DaptoFunlandGuy

IT'S. AN. AUSTRALIAN. REQUIREMENT. I think, if I remember correctly, we learned something about this when Buzzsaw had to be retrofitted to be compliant after a risk was found with the buzz restraints. Essentially part of the restraint failed, and there was lots of talk about 'safety layers'. Something about needing a redundant restraint locking device that did not rely on the same equipment - ie - you can't use a secondary hydraulic cylinder as a backup to your primary hydraulic cylinder, as there is a risk, however minimal, that if one fails, they both do. The easiest solution to this problem was a seatbelt. And also different jurisdiction. When are you going to get it through your head that Australia has different rules and regulations in place and not everything they do overseas can be replicated here? Just one more time - NO. THEY. AREN'T. Unfortunately organisations that provide these documents don't provide them for free, and the average joe who isn't building amusement devices isn't going to fork out $249 to satisfy curiosity. If anyone has a copy, (i'm assuming section 2.8 would be the relevant section here) feel free to post it. It was initially permitted, you're not mistaken. Either someone didn't read the manual correctly and it was pointed out later, or a later audit \ review identified it as an issue and the procedure changed. I mean - that pretty much proves you aren't reading the replies in this thread: Lap bar has to be checked push\pull before seatbelt is secured? Yes you can. Both apply forces to the human body that risk ejection from the ride if the restraint is not properly fitted, and locked. Ironically Tyre Sampson could still be alive today if his harness was fitted with a supplemental seatbelt (even if it were made longer to suit his harness size).

Two different parks - MW and DW - both have a mack coaster, both have seatbelts, which aren't seen on overseas versions of the rides - and both require the operator to do up the seatbelt, regardless of RFID. Do you think Daddy Dreamworld and Daddy Movie World got together and said "this will really piss off @Dean Barnett" ?? Or do we think some external compliance requirement has forced them to have seatbelts, and required the operator to do it up?

undoubtedly, that is the case, but didn't we conclude the track would turn the train around several times?

Interesting that they've got two different coloured trains too. We haven't seen that since Lethal Weapon's Red\Blue trains became "purple".

We've been on this merry-go-round with you before. if you're too dense to retain the information explained to you 1000 times before, i'm not sure what hope you have left. The RFID has to be scanned within a time limit after the seatbelt is plugged in. This means the operator has to be present at the time the supplemental restraint is attached. This provides the console operator, and the park, with assurance that the restraint is closed and locked correctly and has been checked before dispatch. They aren't widely used in parks overseas but neither are supplemental restraints (seatbelts), which is what the RFID touch is checking for - so obviously they aren't required on most parks overseas if they don't have seatbelts... 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

It's not about productivity. I really don't understand how you're still beating this dead horse? People are fine with closures in off season, it happens. The issue is closures in off season is normally 2, but max 3 majors at a time. Not SIX. This is like going to timezone, loading up a 2 hour unlimited game card and then finding out that all they have is whack a mole and ski ball. It doesn't matter that it's midweek outside of school holidays. This is going to KFC and they tell you they're out of chicken after you order and pay for your meal. It doesn't matter that its 11am on a wednesday This is going to the Cinema to see Sound Of Music, but all the songs have been edited out. It doesn't matter that its cheap tuesday's morning session This is having a round of golf, but 12 holes on the course are closed for groundworks. It doesn't matter that it's cricket season. How many others can the rest of the forum come up with to try and explain this to you? It's a poor offering. All of the recent google reviews on the park are demonstrating the park is not meeting a minimum expectation. It's not acceptable, and you should feel bad for trying to excuse the poor experience as "those people who were disappointed should have known that they'd have over 70% of their rides down for maintenance"

There's something I want to highlight here - You complain the park is price gouging. You admit every corporation does the same thing. You agree the competition does it, but is not as blatant. Everything seems like an upcharge Prices are up offerings are down Every time you go to MW you feel ripped off. There's a very simple solution - STOP GOING TO MOVIEWORLD. At this point i've been saying this for years I might as well set up a recording. So long as people keep lining up to give them money, there is no motivation for them to change their practices. They keep monetising things because those things make a profit. Dreamworld "isn't as blatant" because they're trying to win people back. They need to offer people a reason to visit and see that they've changed and their best option is to be cheaper than the other guy. (but they do still need to make money, it's not a charity). We all knew, when BGH bought into the business, that things were going to change. They were going to cut costs, and increase profits. They need to turn the balance sheet around to make the business more valuable than what they paid for it, and then they want to sell it to make a profit on their purchase price. They're an investment capital business, not a theme park business, and it was always going to happen this way. They are doing whatever makes money. But if you stop paying them... if they stop making money... if the value of the brand, or the business goes down, they will need to change how they do business to improve the reputation, or... eat the loss. The very simple solution to fix all of the bad things happening at the park right now is.... JUST DON'T GO. STOP GIVING THEM MONEY. VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET.

The gates are already open and the grouped guests are already inside the airgates, on the other side dealing with loose articles. that doesn't show the train being unloaded, or where the last trainload of other guests are. It doesn't show how many staff are working the ride, or what conditions they are working under. The seats do not have a redundant failsafe (seatbelt) nor are they RFID confirmed by the operator either. There are so many things in this video that just cannot be achieved here. Could our operations be faster? Of course they could. But pointing to foreign parks as a standard is not the way of it and HOW DO YOU STILL NOT UNDERSTAND THIS?

You still have no idea how much work ops crew have to do, and think they should get more tasks to do than they already have. The person who would need to do that is also regularly the grouper \ fast track checker. Go back and read the TRRR coronial inquest and see the criticism laid at the feet of the park for giving the operators so many other tasks to do that they couldn't concentrate on safety factors. Amusingly - Electric Eel is the one ride I had major anxiety over my items. I saw the operator leave the tray of our belongings at the ride exit, fully accessible by guests still waiting at the exit for their friends to get off the ride. I bee-lined it for that tray to make sure I got my phone back, and I remember thinking what a stupid system it was at the time. There it is. Things are fine for you, therefore it must never cause issues or be a problem for anyone else. As i've already said, times have changed, and SE is coming up on its 20 year anniversary. The locker system is outdated, and honestly - it costs them an extra staff member at the front to ensure loose items don't enter the queue (with a second staff member manning the lockers in busy periods too). A complete redesign wouldn't be that expensive, and would save on staffing costs. Maybe once Oz opens up, they'll do something about it ?

Oh, I see what you mean now - so you're referring to a period prior to the large swathe of current closures, which, judging by how long ago it was, potentially was in the middle of the easter period, where most rides currently closed were in fact open? The person spent their day at the park without making any effort to speak to someone in guest services, and only after they left, did they appear to email the park to complain. On an unrelated note, I can't wait to go to the cinema, watch the entire movie, go home, and then email them to ask for a refund because in hindsight, I didn't like what the movie was about. If you're looking for evidence of their refund policy in reviews, you won't find it. Usually because the people who request a refund don't slag the company off on review sites. Even if the park does offer some sort of compensation, it will be done behind closed doors - they'll PM the person and make it right privately because if they post publicly what they offer someone, it tends to have a steamroll effect. The company has a 'no refund' policy on their website, however that is essentially for change of mind \ matters beyond control of the park such as weather. If a person has purchased tickets based on the marketing of "over xx shows, rides and attractions...." and arrives to 70% of the park closed, thats a fundamental change to the service you signed up for. And the park knows their obligations under ACL. If we apply the above to the services offered by the park, a remedy is available under ACL. Businesses won't advertise this, and you should know your consumer rights well. The park might argue that you saw the sign out the front and chose to enter, but the sign out front doesn't always show every closure, given maintenance may not have finished morning checks when you've lined up. But if you enter the park, wander around for an hour or two and realise just how much is wrong - and you go to guest services to raise the issue - you will be entitled to a remedy under ACL. If a refund is what you want, then you should stand firm on that and specify that's what you want, and why. Emphasise what you wanted to do when you visited and why that isn't possible. If you come out 30-40 minutes into a movie and complain to the manager that something is wrong with the film, they will generally refund you. But you do not watch the movie all the way to the end credits, go home and then email the cinema the next day asking for your money back. I stand by my original assessment - you're making a big assumption.

So, they do it - and then you come back here complaining about how inefficient it is? Might as well put in some turnstiles while they're at it, yeah?

Don't forget your internationals. But here's the problem. The park trades 363 days a year. Thats their choice. They charge over $100 for entry, only to have more than 65% of the park's adult-suitable attractions closed (and more than 30% of the kids rides down too). You're making excuses for them because 'this is normal for this time of year' but it demonstrably ISN'T and you're even doubling down now, saying if everything is open by next holidays, then everything is ok? No, that just isn't acceptable. We've heard from a former Ops crew how they'd aim for two rides down at a time, three at the most, AND AVOIDED WHEREVER POSSIBLE. This is DOUBLE THAT. Probably don't want to give Dreamworld an open invitation to make bank on the weekday visitation. You know, cut your nose to spite your face kind of business. And they've just closed Showcase, which was run by Ops crew too, so another 'alternate' position has been lost on the roster too. It's not always that easy. Not all staff are trained on all things. Some rotations are completely offline. You don't have anywhere to send some of those staff because all the positions they're trained in are closed. And some staff who might have been trained haven't done it for so long they 'lose' the ride and have to be retrained. And this will slow down ops even further.

You say this like anyone is surprised. most announced attractions over the past 5-7 years have missed their targeted opening date. Nobody is shocked, but at least the park has been actively responding to people asking on socials that they're nearly there. Like its a shock that any ride opening has a hiccup. SMH.

oh fuck off. You're the first one to come on here and complain about how slow operations are, and how much faster they could be if they just copied *insert overseas park \ ride example here* with complete disregard for whatever possible regional differences in law and compliance they may be impacted by, and then in the next breath make suggestions that would demonstrably slow down operations even further. I've been on Electric Eel and that station is PACKED with staff. The park has more than double the annual attendance and a comparable ticket price, and lower wages make it easier to staff operations positions. Go back to spinning your little turnstile.

Thats a big presumption on your part. My guess is anyone going into guest relations is going to get a free return ticket, and if they're out of town and unlikely to return, begrudgingly a refund would be issued. Passholders on the other hand don't really have any way to argue given the value and length of validity.

Whoa, slow down, let's not be too hasty. I think its worth pointing out that Village Roadshow have updated their website the day something closed to reflect it - they don't always do that... (this screenshot taken this morning)

Let me get this straight - major rides are having rides built right next door, or within them, every winter? No. I'm sorry, but when your headlining (only) attractions are Roxy, Green Lantern and Justice League - you probably shouldn't be open.

I repeat my original statement.

We've played concept art vs reality before. See also Leviathan, Trident. So its a fine assumption, but hope is all we have right now...

You reckon Dreamworld is gonna pay for admission to Sea World or Movie World as part of the deal?

God I hope they cover the building up with themeing or some foliage rather than just paint it. We all thought the TOT building stood out like a sore thumb... this box is huge!

DCR's boxes don't rotate when they're only running one train. And they almost never run 2. Exiting people to the wrong side just to collect loose items delays the advancement of the train into the load station. it would only serve to cripple cycle times even further. Trains can't launch until the unload station is clear and this would massively inflate the amount of time the train would spend in Unload. SE is coming up on its 20 year anniversary, and they have changed the TVs in the queue recently. I feel as though they haven't forgotten about the ride, and given its proximity to Oz, the queue systems of 2005 are a little antiquated. SE was built in a time when most people didn't live on their phones - Smart phones were virtually non existent or stupidly expensive. It wouldn't be until 2007 that the first iphone was released... The park has been sprucing up a lot of things of late (no doubt BGH wants to go to market once Oz is at the top of the Hype lift hill), maybe SE does have something in the wings to improve and modernise this?

Check out the full application details here I've skimmed some of the documents really quickly this morning and a couple takeaways: The main DA Form 1 references them as Ardent leisure, not Coast (though documents are from last year so depending on when the change occurred, that's probably in line with the submissions) Looking at the plans, there are 3 current lots - in a nutshell, it looks like they just want to re-draw the boundaries of each lot. They have land available on the north side of Oakey Creek which isn't entirely practical for them to expand the theme park on. The new boundaries would create 3 new lots, basically defining the carpark (and the former BB studios) as Lot 1, the theme parks as lot 2 (including the Oakey Creek easement all the way to foxwell road), and turning the land that is on the north side of Oakey creek, adjacent to the old Big Brother site into Lot 3. The application includes a MCU (material change of use). I haven't read through it all but I am assuming the MCU relates to the town centre transition precinct as it wouldn't be theme park \ tourism use, whereas I believe the current lots are. It also enables the road connectivity planned out for the Coomera Activity Centre to flow seamlessly into the connector roads.

How about a GP motorbike coaster in Rivertown, or a bunch of motorsport \ car themed attractions in 'Ocean Parade' ? The building facade may fit the ride, but it doesn't fit the surrounds, the land, or the park Not everything a park spends its money on should drive more guest visitation on billboards. Sometimes, it's just to enhance the park, and make it a more pleasant experience for the guests who have already paid to get in. I can assure you its way more than just a couple of thoosies. The main reason Emporium got a repaint was not because it was due (ie, not run down), or because of a "licencing thing". It got a repaint because it was ghastly, and did not match the theme of the area. It has been restored to more traditional 'main street' colour scheme so that it compliments the surrounding areas... sound familiar?

The expression goes - any publicity is good publicity - but not unfortunately in the enthusiast world. (I would just point out to the Village fanboys out there - look! people are talking poorly about something Dreamworld did, take note for the next time you all claim its a village pile-on!)