DaptoFunlandGuy

Very well said and diplomatic as always Richard. I agree and support you 100% on that. That some childish immature member(s) continuously want to start an argument with everyone, just because they have had a disagreement with you is just ridiculous. I recall a time when Daniel had a fallout with yourself. He made one public post, calling you numerous things under the sun, and then left. More recently he returned and is at least reasonably behaving himself. Coexistence is again possible. The current group of members that appear to be forwarding this movement are those who were either unable to follow the community guidelines, initiated a public attack on a well respected member or members of this site, or had a direct disagreeance with you. Regardless, I think it would be more appropriate to be using a harsher penalty on those members of R-C.com.au who choose to repeatedly violate the guidelines, or openly cause disharmony within the forums. You have spoken before of banning, IP blocking etc. I think now is an appropriate time to start considering those options as a permanent solution. Those are my comments and suggestions. Alex.

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well, facades and the like are always useful. They could always move really slowly, and have a winch that slowly ramps up so that its not a sudden jolt, but a gentle floating glide that one does not feel. Look at Giant Drop.... the last part of the lift, you almost feel like you're not moving.... same principle?

i think a fairer and closer comparison would be scooby and space mountain... (anaheim)

I myself have done California, although it was exactly 9 years ago today. A lot of the parks have added new things, especially big coasters, since I was there. We stayed at Best Western Pavillions on Katella Avenue. This was about a block from Disneyland, they provided their own bus which shuttled to and from disneyland every half hour, and came included in the hotel price. we had a five day disneyland pass (DCA wasn't there then) and we managed to spend 4 days at Disneyland without getting bored. this was quiet season (february is pretty cold), and the only thing closed was the matterhorn. In Disneyland we did pretty much all the big stuff on the first day - space and splash mountain, the haunted mansion, the paddlewheeler and tom sawyer island, small world and a few others, and then came back and systematically went through the whole park, land by land. i think we did about two or three lands per day, covering them from start to finish, repeating our favourite rides. on the last day we came back to what we enjoyed most - (splash, space, and haunted were our favourites). I could honestly spend 7 days in Disneyland without running out of things to do, but if you rush it through you could cover it all in a little over 1 and a half days. Spending any less than 3 days between disneyland and DCA is cheating yourself of an experience. We did Knotts, wayyy before a lot of their new stuff came in... Montezooma was awesome, and we were surprised to see Boomerang, as it was a clone of Demon at WLS (we weren't very aware of the mass production of that particular model at the time). Knotts is great for food as well, the chicken dinners are brilliant, and (if it still runs) go and see the indian storytelling... its an indoor show with light and smoke and all the rest, and its absolutely amazing. We did Sea World San Diego, which was very enjoyable, but having previously been to Sea World G.C., the only real attraction for us was Shamu. They do have a few rides but nothing to write home about, and its not worth the trip down to sandiego unless you're really into marine life. We also took the trip to Magic Mountain, and for people who at the time were not HEAVILY into the industry of theme parks, we found it amazing. the best they had at the time was Ninja, Viper and Goliath, all three of which are well worth the trip there in their own special way (im not sure if one or all of them are still standing), but Viper and Goliath are just intense. We also did Universal as well, but i would liken it very closely to WBMW in most respects. We had our entire trip arranged by Qantas holidays, and all of our day trips were handled by (i think) Pacific Coast buslines (big blue buses, im pretty sure thats right). I cannot recall the prices for the buses, but we had to arrange to go to SFMM separately, as it was the only park not on our itinerary. Pacific Coast were able to arrange this for us and it was pretty cheap in the scheme of things. Rather than public buses or taxis, they can be worth checking out as it can work out cheaper, better time-saving wise, and they'll pick you up from your hotel, rather than you have to get to a bus stop.

Ok still no response on this one, does anyone know anything about it?

Dont tell him not to feel like an idiot. regardless of whether he was correct about this or not, he is still a complete idiot. put it this way...in comparison Adam, you're a nice guy...

Adam, I'm going to concede something to you - you may be right. In considering this though, I have put the two explainations into detail. I would like your thoughts on it. Option 1) the wheels continue to turn, and stop as the car is dead on top of them. for arguments sake, lets say the car is 1.5 metres long, and so are the brake sections. For 1.5 metres that the car is crossing the brake panel, the wheels are applying an accelerating force (by continuing to turn) to the vehicle. At the last moment, as the front of the car reaches the front of the tyre drive, it triggers a sensor, which stops the wheels dead. Now let me ask you - ever see a car on the road accelerating, and then jam on the brakes? what happens? it skids. it doesnt stop immediately. There would be a small amount of slip before the tyres "grabbed" the car. this would also be affected, as you said before, by the cars wearing the rubber tread off the tyres. eventually, the cars would slip further and further across the catch point as the tread wore down. Also, allowing the vehicle to cross the full length of the catch point would mean there would be only 1.5 metres of acceleration to get the car moving again (explained below) Option 2: Wheels ahead of the cars are stopped. they are effectively a rubber stopper. The vehicle has an assumed amount of acceleration (force) and as it contacts the first tyre, this force begins to dissipate through friction with the rubber tyre. Using the same 1.5 metre measurement, this then gives the tyre drive 3 metres of acceleration (from the beginning of the tyre drive pushing the front of the car to the end of the tyre drive pushing the rear of the car) and thus allows the vehicle to continue on with more speed, with less effort, and reduce the amount of tyre drives required in the ghost train section of the track. Now please read both options a couple of times, until you digest it, before you respond. Then give me your thoughts. I am no student of engineering or physics, but it seems logical to me that version 2 is the correct one. And if you will forgive me for saying so, these forums are notorious for members posting the knowledge or advice of a maintenance employee at a theme park, only to discover they were either lying, joking, or just completely stupid.

WWF is not something i'd classify as outdoors for the purpose of the argument. It is partially indoors, and is well themed, not a flatbed truck style ride like the claw. (note - i said STYLE. I am not saying that the claw is a carnie truck ride.)

my sister has a video of herself on flycoaster. its done on the ground, by one of the operators, and its hilarious to watch. she has pulled it out on a number of occasions to show friends and family, and its a very popular 3 minute video. To be able to get a video of yourself on a ride, and take it home to show the family and friends who didn't go with them, would be worthwhile. I am pretty sure this would be something that would sell. you're not just getting a photo of yourself on a ride (for instance, since Dreamworld removed the "fake overlay" off the thunder river rapids, its a very crappy picture), you're capturing every moment of your ride, from the anticipation sitting in the station, to the anxiousness as you climb the lift hill (or the soiled-underwear look of flying out of the station on a launch) to the terror of the first drop, and the laughing and swaying of the rest of the coaster, it captures ALL of it. i just had another thought with this - self service kiosks - touch screens (like they have for digital cameras at kodak and the like) where you enter in a reference number you get when you get off the ride, locate your file, and can fully customise your DVD, without the need for a cast member to do it for you. like a 5 minute passport photo booth, you could select the information you want, customise it how you like it, and have the machine spit out a disc in a few minutes, or give you a ticket to present at the exit gate, where you can pick it up at blah blah time, and pay there. a vending machine, or a kiosk, it would work either way and not cost as much as employing staff to run it...

you got it... Gazza is correct, and I can verify this by my own eyes on previous trips on Scooby Doo. (infra red cameras are a wonderful thing). The tyre devices do in fact stop working if the block ahead is not clear. you can see this at the station too, with the first few tyre sections in front of the loading zone. when an operator presses despatch, they all ramp up and begin spinning. Once a car has cleared it, they stop until such time as the next car is ready for despatch. Adam, you are correct in saying that there would be a bit of wear on the tyre drive systems. essentially, it is the same with a fin brake as well. the best way to stop a moving object is with friction, be it a fin between two brake pads, or a tyre against the undercarriage of the scooby cars (im assuming the cars have some sort of flat steel plate where the tyre drives would contact). Yes the tyres would wear out, but this is checked daily, and WBMW maintenance would have their minimum standards on it, and of course there would be failsafes in place, especially in regards to the tyre drive directly before the elevator, but the wheels do not move unless the block (next tyre drive) has been cleared as well. As I said before, there should be about 30 metres minimum between each car. Any rider who looks will see the small PLC devices (in the laser room its easy to spot, a small black box with a brightly glowing green LED light), and they are spaced at 30 metres or less around the track. Heres a little diagram of a blocking system and how it would work

with the exception of LT Village, how many flat rides does WBMW have? Precisely. I think its a good idea, but outdoor flat rides ruin the facade that MW is trying to build... every ride they have is enclosed in some manner, with the exception of the reasonably well themed coasters lethal and road runner. nothing else is outdoors...

I am curious as the the nature of the attraction at Disneyland known as the Tiki Tiki Tiki Room. Has anyone got photos of this attraction? I understand its some sort of Audio Animatronic performance... but what is it about? Any info, pics etc would be helpful.

Finally it has broken through. Yes, I have one - there are 18 cars on the ride. The track length is over half a kilometre long, and takes over 4 minutes to complete a circuit. While we see the ride itself, there would be numerous "back of house" areas that we don't see. Your theory suggests that the eyes are the fire detectors. I've already told you they are nothing but low volt lasers, but if you persist in disagreeing, then heres another reason - the eyes can only detect straight ahead. this means that it would not detect a fire just around the corner until it had come completely through the corner. this is dangerous... then, without a motor on board, which you have already conceded, it is incapable of reversing. you got yourself four crispy guests. What is more likely is a static in house fire safety system equipped with smoke detection and thermal monitoring, and fire sprinklers or foamers (as discussed previously). In the event of a fire, all cars are stopped at the first available block brake to be evacuated, while the sprinkler foamer safety system begins smothering the fire. I mean . . . seriously if there isn't a car in the vicinity of a fire when it occurs, the fire can flare up before it is detected. In a perfect world the cars are separated by 30 metres.... now realistically, with delays locking lap bars and other things, it could be more or less. so there are big gaps in the ride... if your on-board fire safety "eyes" aren't withing 10 metres or so, its not going to pick it up, and if its not directly ahead..... its not going to pick it up... simple eh? look harder. he is having a serious lend of you. I think its safe to say that a fire sprinkler or foamer is a great idea after what happened in luna park. on board detection systems are just ridiculous. what if the radio link between the car and control was lost? it would detect the fire, and stop, but nobody would know it had stopped except by looking at the block system, and in the mean time, 4 crispy guests... Yes, you have.

hussy i think we could have linked them as attachments rather than explode the screen beyond a 1024x768 size to have them embedded in the actual post..... but it looks good mate, well done.

Joz, I'm cool mate, im just getting seriously annoyed with the crap that comes from this guy. Adam - as far as the contact terminals on the car, and a power supply, the "eyes" in the car are not LED's, nor are they Infrared Sensors. I might not be a ride operator on Scooby, but I have made lighting design a passion of mine, just ask flea or rappa. The "Eyes" are low-volt lasers. this can be noticed mostly in the laser room itself. they are not powerful enough to throw a long beam, but the "eyes" do cast a beam of laser light. look directly into the eyes to see what I mean (not recommended if you value your sight, however low doses should not be harmful) The contacts, naturally would be the interface between the operators "lockunlock lapbars" buttons and the car. Adam, I seriously think this friend of yours was having a lend of you. The majority of the ride is gravity driven, and what isnt gravity driven has tyre-propelled accelerators. there is no reason for the cars to have any motorised system. I claim to be no expert, but this discussion, now spanned across two separate threads, has you contradicting yourself over and over again. I am offering an explaination of Logic, Common Sense, and reasonably based assumption of parts where it is a given that it would be so. The fact that you will accept no information from anyone who would be reasonably in the know (Richard for example), just because they do not OPERATE the ride is ridiculous. To be honest, in the time I have been a member of this site, I have NEVER known Richard to be wrong about a park he is experienced with. You say you want to debate.... then be open to reasonable comment, rather than quashing any argument that contradicts your own.

Where on earth did the other scooby thread get off to where Adam was swearing blue in the face that they had infrared fire sensors on the cars, and the cars would reverse and all the rest? Rich, is it possible to place a user on a limited amount of created threads per week? Adam's going for a record.... Edit: Ahh - just found this little tidbit in my mailbox... Feeling too much like a fool Adam? Why don't you want the info on the net? Let me tell you my neurologically challenged ... associate... Some of the people on here are the best non-employee Amusement minds in Australia... and overseas, AND throw in a few employees into the bargain. The situation you suggested for Scooby is not only ludicrous, too expensive to WBMW's Budget, and a little unreliable and unpredictable in the event of an emergency, but its also stupid. If you have a theory, post it as such, don't crap on about how "your source" told you that this is how it is. YOU'RE WRONG... simple. If the cars were motor driven, then there would not be tyre-tread accelerators and brakes in the first part of the ride. There would be just a little sensor to instruct the motor to stop. now stop wasting our time with crap.

A very good report bigglesworth. I agree with pretty much every point. Putting two trains on cyclone has been discussed on these forums before, with the general concensus being that it would not be feasible. there is really nowhere they can "shunt off" the second train in the event they want single train operation for maintenance or whatever. theres no room for an "out of station" brakehouse either... so yeah... Everything else is pretty much what I have come to expect from dreamworld... in summary - ToT was great but broke down too much Cyclone queue sucks and the ride is average Mine Train queue is just wayyy too long Rapids are good Log Ride is just a flume and upkeep and vandalism and general "appearance" maintenance just isnt being done by dreamworld. i guess they think we just don't care if it looks fresh or not so long as we puke at the end... (oh, and i'll say it before Rich does, try to watch your spelling on your posts, and refer to the community guidelines)

I would assume that the Laser Room would not be foam though, the room is too big for foam to adequately prevent a fire. As for you Adam, where you got this information is very important, because to be quite honest, it sounds like a bunch of crap that you're making up to start a conversation, so give us your source! Ok, then why did you ask the question? It does matter where you got the info. If a person by the name of Nightshifter, wearing a Jamie Oliver T-Shirt gave you the info..... THAT is a problem. So - where is your source? because i have spent the last day or so searching the net trying to find anything on scooby's safety systems. I have turned up the company that does the lasers and lighting show, info on the cast and crew that made the movie, and how they were involved in the construction of the ride.... but there is not a single whisper about two independant safety systems. It appears that your oh-so-holiness knows more about the ride than anyone else here, so there is no need for you to ask...

After a little more research, I have been unable to turn up any information on the safety systems of SDSC. I have however turned up a not so relevant piece of information on scooby doo spooky coaster... one with Richard's name in it yet again (from laservision, and describing Rich as "a MovieWorld Patron") lol. http://www.laservision.com.au/pdf/scooby%20doo.pdf

I would assume, with absolutely no factual knowledge of the safety systems themselves, that if the E-Stop button is pressed by an operator, then the systems throughout the ride would be able to signal all of the cars to stop, rather than allow them to continue, at the first available point. The last thing you would want is to have a fire of some description at the bottom of the laser room. While I was not aware that the cars had their own propulsion system, I doubt the units, carrying electric motors, would be able to push what would easily be at least 400kg worth of metal and passengers backwards through those drops. The safest thing for this ride would be for each ride to stop either immediately or at the next available brake run (for the sections where brake runs control entry into the next element). For a car to continue on unless it detects danger ahead is pretty stupid. Eventually, a brake run would fill up where danger HAS been detected, and cars zooming down the drops behind them would not be able to stop in time (kinetic energy.. look it up). The entire track is segregated, computer controlled, and video monitored. If an operator presses E-Stop, the cars had better bloody well stop there and then. with so many cars on the track, allowing them to continue can only compound the problem. Imagine if emergency services are trying to get to an injured passenger, and there are 17 other cars banked up behind them, all watching every gory detail? ut uh... nope sorry. So guests get stopped in areas not directly associated with emergency exits... if there is danger, they will be the first people attended to. if there isn't... they can happily wait in their cars, until the immediate danger has passed, or until maintenance is able to restart the ride safely. at that point, the brakes release, and the car continues to the station where the passengers may disembark safely and with minimal effort. Again I will state, that I was unaware that scooby had any form of motor or braking system on board the car.... where did you get this info adam?

Well, It was very strangely worded, for what you were trying to say, and I can't see Warner Village or Macquarie Leisure ringing you up personally to say "should we spend $xxxx on installing this into our new ride, mr Nebuchanezzar?"... i dont think so. The question you really should be answering Neb, is would you buy the disc, if it was for sale in the park? Im going to add a Poll to this thread... lets see the response we get...

1) you're a damn galah 2) i never said hoover would return to number one. again its not the comparison im making. 3) got news for you mate, hoover floorcare developed the cyclonic technology long before Dyson did, but found it delivered inferior suction, and absolutely no power economy, and tended to overheat the motors if used for long periods, so they designed a bagless unit that did not rely on a cyclone. utilising a unit that had the same suction at a lower wattage was what they felt people wanted. not an overpriced unit that was a "new" technology, just because. i knew you couldn't resist. Also, I never said anything specific about Disney Attractions in my comparisons.... i said DISNEY... overall... complete. READ what it is I am saying, because this is the same way you were when we were specifically debating Disney versus other parks... you are not understanding the point, reading what you feel like reading into each post, and then replying with irrelevance. it is at this point I would dearly love to use an expletive, but to keep within the community guidelines I will refrain. Needless to say a few choice phrases that I have known Daniel to utter would be appropriate here.

Good Point Gazza, and I Agree. I am quite happy to respect another person's culture, and if they request I do not climb on a sacred relic of their history, the same way a japanese person would request I take my shoes off upon entering their house, it is their way, and I would respect it. Having said that, I feel that the current Australian Government is perhaps going a little overboard when it comes to Aboriginal Rights. Im not saying treat them worse than any other cultural group in australia, minority or majority, im saying treat them the same. If we are all equal, why is there Austudy and ABstudy? Why does Centrelink need to know if i consider myself an Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander before they will discuss anything with me? It is the White, Mid-20's to Late-40's Straight non-religious Australian Male who gets shat on these days. everyone else is a member of some minority, be it Youth, Female, homosexual, ethnic or aboriginal, jewish or muslim or whatever... And these days the "equality" is taken so far it is reverse prejudice. The people who used to be the discriminator 30 years ago are now the same group of people who are the discriminated. Good Point Righty... but now it will be the politically correct rollercoaster that runs from coomera to cairo... i'd like to see that...

which you have now said for the third time, yet still you return, and im sure, will return again. I never said anything about financial benefit. I... JUST... WANT... TO ... DRILL... THIS... INTO .... YOUR... THICK... HEAD.... Disney is Disney. When people of older generations went to see a show made by Disney that was animated, they went to the Disney Pictures, not the Cartoons. When people in the UK clean their carpets by means of suction andor rotating brushes, they call it Hoovering. There doesnt have to be a financial benefit to the company you clot. It is the simple brand recognition. Hoover was all there was in Vacuums for so long, and for so long they were the top of the line, that that is what they are called. the comparisons to be made between the two i would have thought would be abundantly clear to all. you are questioning a value of an argument that hasn't even been used. You yourself have just proved the argument. YOU own a Dyson. YOUR parents still call it HOOVERING, even though it is done with a DYSON machine. It doesnt matter that they wouldnt go back to a hoover, that is not the point I am making. Theres 3 brands out there better than a hoover (when compared equally, ability for ability). I might point out that none of the 3 are Dyson, but it DOESNT MATTER. The point is that for so long, Hoover were the ONLY floorcare specialists in the industry, everyone had a hoover, it wasn't vacuuming, it was hoovering. Disney has been around for so long, they are the best, and for a long time were the ONLY people around who did what they did. there are imitators around, who follow disney's example and principal... but they are imitators, not innovators. Disney are Innovators. Now - stick to your 3 previous posts and DONT POST THIS THREAD AGAIN.... go on... you know you're going to hit that reply button... you have to have the last word.... you can't control yourself can you? you have to continue to dig a hole deeper and deeper for yourself to sit in your own mud. We'll see who is right...