DaptoFunlandGuy

wait wait wait Rabid.... say that again.... more slowly this time. The one hazard with having the live-off-sattelite broadcast is the potential for competitors to get their name into the park. its not just having sea world advertised on a tv inside dreamworld, but imagine if pepsi-co got an ad on nick, and it went out over dreamworld. coca-cola is very antsy when it comes to its sponsorship. what about nestle peters icecream versus streets? theres a catfight... smiths versus lays and back in the day, tip top versus fielders? that caused a huge problem at wonderland years ago because goodman fielders sponsored a major attraction at wonderland, yet the food outlets served tip top bread and bread rolls!! something like this the park needs to have complete control over it. the best thing would be to do what they do in WBMW - in bug's gift shop near the road runner rollercoaster - have a laserdisc. its the size of an LP Record, similar to a dvd, but with a lot more capacity... try that one on for size! it would give you at least a full days playback without repeating itself. so produce a few discs, and it takes a lot longer for cast to get bored of it. or get it on a timed switch so it goes from say... laserdisc video recording, to music video a-la Channel [V], then switch to live vision of the ride, or another one in another area in the park, then switch back to the recording. have them timed for a few minutes each and you're laughing - 1 short length cartoon (3min), 1 music video (5 min) 1x live action of the ride, with backing music (4 min). that will take ages to get boring!

Slick i dont think thats a fair comment. How many times has wipeout been pulled completely to bits and put back together again? I dont know of the maintenance cycles in dreamworld, but if its anything like wonderland, with the exception of big coasters, annual maintenance took at most 3 days per ride. Now take Disneyland. they have a swarm of imagineers, technicians etc to make it the best it can be. when i went to disneyland, matterhorn was closed for an entire month just for routine maintenance. these guys don't rush the rides through as quick as they can to get it back online, they close it, rip it apart and put it all back together again every single year. so tell me again - the last time wipeout was ripped to bits? A rides age is only as apparent as the lack of work done on it. If dreamworld operated on a seasonal basis, then in the off season, they could rip every ride apart, oil it, grease it, fix everything, and put it back together. they can't do that on a 364 day a year trade. but the problem is simply that if dreamworld shuts down one ride, a high percentage of their guests is going to be disappointed, not to mention the pressure put on their capacity. if Disneyland shuts a ride, sure you're disappointed, but there's absolutely no pressure on capacity, compared to if they had the ride open that day. its just something that W.E.Disney knew about, and unfortunately, the designers of dreamworld did not.

hey Richard, with the exception of the "Wonderland Song" by 911, all the other songs are production music, licensed to be used freely, particularly by producers, advertisers etc. in another thread on here we talked about how some of this music had been used as backing for television commercials. I can say for a fact that the 911 version of the Wonderland song has legal copyright ownership. the remaining songs are devoid of copyright and are in the public domain. the only other song i could imagine that would be subject to copyright is the theme song used on their 1991 tv ad. I can't imagine sunway renewing the copyright to it, so the original copyright would expire in 2005, provided that the copyright application was made in 1990, pre-broadcast of the commercial.

Actually Bus, I have a photo around here somewhere of that end of the platform, and it shows quite clearly, two "lever style" controls, similar to that on snowy. these levers were used to control the slipway brakes. yes, there were also controls for the lift, that i forgot.

Micka, "please refer to the community guidelines on the use of obscenities." lol. ok now i have that out of the way, please allow me to correct a few items, some of which were my own original mistakes. The Original Park design was based SOLELY on Canada's Wonderland. King's Island was a source for some rides, however the layout, entertainment, theming etc was sourced entirely from Canada's Wonderland. The three themed lands WERE originally Medieval Faire, GoldRush and Hanna-Barbera Land. Medieval faire was later renamed International Village when ride movements, and the additions of other attractions and shows in the park did not fit with the original Medieval theme. By removing Medieval Faire, and Replacing it with International village, it meant they could use pretty much any historical theme on anything, and it still fit with the theme of "international". With the introduction of Transylvania, International Village lost some of the reasons it was "International" and the now-much-smaller area was re-themed Old Botany Bay. Old Botany Bay was kind of lacking, as it then only had the Jousting Ring (dodgems) and Bounty's Revenge (pirate ship), and then only one of them fit that theme! To be contradictory as well, when the body of water in the middle of OLD BOTANY BAY was then called a lake, with the eating area called "lakeside" (theres sunway for ya!) now to add other factoids - HMAS Endeavour used to be in Medieval Faire. It was positioned directly behind the "wrecked ship" seating area, opposite Bounty's Revenge as you walk towards dodgems. of course the "wrecked ship" wasnt there then. Endeavour was pushed out of Medieval Faire by the Australian Wildlife Park, and it moved to the spot left by the Funnel Web Spider, when it moved out of goldrush (any idea where it went anyone?) The Outback Restaurant was first called "Captain Cook's Restaurant" Originally, the lake next to bounty's revenge held the REAL "pirate ship". Sponsored by Toohey's brewery, the pirate ship was based on an identical stunt show in Canada's Wonderland, where pirates warred with regimental soldiers. spectacular action from this show included pirates fallingdivingjumping off the main mast, some 15-20 metres above ground level, and into the lake. (which is approximately 10 metres deep in that area). The tooheys pirate ship was actually built off premises, at a genuine ship-yard, before being loaded onto a semi trailer, and driven down the great western highway at about 4am, before being craned into position on top of its pillars. The pontoon in the middle of the lake used by the waterski stunt shows H2Overload and War On Water, among others, was actually the base for the pirate ship. the pillars (4) actually held the ship from its middle, shooting up through the ship's belly, to hold it just below its cannons. this void underneath allowed the stunt performers to fall into the water, and then swim up underneath and hence not be seen. Calls for casting and auditions were made every year for the park season. the park originally traded from around july-august, through until may, operating on weekends, public holidays and school holiday seasons only. cast were hired on a seasonal basis, and would generally be hired either for a full season, or just for the holiday periods. Entertainment wise, they hired many people, sparing no expense. separate cast members were hired to be dancing characters, while others would be the "walk around" characters. When entering the park, a swarm of photographers stood outside the gates, taking your photo, usually with a character or two on the way in. a card or pass was given to you with a number on it, and you returned towards the end of the day to pick up your very own photo, inside a looking glass (small viewfinder shot, held up to one eye against the light). HMAS Endeavour originally loaded from one side, and unloaded from the other. Bush Beast's control used to be located at the front of the platform, next to the despatch runway. the painting of the claws never used to exist, and you had a free view straight out while at the platform. one master operator controlled the main operations of the ride, while a brakeman at the opposite end of the platform (the return runway) controlled a series of brakes from the arrival corridor all the way back to the station. this operator had the duty of holding the second train until the first had cleared. this allowed the operator to use their own judgement, meaning the operator could bring the train in faster than that which was computer controlled in later years. Bush Beast was also manned by 3 other staff for personal belongings, lapbar checking and height checking. Entry gates to most main rides on opening (including Bush Beast, Beastie, Zodiac, and Bounty's Revenge were low metal poles (similar to that of the queue lines in dragon's flight, endeavour and tassie devil) bent into a 'P' shape that swung open, similar to the way the large rebarred grilles did more recently. they were a lightweight metal, and you could lean past them to watch the ride in action. Billabong Grove used to be Yogi Bear's Picnic Park, and guests could take a picnic lunch into the area to have a peaceful family lunch. Action Arena used to be a basketball court. before that it was just land and a service road. the walkway between dragons flight and the goldrush entrance never used to exist, until skyhawk was built. i have more but my brain is swimming wonderland at the moment, so ill post more later.

well, since my current situation has changed, thats not a bad idea. I will team up with Mickazee to produce some really nice professional covers with image and information of the park too. lets have a vote... what do you think the going rate should be? bear in mind the work that will be going into it... perhaps - Richard, do you reckon we could put this up on cafe press?

paul, i now have the wouldnt it be wonderful (1991 jive version). really bad quality, im gunna try and clean it up. let me know if u want it

ok we're looking over 500Mb at the current bitrates. i plan to downmix them to 128k over the weekend, and split the file into each individual song. i have adsl 512.

they ARE mp3 man! 256k quality MP3, total of 50 minutes worth. plus MPEG video - 1 min long

Success! I have all of the most recent tracks from the park music playlist, as well as the 1991 "theres a world I like to live in" television commercial with sound. trouble is, HUGE file sizes... you guys are gunna have to give me a while to get this uploaded. Richard, any chance of getting these up on the site, rather than post as attachment? i don't have any of my own webspace...

no no no there WAS a train out there. i never saw it but for proof, there are rails buried into the pathway that leads to aqua golf. it is quite obviously a miniature railway.

bus, i dont make a point of disagreeing with you. if i feel you are wrong i say so. if i feel you are right i say so. so what does that tell you? lol. bussy - back in its day, merry had a lot more characters. over time the fibreglass on some of them, (including huck) broke, or became irrepairable, so they took it off. If you dont believe me, there were three or four characters from merry sitting down outside the warehouse, to the right of the canteen, visible from post. one is jabberjaw, one is yogi, and one is huck. standard character position, squatting (kinda) with a step in between his legs, and a footrest below that. but Huck was part of the carousel... that, and im sure they either ran out of HB characters to them the rides with, or vice versa, they wanted to put huck on something and that was all they had...

paul i hate to break it to you, but bussy is right. it was magilla gorilla's flotilla. huck was the carousel. you have a photo of huck on TWO of the paddle boats. in fact, there were numerous paddle boats, and they all had various heads. wilma, fred, barney, betty, huck, yogi, snaggle, jabberjaw, george and judy jetson, there were HEAPS of them. they all fell under "magilla gorilla's flotilla"

rides at panthers? closest thing is a roller coaster simulator. used to be turboride, a simulator style thing, sitting in a twin chair watching a big screen with like 50 other people. it is now called the backdoor and is a comedy style club. cables is now closed, as is the go karts, and waterslides. so essentially, western sydney is getting screwed on amusements - wonderland, panthers, waterworks... everything is going down the tubes...

Gazza, the central column could rotate as well as tilt. one would be on the ground at a time, and as one went up, the arm would rotate as it tilted, bringing the next one down, while keeping the third one in the air still. ive just spent 3 hours trying to find a pic to no avail.

Found this one this morning on the web. Now whats wrong with Carr buying wonderland a year ago and doing the same thing? Source: News.com.au World's biggest park for Sydney By Simon Benson and wires December 4, 2004 A 35-year-old vision to create the world's largest urban park in the heart of suburban Sydney has today become a reality. The massive new urban parkland for western Sydney was about seizing the land for the people of the area forever, New South Wales Premier Bob Carr said today. At the site today, Mr Carr announced the creation of the park near Doonside - one of the biggest in the world, and 25 times the size of Centennial Park. He said $45 million would be spent over the next few years to open up space for the residents of western Sydney. "Today is about seizing the land of western Sydney for people forever, and saying it won't be touched by development," Mr Carr said. The announcement marks the culmination of an evolving plan, passed on from successive state governments since 1968, and will see the creation of an open space corridor running from Blacktown to Liverpool, slicing the city in half. Stretching 27km from north to south, it has an estimated land value of more than $2.5 billion and will serve as a "green haven" for the 1.8 million people who live west of Parramatta. State governments have been strategically buying up parcels of land in western Sydney based on a model created by the former State Planning Authority in 1968. The Carr Government has inherited much of the land which it will transform into recreation areas, conservation zones and parkland, beginning early in the new year. It is to become the green centerpiece of the Government's much-awaited Metropolitan Strategy, which will shape the future growth of Sydney for the next 30 years. As well as the park, a 55ha green residential suburb will be created adjacent, as well as a 58ha employment park employing 800 people. A trust has been established to manage the area, to be called the Western Sydney Parklands. Premier Bob Carr yesterday described the open space as the "lungs of western Sydney" and said it would be a unique urban area. "These parklands will become the lungs of western Sydney, offering families recreational and open space opportunities," he said. "Western Sydney currently has a population of 1.8 million people, growing to about 2.2 million by 2020. "It is one of the main engine rooms of the Australian economy. "It is sprinkled with job-creating industrial hubs and city centres. "Western Sydney families are working where they live and the Western Sydney Parklands will give a new place to have fun and enjoy themselves outdoors. "This will become an asset for our children and generations to come. It will enhance the quality of life for families in western Sydney. "It is about giving those families an even better quality of life." Old farming paddocks, bushland, existing recreation facilities and some Olympic sites have been incorporated into the parkland. It will include new sporting facilities, a 760ha biodiversity conservation corridor and natural bushland areas. Included in the park will be: A NEW $12 million, 128ha regional park at Doonside; MORE than 35km of walking and cycling trails; CONNECTIONS to M7 pathway; A $5 MILLION revegetation program and $1 million landscape gateway in Prospect; $20 MILLION for two sporting complexes and trail bike and BMX bike tracks; NEW picnic grounds and playgrounds; and OUTDOOR camping site for school and adventure programs. The land acquisition program has cost $140 million over 40 years. Over the past 10 years, more than 350,000 trees have been planted to restore some degraded paddock area to make them suitable for inclusion in the park. Incorporating reports from The Daily Telegraph and AAP

beverly hills cop 3 features a THREE ARMED version of the Zodiac. The double decker carousel was never at wonderland. i know of the park where most of BHC3 was filmed, but can't recall it. some parts of the movie (including alien attack) were filmed at universal studios hollywood as well.

ok ill try and answer everything. firstly, everyone is most welcome for the info. I honestly did it for myself rather than anyone else, but to share is a better thing. Joz, i certainly hope so too, it would be a shame if they closed down... Jobe, i have no idea about the identity of the persons who have purchased any of the rides. unlike wonderbus, i haven't done any in depth research to find out about it. tassie is no longer in the open, so either they have put it in a container, or it is already in shipping. snowy, beast and beastie, i cannot imagine anything but a bulldozer in their future, or perhaps a heritage listing on beast if some people get their way. as far as bounty, it is old but still works, so I imagine it going somewhere else. As far as probe, I'm not aware of any other intamin drop that has been relocated. i don't know if it would be financially viable to do so. all we can do is speculate. I was not permitted to take any photos while inside the park. i have a lot of historical photos, and stock photos from the period of 2000-2002, as I was a photographer for the park during that time. as far as scanning etc, i do not currently have a scanner that is out of a box, so it won't be happening anytime soon.

Who owned the park before Sunway City Berhad? There have been a few owners over the years. While i can't tell you specifically, the original backers for the project included the NSW State Government (tourism), Kings Entertainment company (prior to merger with paramount) and the commonwealth bank. Prime sponsors to the project also included smiths chips, coca cola and tooheys. What rides were initially in the park? The bushbeast and beastie, were they there from the beginning? its easier to tell you what WASNT there- zodiac, all of the beach, demon, probe, skyhawk, Sky Rider, fred flintstone's splashdown what was that you may not know about- Funnel Web Spider, Ned Kelly's Getaway, Bam Bam's Ball Bash, Judy's Jetliners, Scooby's Silly Stix, and the paddleboats (can't remember actual name), wizard's fury How long did the park take to construct, which themed areas were there first? most major construction works were completed within two years prior to the park opening, december 1, 1985. Originally, the park opened with three themed lands, International Village, Goldrush, and Hanna-Barbera Land. it was based on a model of Canada's Wonderland, although canada had a few more lands at that time. Why did they choose the current site (so far west)? Proximity to the M4? Cheap land? the M4 did not exist when the park opened, however the land was at the time government owned, and with the state government's support, it made the land purchase easier. it was very cheap, and was considered to be central to the forecasted urban sprawl predicted in the next 20 years (they were right). it was still considered minchinbury when it was opened, however it later reverted to eastern creek as the area developed (urban sprawl again). More importantly, i'm led to believe that a lot of the rides initially came from Paramount parks in the U.S. Is this true? Which parks and which rides were brought over? it is true that rides were brought over yes. whether they all specifically came from paramount parks is another matter as i stated before, Kings were involved in the construction prior to the merge with paramount. some of these rides were from a dutch park, and some are more than 30 years old today (Wizard's Fury is one i can state for a certainty - the house the train went through had a particularly dutch feel to it as well) And back in 1985, does anyone know how much admission to the park costed? (I'll adjust for inflation) i can tell you that in its early days, an adult ticket was around $20-25, and children were somewhere between $10-17. pensioners were same as children, and over 60 i think was free. don't quote me on this though as this is an old memory. id say it was ballpark at best. hope this helps ya micka. also i have a lot of old info about the park from my visit today, so let me know if you need any more info, or get me on MSN - you have my contact. Ciao!

So we arrived at the park at about 9.30. met up with my contact, and came into the administration building. all of the office cubicles etc have been ripped out and relocated to the training room, and the office floor is covered with an assortment of junk from the park. old floodlights, cash registers, stuffed toys, framed pictures and other paraphernalia. We took a tour upstairs to the executive offices, where there is more framed pictures etc etc. lots of old black and white photos of the park, and canada's wonderland (the park Sydney was based on). lots of other posters from years gone by litter the floor all over the place. (for those interested, they have a slice of timber log, with the original Australia's Wonderland logo burned into it... its nice but i wasn't prepared to buy it.) Then we took a tour out into the park. A lot of backstage fencing has been removed on the way up to the park entrance at the front gates. As we walk into international village (or botany bay) all of the chairs and tables have been removed outside bounty burgers, and the roof has been removed off the bounty's revenge side of the food outlet. The fountain is drained, the paving has lots of weeds growing through it, and a lot of the pavers have been removed, with removal still underway in transylvania, with pallet upon pallet of pavers stacked up ready to be removed. Bounty's revenge still stands, and we walked up to the lake. now fully drained (maybe a small pool in the bottom from rain) but the lake for those interested is about 6 metres deep in the middle, and it drops sharply at the sides. Lakeside has been completely demolished, all chairs and tables gone, and the piers over the water are gone. all of the signage has fallen apart and is sitting on the bottom of the lake in pieces. As we walk up along "IV" toward dodgems, the carousel space is now just a plain concrete slab. all of the skill games have been stripped bare. Entering Transylvania, it is strange not to have the "creature" growling from its tunnel. more weeds, and the grass in the gardens has overgrown. it is from here we got our first close up view of Demon, undergoing demolition. the "demon" gates are closed, with all sorts of safety and contruction signs posted on it. two cranes are around the ride, and the entire boomerang is now removed. both lift hills remain standing, the 3rd loop, and the drop from the boomerang is still up there, so the drop looks like an evil hook just sticking up in the middle of the sky. We could not go inside of probe, but the only thing that has changed there is the pre-show tv's have been removed. Heading up towards HBL, the pathway is covered in dirt and muck from all the trucks going up and down. Zodiac, contrary to popular belief, is holding up well. it is still completely intact, however is completely level due to the equalisation of the hydraulic fluids. all gondola's are still complete. Galaxy Theatre - Tony Laffan's old home, is in a shambles. the marquee has fallen down everywhere, the roof has collapsed. we took a tour of the stage areas, including the secret trap doors, the tiger-run, dressing rooms etc. The rest of HBL have fallen apart. the only rides still within HBL was Beastie and Skyrider. all of the shops, outlets, etc we pathetic. grass, dirt and garbage were everywhere. the magic tree theatre still stands, although looks slightly worse for the wear. Dragon's flight having been removed prior to the park closure, nothing has changed here. still a big empty concrete slab. "planes" as most people know them, have been removed from transylvania, and captain cavemans clippers (galleon's graveyard) was in the process of being torn down during our visit. Action Arena has no seats, walls, fences or anything else, however the oriignal building housing the dressing rooms etc are still there. Although we had some photos posted recently on the state of the park, "Balloons" has disappeared. Endeavour is dismantled, but still remains on its original site in pieces. tassie devil's site is still as was at closure. the bakery is all boarded up with pretty much anything they could find, including old signage etc. the skill games in goldrush are torn down, some without even a roof. the blacksmith's shed still stands, and still has a few items here and there. old time photos has its velveteen drapes, a piano, some coathangers, and thats about it. the arcade is a shell, the remote controlled boats have been drained, although most of the facades are still there, but all the controller units etc are gone. the heli-tours building, which used to be a retail gift shop, and before that who knows is levelled. nothing but a concrete slab. the eating areas in goldrush have been levelled, no chairs, tables, or roofs. Ampol's Antique Autos still stands as is, with cars still on the tracks, however the entire ride has been purchased. Skyrider still stands in goldrush as well. all of the games down the bottom of goldrush are standing, but nothing is there, and the arcade building has been levelled. Snowy River Rampage could still be operated in its current condition. everything is in readiness, and it appears the pumps and all the rest of its associated equipment are intact. the control panel has gotten a little filthy, but looks ok. the holding lake for snowy has NOT been drained. Bush Beast also still stands, but as with a previous post somewhere, the trains have been moved out to the back of the property. The Beach walkway, from bush beast to the pool area used to have pine poles lining it as a fence. these have been cut off at ground level to allow vehicles easier maneuvering in and out. the beach pools are stagnant, with all sorts of things in the pool themselves. there are no shade sails or anything still up, and all of the palm trees etc have been removed. Maintenance around the back of the beach is littered with parts of rides, although Tassie Devil has been removed from the maintenance area. There is a mould for the plates of the space probe shell, and some carousel items that were HB themed such as jabberjaw, yogi, scooby etc. the only thing in the whole park that looked like it was in decent condition was the garbage disposal unit out the back of maintenance, which was a brand new cleanaway compactor. On our return to admin, I took a trip down memory lane by walking down through into wardrobe and the lockers. i came across bits and pieces of operaitonal paperwork littered across the floor. So all in all, i cannot describe how I felt going through the park one last time. I was happy that i got to see it again before it was levelled, but sad to see what it had become. out of my visit, i picked up - assorted park brochures, maps, blank tickets, french fry boxes and fast food paper bags, hat pins, badges, keyrings, magnets, drink bottles, posters from 2004, and posters from 1985, 1986, 1987, and 1990, and also one circa 1994. thimbles, photo frames, as well as the "demon ride photo" frames, hats, flags, pennants, a few stock photos from 1986 or thereabouts, and overhead black and white photo from 85 of HBL in its original state, stickers, bottle openers, as well as the old style 1 litre glass Coke bottles used on one of the skill games - these are collectors items! as well as all sorts of little bits and pieces. i picked up a couple of promotional videos the park used to have, from way back in its original days to current, the park music cd, and a lot of memories. I will always remember Wonderland Sydney..... ....but i would prefer to remember it as Australia's Wonderland, build by Kings Entertainment company in conjunction with Paramount, based on canada's wonderland, and funded partly by the New South Wales government. Whilst I am appreciative of the opportunity to tour the park prior to its closure, I am still dismayed at the decision Sunway made to close the park. I do sincerely hope that in the near future, someone else will come along and build a world class theme park here in sydney, and have the backing and the determination to keep it running for many years to come, while still holding firm to the traditional values like those so instilled by the original management of Australia's Wonderland, rather than a money hoarding corporation that only cares about its bottom line. Theres a world i'd like to live in, A World I'd like to see, Where theres too much fun, for everyone, and thats where I Wanna be. Wouldn't It Be Wonderful, If the World Was Wonderland? Rest In Peace - 1985 - 2004 19 years of memories 19 years of fun

I was at luna park the other night and remarked to myself of how much the wildmouse at luna differs to SDSC at WBMW. So i wanted to ask this question - what makes a coaster a "wild mouse"? can anyone offer a definition?

Thanks to a WONDERful person currently working at the park, I will be taking a guided tour of the park on Wednesday, December 1st, before the park admin personnel closes out in mid december. Unfortunately, no photography is permitted inside the park, so I cannot deliver any photos, however I will be posting after my visit (if possible), on how the park is preparing for the bulldozers. Theres a world i'd like to live in....

It worked for me Paul. I have to say, most of the footage I have seen before. to be critical, the effects were a little cheesy, and quality was pretty average... and it was the best god damn thing i've seen this week. almost brought tears to my eyes. I know its not coming back, i know it'll never be what it once was... but damn did i love that place. I idolised it since it opened when i was a little tacker, always wanted to, and did, work there. it doesnt matter if they build another park in sydney, nothing will replace wonderland. sure sunway screwed it over, but the original park could not be changed... it still remained the same to the day those gates shut. nothing can replace her.

I have to say this is good to get information about a bad experience at WBMW. As you guys already know on my previous gold coast visit, I was supremely impressed with the Warner Village theme parks, and severely disappointed with DW. Im sure Joz would have an opinion on this in regards to the morale of the staff. I know i do. I dont work for warner village, and never have, but i have visited the warner village parks countless times more than dreamworld, and have always found the staff impression to be the best I've seen anywhere. so very sad to see the staff dropped the ball on this particular occasion. And I'll concede that as I dont visit DW as often as I do WVTP, my experiences at DW can be simply one-offs as this experience at WBMW seems to be. but anyway....

Yet again it seems as though Wonderbus is incapable of comprehending the english language. Dog With a Bone Bus... Dog With a Bone. Theres a "yo Mama" comment i'd put in here if i was 7 years younger and had the intelligence of a lot of the other members (Including Wonderbus)... but as im not and i don't.... i will refrain. I do however have the psychic vision that I will see another comment from wonderbus here following mine... go on bus... you know you can't resist... HIT that reply button, before those nervous shakes and twitched overwhelm you!