolas or Lego theming unless they are being built into the wall and can be seen from within other stores? (I know they are indicative but why draw them on an angle through a wall?) Like I said before, there are more of them in Main Street Emporium's part of the plans - 1 box with 2 X's in it and another box with what seems like as just a dot. There is a chance they refer to something that already exists. If they were retail gondolas, wouldn't existing ones in Main Street Emporium line up with the ones in the plans? And also note that they are none located completely in Surf Central. I can't remember much of Surf Central but I'm sure they would have at least 1 set of retail gondolas. I still feel they are referring to something else associated with the ceiling as it is a double storey building but I'm not fully confident that I am right in that regard.

I originally thought the boxes/X's are to do with the entry/exit system but after seeing more them located in Main Street Emporium's part of the plans, I assume they are just drawn on the plans for some unknown/unexpected reason. That reason could be anything - maybe it is something to do with the ceiling?

Thanks @Richard for that photo - it is actually a different (but similar and better) photo to the one I posted. I noticed the Lego construction worker statue next to the people in the photo has the words 'Lego City' written on it. Whilst it is a theme of a Lego building set, would 'Lego City' possibly be the name of the "stand-alone precinct" too? I read it exactly the same way as you @reanimated35 but I'm unsure if it says "mall" or "hall". Either way, we know what the word is supposed to describe. This makes me confident that most of my 1st guess (and alas, the eastern side of my 2nd guess) is correct - just still unsure if the brown part of my 1st guess that I described as "Part of Lego Store" is actually that (and in the 2nd guess, whether the walkway continues into a curve heading north).

Also found this image from DW's Lego Store webpage: Here is the other angle that you want: From what we can see of the plans, I took 2 guesses based on that little part of the plans that are visible. The 1st guess is if those little bit of the plans are of the eastern end of the construction site. The construction fencing is in red. I left the rest of the construction site blank for this guess as I thought there were too many possibilities based on that angle: The 2nd guess is if those little bit of plans are of the western end of the original Market Place site. This one I thought was easier to figure out using Market Place's original floor layout as a starting point. I coloured the building/shop fitout edges in both the above & below images to give an idea of possible colour schemes for the areas. I also made a guess of the design/colour scheme of the pathways external to the park/Market Place buildings. All other flooring is coloured based on the colours seen in the plans (apart from the 'Dreamworld Staff Only Area', which I just chose to symbolise inaccessibility): This is highly likely to be coincidental but the Lego Store location I guessed in the above image, according to Google Maps, is approximately 350 square metres in size just like DW has stated as the size of the store: Given they said it is going to be a "stand-alone precinct", that is why I added a 'Lego Plaza'. It would make it more appealing to non-park visitors (if any). I also imagined the eastern entrance of the Lego Store in my 2nd guess would only be accessible to DW visitors somehow by using their tickets (i.e. barcode scanning, ticket barriers etc. or something similar to the WWW/DW dual entrance) allowing them to enter the store that way or instead, they could just walk through the new Market Place/new separate main exit to access the Lego Store from the outside. Given that Market Place lost it's charm in it's later years (particularly due to the numerous stores now in DW), I think my 2nd guess design allows guests, on their exit of the park, to bypass Market Place via the new main exit if they desire while giving the whole Market Place building a reason to enter through the new attraction that is the Lego Store. What @Ashley said below also applies for Showbag Alley hence why I also included it in my 2nd guess above: These are just guesses remember based on a small part of plans DW has kind of revealed (unless DW are possibly doing red herrings too?). I'd be interested in hearing what other forum members think of my guesses (particularly my 2nd guess) though I think there is a good chance I'd be wrong as I'm guessing on so little information. I also don't remember well how big Main Street Emporium/Kodak Express/Surf Central is so if I'm wrong in my guesses, just let me know. In the end, these guesses are just a bit of fun as part of the speculation.