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interesting to note, reading that MLE EOFY report that interstate attendance to dreamworld has increased sizeably, and it now almost equals the QLD attendance, as opposed to last year when there was a substantial difference... a bit of a shame that the international tourism market has dropped off a bit. One would think with all the terror going on out there that we would be a plum destination at present, with the lack of any real terrorist threat at this time... Looking at the trend graphic over the last 7 years, the international market seems to be shrinking for DW. anybody got figures on what WVTP's international draw is? <edit:> Although now that I think on it, maybe everyone is afraid of international travel, hence the domestic market increase...? Its nice to see the nick area of the water park will have a tipping bucket. Any waterpark would benefit from this type of attraction. Its also a great way to cool off without having to get in a pool.... eg: when you've just eaten but can't swim yet...

interesting to note - in number 3, that the whole time, every paragraph of the article is plugging and plugging the safety message... just how safe the coasters will be and what measures they are taking to ensure this. they talk of the "pioneering new FIN BRAKING SYSTEM" and so on.... hammering home how safe the coasters will be - "safer than billiards or badminton"... must have been a bit of scare out there during the initial promo time...

it is a good point Joz, but depends on how the rules are set out. If they say no loose items, then theoretically, if using a strap or so on, it isn't loose. If they say no photography or videography on the rides, thats a different story. But if they don't implicitly state it is a safety rule, then it is debatable whether it is covered by OH&S regulations. If I remember correctly, wonderland had "no loose items" but I don't believe they prohibited photography on rides. This is how I came to film my own on-ride POV videos of Beast and Demon. (im slowly editing these, and will make them available in due course.) Yes it could be construed as a safety issue, but this is where "see something, say something" comes into play. Unless somebody identifies that that is a safety risk, and the risk management \ OH&S people step in and say "No Cameras for safety reasons" then I can't see how they're breaking those regulations. For months, the place where I work has had a slow chemical leak on a piece of machinery. Everyone knew about it, and we had MSDS sheets for the treatment of leaks, but it wasn't until one of our bigwigs came in and said "that leak is not acceptable and must be fixed" was it identified as a hazard above and beyond our normal working hazardous areas. Essentially at lower management level, we had looked at it and said "yes, its a low-risk hazard. It will cost $4500 to fix, or $2 a week to contain and mop up. It was not an immediate danger unless somebody started licking it up off the floor, and everyone was aware of it. . . so the regulations on OH&S only come into play if someone has identified the hazard, trained the operators and staff who utilise the area, and advised them it was breaching those regulations...

I don't want to sound too cynical, but how reliable is this information? where is the source? I don't want to sound ungrateful for the information that has been provided, but there has been misleading information posted here in the past, and I usually don't trust info unless it comes from Richard, Joz, Rabid or Slick...

Well Joz, the parks value is a benchmark for macquarie leisure to strive. When they reach a park value of $500Million, they unlock the next level, and move to a bigger park, where they must keep their park rating above 70, and at least 2000 guests in the park per day.

HR is an acronym for Human Resources, a tossed off 90's way of saying recruitment and training. Dugong discovery is an attraction installed after SW rescued a dugong and then made several unsuccessful attempts to return it to the wild... they are both near the front end of the park, with the dugong discovery utilising the old "shark show" theatrette style tank viewing area

I think it is fantastic when a park recognises the skill of their in park photographers, a lot of parks I have been to, the photographer is a retail cast member with a camera in their hand, and it is very rare to find someone in retail who has that ability. The bum of it is of course as a professional publicity photographer, that shot would have made you thousands, whereas as an employee they dont have to pay you any more than normal... I've been there. I used to do the same thing at wonderland and had many of my photos used for publicity shots, including for the channel 7 popstars series, the helitours (which now operate out of Sydney Tower centre, and take off somewhere in sydney) and of course Action Man and Milennium Magic. Its a great feeling to see your photos up on a billboard or in every corner store though, isn't it Ian? My best memory of my park photos is driving down the M4 motorway, on board the Wonderland Express towards the park, and seeing my photos up on a giant billboard on an overpass.... ahhh but enough reminiscing.... Ian - since you took the photo you could confirm, was the logo for SE photoshopped out? or was it just not erected at the time of the photo?

I have not been there recently, so no ground marking knowledge for me. I think something by the carpark is unlikely. there is very little staging room "inside" the park for them to put anything there. Sure it would be great to send the coaster around the carpark, but I dont see them putting anything out that way. The most likely bet that I could say would be for it to be out behind bermuda, either towards corkscrew, and fit the two side by side (which would also keep the thrills together, not to mention minimise stress on the animals, as the corkscrew is already something in that area that animals would be used to) In Google Earth'ing the park, it seems to me to be one of those two places, Nara closes off the north side, Admin etc close off the south side, and most other places are restricted by the need to minimise stress on the animals\minimise impact on the shows. For my money, its going behind (north) of bermuda's showroom, or beside (east) bermuda showroom next to corkscrew. Im bound to be wrong, but thats where my money is.

its also interesting to note that in some of the pictorial advertising done by the large food\confectionery companies, that they show a shot of the WBMW gateway\arch, and SE can be seen in the background, however the blue wall, (See link in Richard's post) where the superman escape logo is, has been completely "blue"d out onto a plain blue wall. At first I thought it might have been just before the signage went up, but on closer inspection, the logo has simply been photoshopped out. I'd say that the desire to distance themselves from the movie because of licensing, confusion, or any other reason is completely un-coincidental, and 100% on purpose for the possible reasons Richard and I have explained above.

coca cola and streets ice cream both had a promotion at one stage or another regarding WBMW and Superman. The tie in was with the release of the movie, and not once did they use the words "superman escape". I think it is possible, since the movie and the ride share a common theme but a different name, that the marketing people do not want to use both titles simultaneously. Box Office "yes, two adults and 4 children to superman escape" Clerk "including airfares, accomodation, entry tickets.... and popcorn... that will be $973" I don't have a marketing degree, but I do have a lot of marketing experience, and that seems to me to be the simplest explaination on why the lack of mention. WBMW is advertising SE heavily in certain markets. Shopping centres, like Macquarie Centre in North Ryde have information kiosks throughout the centre, and footage of the ride surrounds the campaign, but of course, in this case, there is no mention of Superman Returns.

Hey Robb...... I've tried downloading these files several times... and the zips are always saying corrupted. Im using a 1.5Mbit connection and the file is only taking about 15 minutes, but every single one of them is coming up as corrupt.... any ideas?

Sorry Dj, My info came from one of the maintenance workers in electrical. He was a pretty cluey guy so I took it at face value.... oh well.

but in the end it does come down to maintenance, and a poorly maintained coaster will not feel as good. It seems yet again like lethal is overdue for some attention though. When I was there last week, one of the trains was in pieces in the maintenance area, and the other train running has serious cracks and gouges in the wheels. Now a lot of people claim lethal to be rough, but i have never had anything but a smooth ride on it (probably because I am just the right height to avoid headbanging and all the rest) but this coaster, as the day wore on and it got hotter seemed to get rough, and I am sure that the cracked and gouged wheels were responsible for the roughness of her. More attention would be nice.... On the other hand, being that Corkscrew is the only coaster in SW, it would seem like maybe SW maintenance can devote more time and care to it???

OH MY GOD. first off - wiki pedia is a community contributed site. I could contribute something to it stating that Wonderland was set to reopen on the former site of Sydney Harbour. It doesnt mean its true. Space Probe is a Giant Drop attraction, not a space shot. I believe (Correct me if I am wrong) that the mechanics of it are somewhat different. As a side note - Probe was pretty tall, and would have matched GD in DW if it were not for the flight plan over sydney (WLS actually bought 4 tower sections, but due to the fact it was already on the hill, AND directly under the flight path, they only constructed 3 sections of the tower, with the fourth forever rotting in one of the graveyards.) I think it needs to be said (it may have been already but I haven't had a chance to read ALL of this thread) that this is not MW's attempt and copying ToT\GD. This is a completely new attraction, with a completely new type of thrill never felt before. If MW learn from SE, and theme it well, then there is gold in them thar turnstiles.....

After years of entertaining guests from around Australia and the world, Warner Bros Movie World closed its gates for the last time this evening. A turbulent history and a lack of true corporate backing could be held responsible for the closure of this Gold Coast icon, even if the park's management says otherwise. The park always had potential, but often failed to live up to this, with only three major attractions added in the park's history. Many more were removed over the years, particularly towards then end of the park's somewhat shaky history. Reasons cited by management for the closure included, SARS, September 11, Ansett's collapse and a whole host of other scapegoats. The site is to be turned into an industrial area, creating an alleged 9,000 jobs. Homes for the rides is not known at this stage, though all the major rides are expected to be sold, with the park seeking expressions of interests from interested parties. Their fate could be said to rest in the hands of Australia's other theme and amusement parks. Seems a bit far fetched doesnt it? Actually this is a slightly modified version of a news article posted by Richard around the time that Wonderland closed, and for the most part tells Wonderland's story. Most people who saw this article about wonderland in say - early 2003 would have laughed it off as a joke too... Possible for movie world? probably not... but in reading all the comments of low attendance and so on, I kept having flashbacks of the same sort of posts pre-wonderland's announcement of closure.... lol There have been significant job losses at WBMW, however the details and sources of this i cannot post, as I have not asked any permission from those who have informed me. It is sad to see such a world class (Can I use that word about Warner?) Park is resorting to cost cutting measures, which is causing their attractions and their cast to suffer... all the while maintaining a brave face with new attractions across the board. The new attraction soon to enter the atmosphere near SE and Lethal had better come quickly, and it had better be marketed better than SE was, and to a broader range of people, unless we are to see the gold coast go the way of Wonderland... slowly, im sure, but inevitable if the trends continue...

i feel compelled to discuss the points above, even if they aren't directly related to the main topic, so here goes. I recently made my yearly pilgrimage to the gold coast. (pics to come later when i have the time). Now these are isolated incidents, but they are part of the conceptual whole that I have about two two big parks. On my last trip to DW, to ride the Claw, and we experienced 3 instances of queue jumping. claw, cyclone and wipeout. In all three instances we brought this to the attention of the operators or queue masters, and in all three situations, little (if any) effort was made by the dreamworld cast. Last week in WBMW (with Rappa in tow), we rode Scooby, and experienced a group of about 5 people bypass the main (left) queue line, by walking down the right side of the fountain and join the queue at the doorway to the hallway... which coincidentally was only 3 people in front of us. We brought this to the attention of the queue master at the entryway, and she closed the queue off, walked down to where we were, and confronted the group. The group argued with her briefly, before she calmly excused them from the queue and got them to requeue at the back of the queue, which had since grown by another 30 people (big kudos to "lorna" working the queue there - well executed, and what I have come to expect from a Disney park, let alone Warner Village cast). I experienced a similar result on SE later in the day, with the same timely response from the queue master. I have had many instances of queue jumping at both parks in recent years, and always have been very satisfied with MW's response to the issue. I would very much like to see the response echo Wonderland's, where queue jumpers were immediately ejected from the park, but still and all, they are fair and just. Theming wise, MW is letting themselves down. SE is very lacklustre, and as has been said numerous times, a few extra hundred thousand could have topped it off nicely. Coming back to attendance - which is the core issue, we went on a saturday, and one would expect a reasonable amount of people in the park. SE had about a 10 minute queue, scooby as always was closer to 30 minutes, with most others being walk ons, so I can agree with the figures of MW being "down"... but all parks open 365\4 days a year will experience slow days, and I'll guarantee it was better than most days at wonderland... now we all know wonderland did not close because of poor attendance - the park made money - it was all just siphoned off to Sunway Lagoon. So long as the park covers it's costs, i see no problem with low attendances in quiet times - which april and may are. One question I would like answered - if someone can provide on (djsupersleuth maybe?) is why multi-trained coasters don't run both trains on average days? I mean for rides like bush beast - on quiet days its the only option, but especially for SE, which has separate load and unload stations, why can they not run two trains? it would cut a 15 minute wait down to 5, with no further effort on the operator's part except more frequent loading? its ridiculous! im all over the place tonight.... lack of sleep - so heres another one - (as has been said) perhaps movie world have decided to hold major promotion until the release of the movie? great tie in opportunities... although opening later seems like the smart thing to do -what better way to alleviate the always catastrophic christmas holidays, than with a high speed, high capacity coaster? And lastly... it will be an interesting 2007, with what all the parks have in store for us. WBMW, WnW, DW all have big plans announced, in the works, or under construction (say goodbye to lethal's "movie theatre"... shhhhhh......) So far, the only park without big plans (that i know of) is sea world... so it will be interesting if they announce something new in the second half of this year. 2007 will be a big year for the big 4, but don't expect to see big attendances across the board at all parks, because the public will have to choose what they see and spend their money on, and it all comes down to the marketing teams. the 3 park pass will probably tip the scales, but DWWP may have an effect that is yet to be predicted here... only time shall tell.

lol. It never ceases to amaze me Paul, how you can summarise my entire point in one line. THIS IS MY POINT EXACTLY. thanks Paul.

Very true Richard, very true. Management can place a blanket rule in force, but if it is left up to an operator's discretion, then in the end each operator knows (and bussy will tell you) that it is the operator's decision, and responsibility for the safety of each and every person on the ride, and around the ride. An op can allow you to do anything they want within the blanket park rules, but if they goof and someone gets hurt - THEY are the ones responsible for the repercussions. ie: Shoulder bars on bounty's Harness locks on Demon Cage doors on Zodiac

I couldnt be stuffed redoing all the quotes, so im just going to type in between By the way, I can't show you any of my photos cause I don't waste my time to take photos of rides unless i'm getting paid. I never once asked for a ride shot, i just wanted to see what you could do A theme park is the last place I will take 20G's worth of photographic equipment unless that area is closed off. which is why you're a bloody wedding photographer. Photography is about creativity, and creativity is chucking the lowepro on your back, and hoofing it to god knows where in search of a vision, a creative inspiration to click off that one in a million shot that you so verbosely talked of in your first post. Yes I own that Canon Camera you talk about 16.7 mega FULL FRAME not a quarter. If you sell cameras you would know that the smallest DSLR senser is Half not a Quarter, that is found in an Olympus Camera. i said "any damn digital sensor". Yes, DSLR predominantly do have a larger sensor than compact, but I was generalising - as you were. you generalised about noisy film, i generalised about small sensors. The bottom line is that any digital sensor will pick up less information than film, because of the size and division of the sensor sites. the fact the each sensor site is divided, and separate, means there are gaps. Modern manufacturers fill these gaps by getting each adjacent "site" to talk to each other to compare information, and then fill in the holes. The problem with that is that the fill ins aren't always right, and that means loss of detail. The Olympus camera(S) that you talk of use the fourthirds system, and are the E300, the E500 and the E330. This is know. I also know that a full frame sensor is still nowhere near film quality... and at 187 Megapixel average for the worlds top professional films (18 is for consumer grade ISO400)... that quality gap is a long way off. "CHROMATIC ABBERATION" - is only caused by Wide Angle Film Lens on Digital Sensers. but thats a whole new topic. So lets start a new one - "wide angle" - that is if your definition of wide angle is anything up to 70mm. Yes my camera can shoot 6.4x 4.8mm on RAW file very easly. fantastic. and you would need a magnifying glass to see it. I SAID METRES YOU IDIOT By the way No Kodak or Fuji mini lab can burn RAW files off a Film. That depends on what lab I use now doesn't it? Also - seeings as how you have done your "Research" it might interest you to check out what Fuji Frontier and NoritsuKoki have come up with in a software patch for those labs - it just depends on if the individual lab is prepared to pay what they want for it. RAW files are for RAW data, You can't get RAW data from a Negative cause it has already been processed, thats how you get your print. NNNNNNNGGGGTTTTT! Wrong. Film has been processed - yes. But that is a chemical process whereby exposed silver halides are removed or enhanced, depending on the light that has hit them. A negative IS a RAW product. Digitising a negative is done in pretty much the same way that a digital sensor takes a photo. Its just that the sensor sites are much bigger, and and the sensor itself is much better quality than whats in a DSLR. The processing that is undergone in a DSLR is a computer interpretation of what the sensor has seen - which is what a film scanner does too - Hence you CAN get RAW data from a negative. The Human eye can only see 300 DPI in a print hence Kodak machines at 400 DPI and Fuji at 310 DPI Sorry mate but this is where you need to check your facts. 330DPI is what the human eye can see. But you ARE correct that the Fuji Frontiers print at 310... hence fuji labs do not have the quality of a Kodak Lab. Then again having said that - if you are printing fuji - you're using a frontier. If you are printing kodak - theres a high chance you're using NortisuKoki, but not necessarily. Kodak chemistry can be used in a variety of labs, which gets kodak out there a bit more, but also means if you're using an inferior lab, your DPI count may not be the same. Personally, if you are using agfa film with agfa paper and agfa chemical - agfa will blow them both away - but if you use any other product, you are better off processing elsewhere. By the way you need a Tlit shift lens if you are going to take photos like the one in your picture. Firstly.... WHY? who says I need a tilt shift lens? it depends on the shot the photographer is going for now, doesnt it? Secondly I TOOK a photo like the one in my picture - and several more - without a tilt shift lens. I guess you are just a staff member in a camera store, who thinks they are a pro photographer. Check out the daily telegraph sports section, and other popular sports publications for my credits on NRL and other sports photography. Oh - and by the way - since the sports reports normally hit the papers on MONDAY - every one of us (we have about 35 photographers) use film. And no Adam - there isnt a fight here. In the end of it all - a $17,500 camera body means NOTHING. ANY - i repeat - ANY photographer will tell you that the entire profession stems from a lens. Stick a crappy ass lens on a $17,500 body - and you still have a crappy shot. I still carry around an old Olympus OM-1. its not my main camera, and by no means the best, but the shots I have gotten on this camera (FYI for those who don't know it - the Olympus OM-1 is one of the best SLR's ever made. It is completely manual - no point and shoot for this one, no autofocus - NOTHING). I would like to see THILLSEEKER try his hand with this baby at a wedding shoot and see what he turns up. Set your own apertures, your own shutters, your own focus, even your own film speeds - SHOCK HORROR - THERE ISN'T EVEN A WHITE BALANCE (you moron). everything is done by eye. Just because I have a day job - he thinks he is superior. The lesson is a true wedding photographer who does weddings will have one day a month of work, (which is why wedding photographers charge so much) and then not work the next 29 days. Yes thillseeker - you're a pro - and you're no doubt on the dole as well... you're right up there with musicians and buskers. And the real reason you won't show me any of your photos is because you aren't a photographer. you have a friend or two who work in photolabs, and a great google ability to discover factoids you www.ant, www.hich aren't necessarily correct

ok firstly, i am referring to film because "sheer terror captured on a memory card" doesnt have the same ring to it secondly, how many pro-photographers do you know? in todays world, most photographers shoot digital when they are time-limited to their shots. the grainiest film on the consumer market - which is Kodak Max 400 (YUK) is still equivalent to 18 megapixels. and since the closest you can get to that in digital is a $17,500 Canon Eos SLR (which shoots at around the 17 megapixel mark) doesnt come close to a nice roll of FujiFilm Velvia Daylight 50. Colour reproduction, sharpness, reproduction ability thirdly - who said I am using a high iso film.... why would i need to use a high iso film? Besides if I wanted to use a high iso film, i'd use fujipress professional, which is what I plan to use on my next trip to QLD this week, and it comes in 400, 800, and 1600, and even at 1600, the noise is still far less than any damn digital sensor that is freakin a quarter the size of a 35mm piece of film. TWO WORDS - CHROMATIC ABBERATION Now - i am not time limited, so digital convenience is out. I want the highest possible quality - so digital sensors are out. I AM A PRO PHOTOGRAPHER, so using a high iso digital setting with a high noise filter is pointless when i can use a medium iso FILM and negate the need for a noise filter. A FILTER is designed to REMOVE things. By using a High Noise Filter, the filter will remove the noise, but in doing so will REMOVE elements of the picture that the sensor saw - thereby creating a shot that is not as the sensor saw it. I have the use of a complete photo minilab. it is film and digital capable, and if i really need the images digital, I can burn 16Base Raw, Tiff or Jpeg files, with filesizes far exceeding the current 8 megapixel standards of todays digital world - at 147Mb, 41Mb and 6Mb files respectively. Just for your information, when scanning film, "BASE" is the standard scan - 1000 lines across a piece of 35mm film. 16Base is 16,000 Lines. That means that one line is recorded every 0.00021875 centimetres. The human eye can see at 330DPI. anything higher is only for reproduction at a larger scale. Before you would see any "pixelation" in any of my "Scanned" images (since we're talking film, its called grain, not pixellation, but still) - you would need to print one of my images approximately 4.8 metres at the shortest side. At a ratio of 4:3 which most digitals record at, that means 6.4 metres at the longest side. so I ask you - FIND ME A DIGITAL CAMERA THAT CAN PRODUCE A 6.4M x 4.8M image without any visual loss of quality or content... and what if I dont reproduce from the scanned neg??? well find me an enlarger big enough, with a light strong enough, and paper big enough and ill print one of my images large enough to cover a football stadium... because an image reproduced by light, rather than by pixel enlargement can be magnified as many times as you want, without noise, and without loss in quality or pixelation. you are limited only by the size of the enlarger. Now I challenge you to show me your best. You think film is going to make my photos look crap? I'd like to see what you have achieved using your digital - without digital manipulation, without guided modes or crap like that -full manual, full set. show me what you have - in the meantime attached is a shot i took on film at this years easter show - and this shot is a muck around shot, at low res. Its noisy because net compression requires it to be so small, and R-C.com.au can't handle a 3 meg image for some reason - which is usually the smallest my pics get. The colours are intentional, as it is cross processed sensia slide E6. Yes guys - this is another patented AlexB "rant-at-a-moron-who-thinks-he-knows-everything" post. I await your reply. I am a pro photographer, i sell cameras, print photos, and take photos for a living. I have the authority and qualifications to call myself an expert. So idiots with too much time on their hands who just choose to criticise what others do, and no apparent ability other than to shoot one's mouth off - their opinions are worthless. Also - if you read this thread, you would note i was after suggestions for the easter show - which has since been and gone. I also asked for a catchy slogan - one liners etc, not some braindead crap that looks like a mini novel. "Everyone will think i'm crap" - im not a wannabe photographer, and even then no photographer would put "everyone will think i'm crap" on their advertising space. what kind of moron are you??? thats my input for this month -join us in june for more exciting, heated banter from you're local Dj and Photographer.... Dj Alex B

HI All, Next saturday, the 20th of May, I will be going through Movie World. I will be doing a pro-photo shoot of the entire park (for private use of course). I will also be embarking on Superman Escape for the first time, and after that, Rappa has graciously offered to take us in to AOS. I call for anyone who would like to join us for the day at the park to come along. If you are interested in meeting up, mail me at dj_alex_b@hotmail.com Cheers, Alex.

I can't wait to see you as a leper

1. take a jar of vegetable stew with you. spill it all over the queue line, make retching noises, and hide the jar before anyone sees it - they'll leave before they even smell it! (note - this is a joke and i don't recommend doing it) 2. don't shower for a week.... smell really bad.... and lean close to those in front of you - cough on them a lot... 3. find a few old bolts, or cogs if you can get them.... talk loudly to your friend in the queue about how you just rode this ride, and look at the cool bolts and stuff you swiped off it 4. scream FIRE! (note - this works well and is very believable on WWWF) 5. dress formally.... suit and tie. walk past everyone in the queue, duck the rails, or take the exit onto the ride. get the operators attention, walk over to them and speak to them quietly... it doesnt matter what you say, you know... ask them the weather... or anything. at the end, point at the queue, say thankyou, and just waltz over and take your place at the front of the queue. most people in the queue will not fuss about it because you look like you're an official of some sort. 6. make a fake id, showing you as a ride inspector. get a badge and everything and put it in a leather flash wallet. walk through the queue, and if anyone complains, flash your badge at them, and tell them to "Stay out of it" 7. become a leper 8. expose yourself to every person in the queue, and keep walking towards them until they get out of the way 9. fart.... particularly in an indoor queue... blame the guy in front of you.... or behind you... 10. bribe the operator.... or the queue line....

I am still awaiting a post from Ibot that reads in "plain old english". I spent 5 minutes with a dictionary looking for the meaning of Asussume, reslove, and critisam. I ASSUME that he wants us to RESOLVE our points of CRITICISM with him in private. So does that mean that you are assuming I am jumping to my own conclusion.... *hippocrit* I don't believe anybody laid it down as a statement, nobody ever challenged it as a question... lessons in english will come later - it seems you have a bigger problem to deal with - that being math... there can only be one FIRST.... the one after first is usually SECOND. I never for one minute said it was true, what I said was it SEEMS like you were. Well I could sight the constitution, numerous freedom of speech rights, I could also just spout out that as a member of roller-coaster.com.au, it is my right to post on the forums. I never once stated a fact in my post. I made OBSERVATIONS, which are just that. MY POINT OF VIEW. as with everyone else, I AM ALSO ENTITLED to have my own point of view, and NOBODY can demand that that point of view concur with their own. Right so rather than being a little girl by standing up in a crowd and speak my mind openly, you want me to have guts by secretly talking about it, in private? *CONTRADICTION COUGH COUGH* And to be honest, in my life, I have learnt the benefit of a dead cert. Why risk an 80% chance of success when I can achieve 100% success, and in doing so, find others who support me and my views? I do not doubt for a moment that you have problems. Honestly, I don't know where to start with you... but to give you a helping hand, here is one you can use... ROLLER-COASTER.COM.AU Community Guidelines - a handbook to using the forums correctly, following the rules and generally not getting verbally bashed by those members who might find your childish, but poor nettiquette absolutely revolting. But also, just in case you need to go back to basics even further than the community guidelines, might I suggest this site as a starting point to get your language skills back up to speed... HELP FOR IBOT CAN BE FOUND HERE Notice that I also did not resort to a single obscenity, or profanity, I got my point across, and I didnt use "*****" either. (which coincidentally is also not permitted under the guidelines). Until Next Time, Alex.

i didnt see the point of creating a new thread for this, but i just want to make the following observations: The quality of posts coming from ibot seems about the same as ol NightShifter... bussy you will remember this guy I think? Now is it just me, or does ibot seem like a little 11 year old wannabe coming up with absolute drivel? And finally, am I the only one groaning in frustration and utter annoyance at these posts? Theres my two cents....