DaptoFunlandGuy

please. tell me. in your opinion. by what metric is Sky Voyager well overdue for a new film? What constitutes "long overdue" in your opinion? Is there a specific timeframe for which you think a film should be changed? Should that timeframe be influenced by budget, funding, and popularity of the attraction, or should it be replaced regimentally at the same age in the cycle? How does the geographic location of the attraction influence the replacement interval of the film? What other factors are impacted by the Unique Geography of the Gold Coast, in your opinion?

I wasn't going to bother, but since we're boiling down to pedantry. You said "it's well overdue" (It. Is. Well. Overdue.) Not "it's well overdue in my opinion" I'm totally ok with not changing your mind about feeling like they're overdue for a new film, just as i'm totally ok with the original Aus film remaining as is. I simply asked by what metric you were determining it as overdue - as - the only metric I could compare it to would be the other flying theatres i've been on, all of which have had significantly longer runtimes than Dreamworld's current iteration. Not at all - just the closest available comparison for statistics. There isn't as much information available on some of the other flying theatres around the world, but if you can find some, i'd be happy to hear some that offer an alternate view on the age of the various films? (and i've just seen Tricoart has added some of the more accessible installs, so i'll just add: Flyover Canada opened in 2013 and continues to show the canada film, alternates with Flyover Iceland, and switches out seasonal films for halloween and christmas Flyover America opened in 2016 and continues to show the USA film, alternated with the Canada film from 2017, and from 2020 showed the Hawaii film as it's alternate (continues to show USA) Flyover Iceland opened in 2019 and currently shows the Iceland film and "Believe Chicago" Flyover Las Vegas opened in 2021 and shows The Real Wild West, Flyover Iceland, Believe Chicago and Canadian Rockies. It proves all of the flyover installations continue to show their original install video, with seasonal alternates of some of the other regional films - even 11 years later!

The current iteration of Soarin' Around The World is run in 4 parks across two continents and three countries and is still universally popular DisneySea opened its version the same year SkyVoyager opened and regularly has the longest line in the park despite park visitation largely being local - the Kanto (Greater Tokyo) region has consistently hit around 70% of the parks overall attendance and well over 80-90% of park attendance coming from Honshu (big island). This leaves less than 10% of the parks visitation coming from other islands of Japan, as well as foreign visitation). *Foreign visitation has exceeded 10% for the first time in 2024 The population of Kanto is around 43M people (2010) and the park's annual visitation was around 27.5Million in 2023. I think you're grossly underestimating the amount of local, regular attendees to all four locations that visit the parks regularly. I'd give you even money on finding someone in the line in California for the attraction who hasn't seen it before on your first pick. I'd bet 100:1 on finding a first-time rider in Tokyo in a blind random selection (blind mainly because a foreigner is a little easier to spot in Tokyo vs California). As for Dreamworld, It is the one true family attraction that most of the family can ride and enjoy with almost universal appeal. Outside of enthusiasts, my friends and family who attend dreamworld regularly all identify SV as their favourite, and many of the kids each have their favourite parts. Just because people have seen it, doesn't mean it's overdue for a replacement. The same could be said for any other attraction on the coast that offers a similar ride experience on every ride - and yet many rides are ridden over and over again - why then is a flying theatre the only attraction subjected to the 'been there, done that' excuse?

Can confirm Dreamworld tends to have ST's second train available to deploy fairly often. I've seen them whip out the second train when the line got a bit long on a reasonably off-peak weekend. That said though, it's not like they have multiple multi-train coasters to manage, whereas until WOZ opens, every coaster at MW has multiple trains. Rebuilds do take time. I'd love to say that it's just bad luck that the second train you want them to put on is being rebuilt, but theres too many coincidences for that to ALWAYS be the case.

It looks like a nice umbrella. Can't wait to see what else they've dreamed up for this new land. (Will we see a coaster dynamix model like they did with Leviathan?) I'm sure most people understood the reference, but its still a bit weird to be objectifying the host of a teaser video wearing street clothes and construction PPE. She's not a paid model wearing a sequined gown draped over a new car specifically to appear like eye candy. The reference is dated (the episode first aired in 1993) and we've come a long way in 30 years that this level of objectification is just weird.

Vortex is probably the most limiting restraint in the park. Leviathan will accommodate you if you fit on Rivals or Taipan. Trident is even more accommodating than that. Storm is a weird one but again should be fine if you make the other big coasters. Jet Rescue will really depend on where you carry weight with your thighs needing to fit under the front of the restraint, but is otherwise fine.

It took me a hot minute to figure out ARB was referring to Anti Roll Back device, and it is obvious to me that my vocabulary is no longer on fleek. There's a really good chance if the park isn't running the second train, it's getting some level of work done to it - teardown \ rebuilds are constantly happening in the park maintenance area - gone are the days where the train in the maintenance bay could be whipped out whenever a significant line formed unless the maintenance team had planned very carefully for the second train to be available (which is why 2 train ops by default rarely happens outside of peak holiday periods regardless of how busy the park is). (Personally I like the click clack sound that accompanies a traditional lift hill, and honestly wouldn't have even realised something was different without it being pointed out.)

Well overdue? By what standard is it overdue?

Hard agree. There was a queue time website I saw a while back that showed the world's top queue times for the day. Top three were almost universally Tokyo Disneyland's Beauty and the Beast, Tokyo DisneySea's Soarin', and DC Rivals.

In that case I'll withdraw my remarks and apologise profusely for my assumption. Dreamworld standards aren't a thing, and the coroner's inquest made clear the park's methods weren't up to standards so the use of that phrase implied something 'dodgy'. I would have thought manufacturer standards and major inspection standards would be the two different levels that the rides could have been assessed under, and presumably without a teardown - they'd have followed the manufacturer's annual inspection standards?

Rivals is seen as one of the best Mack Hypers out there, and it barely pulls in the YouTubers, let alone Joe Public from around the world. A big Gyro is a claim to fame, but its more likely if it proves popular parks in other regions would build similar products - they'll be signing up to buy it if its successful. It's not going to result in a pendulum ride being the most popular in the park. There wasn't enough time for a full 10 year teardown on everything, but your implication that they fudged something after such an incident is a little distasteful. I've no doubt everything would have conformed to a manufacturer's annual inspection requirements and would have been overseen by externals. Here we are again reagitating years old incidents that nobody took issue with at the time...

A new addition to the park of an existing established ride model does not warrant a 30 minute press conference at IAAPA

It's been 8 years. The park has been through a pandemic, finalised the inquest, built a memorial, built two new rollercoasters and is in desperate need of a wet ride with the loss of both thunder river and also log ride - the closure of which was not directly related to the incident. And bear in mind an announcement of a new ride now means a build is probably 12-18 months off. How long should they wait before it's not 'too soon' in your mind? The release says 'new ride' so all of the existing models you've referenced are unlikely to play a factor. I don't think there's any chance its an upgrade to motocoaster or claw. It is possible a new ride will replace one of these, but the net ride count remaining the same isn't desirable. Claw is at the 20 year mark, so anything is possible. The line markings near claw are interesting, but may be unrelated. It would be disappointing for them to cram even more shit into ocean parade when they have the entirely vacant log ride land to utilise, to provide more balance to the park. I'd like to see them put something new over that side.

I also don't see the Rivertown restaurant which we know should be right next to the temple too... You're reaching.

The only thing I can think of is they struggled to recruit enough lifeguards to operate everything. It can't simply be a maintenance excuse after having ~6 months to get it done. Wedgie and Fully 6 are understandable, but everything else should be up and running.

Just bear in mind the forums aren't a live chat. Not everyone logs in every day to stay current and participate in the current chat in real time. I routinely avoid Parkz most weekends to spend time with my family and get things done around the house so things said friday night don't get replied to until Monday morning. The lateness of the reply doesn't invalidate someone's thoughts on a topic. (Though a mega bump on a topic that is long since settled after several months is a bit far, IMO) I'm 100% with you on this point. As for the rest - your choice of words is poor and shows your lack of knowledge on the topic. it is important to differentiate, and the fact you make comparisons to a circus, acknowledge the differences, but then say just continues to show your lack of awareness. The folks who work at tiger island are some of the world's most passionate supporters of tiger conservation and education, and continuing to compare them to circus performers is just downright insulting.

So far everyone has talked about how shit it is without knowing how it's going to be finished. And I'm not seeing many suggestions on how to finish it off? I've got one - Given how Tiger Island itself hid the non-themed parts of buildings, maybe they could head down to bunnings for a couple rolls of bamboo fencing, and everyone would be happy, yeah? Exactly, though given the progress, it would seem as though they aren't panelling the shed in the same way as the front of the temple, so I get the concerns - but it's still an unfinished job, and you know what they say about showing fools.

On this point, no. The gum tree gully canopy around JR isn't likely to suffer as badly as Levi is out on the spit - Keep the white shed - we've discussed colourbond colours and the queensland sun before - the darker colours aren't going to be kind to the temperature inside the shed, so white is fine - just hide it better.

This one irks me a lot - the final brake run could have benefitted from some love here for dual purpose - it would hide the maintenance building, but it can also potentially shelter the train on the brake run instead of baking riders in the sun if the train is stalled here for any reason. Given the fake greenery they've used elsewhere, a 'tunnel' of this greenery would be perfect here to hide the building, and make it look like you are diving back into the leviathan's lair.

I mean it kinda is. Ignoring Universal for a moment, who fit the similar 'movie park stage' exclusion you've offered up for Movie World - Disney's standards are the supposed benchmark for a fully themed, immersive theme park. And even they don't build themed facades around everything you can see from literally every angle in the park. Sometimes they paint it go away green, and call it a day. And that's ok.

Separating an aggressive dog from it's victim is done by whatever method is available. If a dog has a collar you would restrain it by its collar. But if you could only reach the tail, it would be an acceptable method to avoid the dog being violent. It is not a standard treatment, but a method of last resort. Choice of words intended to be inflammatory aren't helpful either. 'hitting it on the face' sounds much worse than 'open hand taps to the facial area' http://dogscience.org/workshop/cortap.shtml I can't believe we're re-agitating a 7 year old incident and trying to misinterpret actions by trained professionals to suggest the animals suffer worse treatment out of the public eye and imply it is the reason for another incident without knowing any of the circumstances.

You don't need a tunnel or diorama either.... just saying...

The highlighted section is false. There was no performance expectation on these animals at the time of the incident. Routinely animals are brought out to TI to simply 'exist' and not all animals are expected to demonstrate behaviours. IN fact even the animals brought into the public enclosure specifically for behavioural demonstrations are never forced to perform the behaviours asked of them. You've got a valid point on this. I have no inside information on Tiger Island, so I can't speak to their compliance with this guideline. On initial reading, it does appear that they weren't following these recommendations (but it is important to note that they are just that - guidelines, not rules.) - i've spelled this out in the next paragraphs so others may understand my thoughts, not to explain it back to you Akasha and Kai are siblings of opposite gender, and not from the same litter - though they were born the same year approximately 4 months apart. Kai is the bigger brother, but it was Akasha that was the aggressor. At the time of the incident, Akasha would have potentially just reached sexual maturity - aged 2, and Kai would have been nearly 2.5 years old. The guidelines state that siblings of opposite gender must be kept separated (obviously inbreeding is a concern) - as the cats were both likely sexually mature, I can only assume that they were either contracepted or (unlikely) neutered - though this part of the guideline only references mated 'pairs' after they have been retired from breeding programs - which would be unlikely given they were immediate siblings:

They do tend to do a pretty good job of hiding the shed from GP sightlines from within the precinct. Sure you can see it across the park from other vantage points, but I could see Nintendo Land from the Waterworld Show in USJ, so... there's only so much you can do. Heck - Disney just paints things go away green and calls it a day so maybe we just paint the back of JR green and move on? (then we can say the ride is 'disney standard'!