DaptoFunlandGuy

By all accounts, KT has been a capacity machine. Soft openings usually iron out any kinks, but opening so close to peak didn't give any opportunity to bed things down (for either park) and it's inevitable that things are going to break in real world conditions. I've no idea what's wrong - but it was always going to happen at some point. It's one of the main reasons why new rides all go down after their first big ops season to check over everything. it's why new cars go back in after 1000kms to check everything is going right - because sometimes some things don't.

I mean it's pretty clear he means Ardent were focussed on growing Main Event at the expense of dreamworld. And i'm pretty sure that's accurate.

Please don't misunderstand me - i'm not saying they shouldn't have opened - opening was unequivocally the correct decision. And i'm not saying it hasn't been done before or isn't a 'business as usual' practice. I also think the ride looked mostly fine in it's opening state and by our local standards, you'd get away with leaving it at that (and they aren't, so kudos to them for doing that). I'm just saying for me - the fanfare has passed. The ride will no doubt get it's finishing touches, but the 'first impression' opportunity is gone. The park won't come out and say when everything is done, so we're in that limbo period where every visit potentially will show something new (which is good) but there's no 'endgame' where we know they've definitively "finished" - one day it will just be 'done' and that's it.

double edged sword - you leave seats available for other stations to fill which may or may not happen, but in doing so, you piss off the people standing in front of you who are queueing and waiting for a ride. It's easy to do it with Skyliner when it has over 250 gondolas, and the next arriving cabin will be there in 15 seconds. It's a lot harder to do when it's the same carriage they're waiting on, and it'll be more than 15 minutes before it arrives again.

i'm torn here - part of me says you shouldn't open it until it's finished, but I understand why they wanted to have the land open for peak season. From what i've heard, there's quite a bit left to come, and I can't wait to see it 'finished' but I'm a little disappointed that we'll never really know *when* the last thing is done, because we've already had our official opening and all. it's not like the park is going to come out and say "ok, NOW we're done" - we're just going to see bits and pieces added on and one day nothing more will be added on and we'll look back and go - 'maybe it was this thing was the last piece' (or maybe, it'll be so subtle that we won't even know it)

Agree it's probably wishful thinking. they haven't made an announcement yet - which is the sort of thing they'd do to try and take the shine off the success that Dreamworld is having down the road. It's interesting the discussion has continued on for JR & Rivertown whereas Woz has essentially faded to black after opening week. If they've moved to pull it down now because of something in the pipeline, you'd expect to see it parts on site and have it up and running by easter, winter holidays latest. I'm not holding my breath.

geez, something took someone by surprise - plain white barriers, not even the green hedge panels. It's good they're finally doing something but doing it in the middle of your peak season is a weird look, IMO.

It's really hard to argue with most of the votes above, and I think I agree with most of them. Pretty sad state of affairs to be honest where there is no real contender for runner-up in almost every category.

A ride would empty the entire ride vehicle each trip to allow a new load to board. It's unfortunate as Dreamworld used to have two trains, and on busy days they could easily fill both of them through peak periods. The new style of loading takes much longer so the circuit takes much longer, and some people enjoy just sitting on the train and enjoying going around. There's no limit to how long you can stay on, so you could potentially end up with a train going around, stopping at every station but nobody being allowed to get on because it continues to be full. People need a reason to get off the train. Stopping for lunch at Rivertown is a good reason.

I can't speak to every item, but the snake was there on opening day - just didn't have any lighting.

We visited on the weekend and sat down the back of Jane's for lunch, and I noticed that the old Rivertown train platform had been paved over \ levelled. Now I know asphalt isn't super difficult to remove, but the works just made it feel like it was much more permanent - they've not only pulled out the tracks, but also paved it to make it level with the station platform...? Main St station is still fenced off with temp fencing, so they at least haven't made that permanent I suppose - it just shocked me that the whole thing was paved over. I really hope they don't just keep the shuttle between main street and wildlife. I'd love to see Jungle Rush from the vantage point of the train!

yeah personal opinion, GL was a highway attention grabber - evidenced by the giant lantern logo. It's got to be a highlight of the park to go 'outside the berm' so to speak. flats won't cut the mustard in that space.

mate they pretended for years that the monorail was coming back. don't expect them to acknowledge what is going on in front of your face - they're literally the home of 'pay no attention to the man behind the curtain'

This is what happens in new ride discussions between announcement phase and ground breaking. It doesn't matter, but discussion really gets into the weeds and nitty gritty when there's nothing new to talk about.

I'm definitely in the 'gold coaster parts' camp. the colour matches the track perfectly and it's in the right spot. It could be claw parts though - nothing wrong with getting them in early. As for payment - while I have no inside knowledge of this transaction, in some cases, rides aren't paid for prior to opening at all - sometimes they're "leased" from the manufacturer or under some sort of 'buy now, pay later' arrangement (they should be careful, their bank might deny their home loan!). If I remember correctly DC Rivals was initially done under this kind of arrangement but was quickly paid back not long after opening. So it could be paid in full, or in part, or not at all, or only 'leased' - nobody here knows!

Spot on. Afterpay is not it's own risk factor - its the same as having any other line of revolving credit. Banks will want to see that you have capacity to service all of your credit at the maximum limit possible, regardless of how much you owe on each of those services. Most take the position that - assuming you used every dollar of credit that has been extended to you - could you pay it back in a reasonable time. For someone living above their means, closing out accounts that could rack up extra debt is a smart decision for the bank as that line of credit is no longer open to them. Hilariously, Afterpay doesn't perform credit checks and doesn't generally report missed payments to CRAs (though it is unclear what they do if you default entirely) - anyone who signs up can use the service regardless of financial history (though the limit they allow you is quite low), so you could close your account to meet the bank's request and then immediately sign up to the service again without barrier (some other BNPL services do require credit checks though). So it would seem the only way a bank would even know you owed money to afterpay is if either: you list it as an active credit facility you have (most loan applications don't really have a category for BNPL options that aren't credit or store cards, so this isn't always required to be disclosed), or they see it on your bank account as an outgoing (which they won't, if your afterpay payment comes out of a different bank) End of the day, a bank is only going to take issue with you using afterpay if you're already a risky decision. If they've got an issue with you having a $500 afterpay account when considering your half-a-million-dollar mortgage application, you've got bigger issues.

You're playing pigeon chess here Brad. He's got his opinion and nothing is going to change it. He's assuming that a user of a BNPL service doesn't have the money available elsewhere to pay for those services, and that is the reason why they use the service. He clearly doesn't comprehend that many folk keep their money in things like Mortgage Offset accounts, so it is beneficial to leave the money in the offset account, rather than paying in full. Like - really - even if you have the money - why would you pay in full for anything, if the supplier permits you to pay it either by instalment or at a later date? Many large businesses that have 90 day accounts with trade suppliers don't pay until day 90 - because that's what is allowed and it's simply IRRESPONSIBLE MANAGEMENT OF CASH FLOW to pay things before they need to be paid.

It's still 'just a lazy river'. I don't think Rapids are going to be the big blockbuster feature that will tip in their favour. It's the equivalent of Malibu Stacey's new hat. There needs to be a REAL point of difference.

But that's just building Calypso again. that's the whole point - that's what Dreamworld have already said they don't want to do - it has to be a unique offering, not just immersively themed gardens because that's all calypso is! oh sod off.

Jesus you're bipolar. You can ignore all you want, i'll continue to reply to your dribble so others can see there is an alternate viewpoint than your own shareholder-motivated shitposting.

Yeah for annual passes, I don't really see it as any different than say - the Village memberships that were pay by the month on direct debit. Who said barren concrete lazy river? WnW has a lazy river. it's landscaped with lush gardens, and at various points had a few structures and props from movies. Structures created waterfalls and such, as well as a 'beach house' vibe at one end, but otherwise its just a long winding river that is nicely landscaped. If Dreamworld were to install a lazy river, with nice landscaping, a waterfall or two, some bridges overhead, maybe a few cabanas - the wouldn't really be offering anything different or better than WnW. So they'd be building something they already have down the road. However, if they built one with a wave machine (wave or extreme river), or a water dump, Or built it next to an aquarium of turtles and stingrays Or have it go through a tunnel of an acrylic aquarium (Those last images are from Singapore's Adventure Cove. In addition to the Aquarium aspects, they also have a water dump, and there is also a section of flume that is elevated over lower ground levels, and that flume is clear acrylic so it also has a see-through floor.) I'm not saying Dreamworld should copy what they have in Singapore either, i'm just saying there is more than one way to do a lazy river and plenty of additional effects and add-ons that you can put in that would give your product a point of difference people would want to try. Heck - provided they do all due diligence to determine if animal welfare is an issue, I'd be totally fine with them having an acrylic wall between lazy river and a tiger enclosure with a similar pool inside. Imagine swimming with Tigers - that would be a drawcard over Oxenford's "nice plants". The point is - they didn't rule out a lazy river because WNW has one, they said they don't want to build 'the same thing'. Yeah this conversation has been done to death. Nobody cares right now - the priority is the dry park. once they've got it on solid ground, i'm confident they'll look to improve the waterpark, but that. isn't. right. now. Well haven't you got your judgy pants on. Afterpay costs nothing to the consumer to use. Why in the hell would I pay $1000 today if I can split that into $250 payments every couple of weeks, thereby earning more interest on the money I have in my account rather than in theirs? I put most things on a points-earning credit card for points, but the credit card has 'up to 45 days interest free' and the 'up to' just means 'depending on the statement issue date' - so there is potential for the interest free days to be lower. I always pay the card off in full before interest accrues, but because the interest free days vary, sometimes i'll use a BNPL option because I get more time interest free. Yes, the system is ripe for abuse and there are people who use it because they can't afford it otherwise, and microloans can be harmful to people who overextend themselves... but being so generalised over every person who might choose to hold onto their money rather than paying in full is a stretch. You might as well tell people with a car loan or a mortgage that they're living above their means because they don't buy them outright.

Yeah what Tim said. You're contextualising it to suit your narrative. They don't want to build something that will just be the poor man's version of what the guy down the road already had (See also: Vortex vs. Wipeout), but they will do it if it can stand out with a point of difference - something better than the existing standard.

I'd be interested in seeing a breakdown of visitor numbers - who is buying a day ticket or a short term combo pass, vs. who is coming in with an annual pass (and how many of those are local postcodes). I don't think many people are making a choice on waterparks based on day-ticket prices, and would assume most visitors would secure a combo pass or similar, where the value proposition is a lot more convoluted. In my personal experience - The last time I visited WnW was a while ago. Pretty sure Jetstreams were still a thing as was the Fly \ Sky Coaster. The park has done nothing to make me want to return - even when I had a VR annual pass - MW and SW were still reasonably frequently visited - but just had no interest in going to WnW... A lazy river would be nice in WWW, but the wave pool is just as nice to sit and relax in and i've been to WWW multiple times in the past year.

A price increase is also overdue for WWW.

My first thought on KFF is potentially they're installing the rail line, but TS isn't impacted by that. TS is 6 days though, more than enough time to complete a bunch of tasks - i'm not across the operations manual so who am I to judge whether a week is a long enough maintenance period for a flat ride...?