DaptoFunlandGuy

I know OF a flywheel, and i have a vague idea of what it is and how it works. Can anyone give a more detailed explaination of what a flywheel is and how it works, and also in particular, how it works for launching coasters and such?

I would have to say that Disneyland's Tomorrowland, in Anaheim CA. it is simple, but effective. I would also like to state that this is about 10 years ago. I don't like some of what Disney has done with Disneyland in the last few years. im not at all happy with the closure of the submarines, the retheming of haunted mansion or space mountain. Favourite ride of all time would be Space Mountain for Theming and overall experience, but thrills is definately montezooma's revenge in Knotts. Knott's have good theming in some areas as well, particularly the little "indian" area, but Tomorrowland takes the cake for me everytime.

i was just saying that, with the exception that it is inverted, and the lift hills are vertical, the design of the giant inverted boomerang, is almost identical to the standard boomerang.

Ok so to recap 'I' have never seen on another non-vekoma coaster "THEN DOING IT ALL AGAIN BACKWARDS." the only coaster out of that whole list up there that fits that description, with the exception of the boomerang model itself was the Deja VU. The Deja VU is THE SAME DESIGN as the Boomerang range, with the exception that it is INVERTED, and because of the inversion, the LIFT HILLS are different. This was simply a modification on an existing design - the design I was talking about. For those that are totally brain dead, I have attached pictures to illustrate.

i too have experienced this effect on Scooby, but I have seen Scooby's track, and knew about the tyre drive systems before it happened. essentially, if the braking system became non-functional for some reason, as Richard has said, the brakes would be locked up anyway, and you would not make it onto the lift staging area. Asides from this, I believe that Warner Village TP, with the exception of minor incidents on WWFalls (read: major fires destroying half the major lift hill) have a pretty good track record when it comes to maintenance. Anyone who is involved with WBMW - how often does maintenance conduct a full walk-through check of SDSC? I know at Wonderland maintenance essentially just cycled the ride a few times each before the day's operation, but Bush Beast usually got a full track-walk at least once a week... how often does SDSC get the same treatment?

Like so many other people, my vote is probably biased. i will vote for demon. In voting, I have taken into account the following: Yes. Demon is one of the most mass produced coasters in the world No. Just because its mass produced, doenst make it a bad coaster. Yes. It was mass produced because it was a GOOD coaster (and cheap too) I have been on cyclone 4 times. I have lost count of how many times I rode Demon. Cyclone's poor attempt at themeing has only gone downhill since it was created. Demon's theming suited the area, and allowing the area to fall into dereliction fit right with the theme. Cyclone's experience itself is mediocre at best, and this dulling of the senses is probably as a result of the hours of queue time you have just spent putting you to sleep. While it is a unique coaster, no individual element is itself unique. Demon, while it is a mass produced clone, has something I have never seen on another non-vekoma coaster - the boomerang element. not only is there nothing like going upside down, bending left, righting up, bending right, upside down, and then topping off a loop for good measure, but then doing it all again backwards! I have been on demon so many times, I can guarantee I have sat in every seat in every car. I can tell you exactly when it will drop from lift 1, AND from lift 2, no matter where I am sitting. I have myself operated this ride, and while it may have been a piece of crap, that was Sunway's doing, and no fault of the ride or the park it was in. Dreamworld goes "we're about to lose thunderbolt. we need another coaster in here so we dont lose our crowds to WBMW.... BUY THE BIG DIPPER ON THE CHEAP! WOO HOO!" yes wonderland bought titan second hand, but it wasnt a rush job because they thought they were going to lose business... Cyclone is a unique ride design, but it has no unique elements. its like a leggo kit - get a heap of pieces out of a box and join it together. Demon's boomerang was something unique to Vekoma at the time. you had to get it straight from vekoma, nobody else could make it for you...

I think it was jazzland or something in the states had a big old coaster, that everyone in the surrounding area tried and petitioned to save for years, with posters, t-shirts and the like, and eventually, they demolished it. it was a smallish coaster like a wild mouse or something, traditional wooden coaster, and they brought it down with a simple bulldozer...

ahhhhhhhh here comes the capacity issues again. I'd be interested to see a discussion put forth on the same IDENTICAL ride put in both DW, and WBMW, and how the different capacity issues would pan out - for example, (i know they're not the same, but similar coasters for comparison) Lethal Weapon - it has a really long alleyway to set the scene, observation area, outdoor queue line, "in-cinema" waiting area showing the movie, to get you further in the mood, then outside again to dogs barking, with plenty of props all over the place, graffiti, billboards to read, seeing the riders get strapped in, despatched, as well as seeing the riders come back, and the look on their faces terrorising you if you're a first time rider. then you get into the divided queue lines, more things to read, more of the ride to watch and listen to, as well as some very entertaining ride ops who do their best to keep you occupied. not to mention the overhead "police radio" for you to listen to, and any and all safety announcements the ops make. Cyclone - enter the first few metres of the spiral queue line and theres plenty of props and things to read, then you come out above the cyclone machine, and there are flashing lights that dont work, i beleive tehre is a blackboard lower down on the queue line, and then essentially all you have to look at is the cyclone machine, the people opposite you in the spiral, and idiots walking past you who are queue jumping. you get to the top where you stand there for a cycle, before an op comes and gets you, counts you on, the best theming of the ride with the bouncy floor and all the rest is wasted by the fact that you're rushed past it, to sit there and stare at blank, dark doors, until everyone has gotten off the train and clear of the exit. then and only then, do you see the train close up for the first time, with no previous instruction on how to get in, buckle up, loose articles etc. Now I dont think I have slewed these representations, and I think its a pretty accurate and concise description of the average experience on each coaster. Now as kenny said, we're talking about an IDENTICAL ride, proposed for each park.... regardless of capacity of the actual ride, which queueing design and entertainment system works better... and therefore - how long will the queue wait be PERCEIVED at WBMW compared to DW....

You know, i don't consider myself to be a "coaster freak" as such, but I am getting really sick of some of the members on this site slagging off about people who are fanatical about rollercoasters. TAKE NOTE OF THE WEBSITE ADDRESS Morons.

You know, i don't consider myself to be a "coaster freak" as such, but I am getting really sick of some of the members on this site slagging off about people who are fanatical about rollercoasters. TAKE NOTE OF THE WEBSITE ADDRESS Morons.

personally I feel that this attraction's position next to movie world will be its downfall. the majority of its patronage would be by the tour buses etc, and of course, predominantly international tourists. the problem is, when you stay at the gold coast, everything you want is right there, the beach, the hotel, shops, attractions... everything, including heaps of other things to do like sea world. Movie World and Wet N Wild mostly ride on the back of the three park super pass, and them along with dreamworld ride and rely mostly on transport systems such as the surfside tour buses. most people will not want to spend 40 minutes on a bus to see this style of show, and a meal, only to pack back onto a bus to go home. I dont know about everyone else but I dont want to have a hearty meal, and then jump on a bus to get my dinner jolted around on a bumpy tour coach to get me back to my hotel. i'd prefer take a stroll down the promenade to a restaurant, and stroll back to my hotel to walk off the thousand calories that I've just consumed... I think thats the reason why the original site would have been planned near sea world... perhaps an alternate site would be better, somewhere closer to the promenade...

paul - add me to your MSN dj_alex_b@hotmail.com - we'll talk turkey

an interesting article, but considerably more believeable if it were to come from SMH than Telecrap. at present, he has no site in mind, apparently no financial backing, and a very obscure concept at best. i'll get excited when he has property, money, and a more concrete idea of exactly what he plans to build. the concept itself doesnt give over much information as to what kind of attractions they will have. it sounds more like an educational walk-through adventure, such as old sydney town or the like, rather than a thrill destination. im not going to hold my breath on this, but perhaps my kids will go with their friends as teenagers to the opening day... we'll see what becomes of it, if anything. >>>Sidenote: Richard, you better redesign the forums to allow room for a Spyland subtopic... lmao.

perhaps another shifty clone?

that song is actually "production music". it basically comes as a bundled cd package with thousands of generic songs licensed for use by production companies in advertising etc. most of the songs are classified by what they're like, this one in particular is "upbeat parade", because, it is, well, suitable for an upbeat parade. it is most familiar to be hearing it while strolling down past the lake, from bounty's to dodgems, althought it was used throughout the park. i have attached a VERY VERY low quality version of the track for your pleasure. this file is distorted as all hell, mono, and really really cruddy. but its the only way to get it to upload. the original version is 256k stereo, without all the noise, and doesn't have the annoying beep tones at the start. if you have some interesting wonderland stuff i might be willing to trade on the full version....

no bus, i didnt think it was you. and no, bus, im not going to reply. i stand by my statements and im not getting into another immature little catfight with you.

i would be interested in seeing Dreamworld announce the return of Tony And Juleen Laffan. they had an exceptional stage show at wonderland, and Im sure Dreamworld could offer suitable accomodations to them as permanent residents. Tony brought both his act, as well as Casey The Clown to Dreamworld years ago, before moving to wonderland on a permanent contract. the show he did at wonderland, combined with periodic "houdini" style large scale illusions and escape acts was fantastic, and if Dreamworld were to sign Tony and Juleen again, it would be enough for me to move to queensland!

"insert two cents" Dreamworld is currently built on only part of the land it owns Wonderland was built on only part of the land it owned. I can accept that MLT are "in for the long haul" so to speak, but I seem to recall Stephen Galbraith saying the same words 3 years before wonderland announced its closure. This announcement talks only of a retail precinct to be constructed on the undeveloped land dreamworld owns, and a few new things here and there... all revenue raising mind you... While I understand dreamworld opened before wonderland did, and that Stephen Gregg and team have stated they are doing long-term planning, I can't help but notice the similarities to what is currently happening at dreamworld, and what happened at wonderland 5 odd years ago. having said that, it would be great to see dreamworld expand. I too, am offended, as was Richard, by the impression that Dreamworld will turn into a Disney style park, as nobody comes close, however, I am inclined to believe that this is more of the opinion of the writer than the park. the writer quotes "industry analysts". analysts who obviously don't know crap. and dreamworld has one hell of a spin on their "improvements". Mr Gregg talks wonderfully of how they have made their queueing system better by providing entertainment while you wait. now nothing can be done about the existing rides they own. thats a legacy from the parks creation. the river rapids ride is one example, and this was an inherent problem that Snowy River in Wonderland had also. the problem exists simply that you cannot make water flow any faster, and to put more rafts in the water simply clogs up the return chute. however the new rides they have purchased, while being record breaking, don't do well in regards to capacity and queue lines. Wipeout is a great ride, but it's cycle time, as well as the time it takes to load is just too long. ToT only holds .. what.. 15 people? GD is the same, low capacity, high turnaround time. cyclone was a design problem simply because the coaster was designed around a rocky cliff, so the entrance had to be up high. however other parks have coasters with a higher profile station near the top of the coaster, and don't have the same issues with capacity. the queue line design is just too ridiculous. The claw goes somewhat towards improving the park's overall capacity, because it doesnt take too long to load, but essentially dreamworld is now attempting (as a result, im sure, of people such as us complaining constantly about park queue lines) to put a band-aid on a broken arm. you can't FIX the problems that exist by a bunch of tv's. the problem can only be rectified by redesigning the queue lines that exist, and putting more planning, thought and effort in the design stage of each ride that is installed prior to its construction, rather than build it, and then go "ummmm.... people need to get on this... oh i know, we'll put in a spiralled ramp all the way to the top with a cyclone thingy inside it. for anyone that has used Roller-Coaster tycoon or other similar games, you will have experienced at one time or another a problem where you have built this awesome coaster, only to realise that you can't fit in a suitably sized queue line because of landscaping or other obstacles, or you dont have enough room to put in a long enough queue, OR that the ride takes too long to cycle that even with a full length station, to fit 3 full length trains, there is still a gap between when the last train leaves and the first one comes back. i think by now its pretty certain that dreamworld reads these forums... lets hope they get some ideas from us. we complained for ages about shocking queue times and capacity, they came back with lcd tv's. lets give them some ideas that WORK! also - i strongly hope that this isnt the beginning of the end, and that dreamworld isn't going down wonderlands path, even if its another 10 years yet...

yes wonderbus, i did.

Johno, would you consider allowing Mickazee to copy it to the web for all our benefit? where abouts are you located? i know how treasured a posession it is, and we would definitely NOT want to deprive you of such a valued item, but the information and photographs contained within are a priceless memory of how the park once was... im sure between all of the forum users that we could arrange to have it copied for everyone's benefit. I have decided I am not going to post the wonderland music on this site, nor am i going to distribute copies of the cd, but I might be able to trade you a copy for the access to the book to have it copied...?

what i meant in terms of a "Fake name" is an id created by an already existing user, wanting to utilise this name to back up the original posts of another user, and not simply a "screen name" to cover a persons "real name" ok so now we have - a control panel of buttons, then levers, then control panels AND levers, then a control panels and ONE lever. I am aware i have never been "employed" as an operator of bush beast, but I have still operated the ride. I was also in the park on its very first day of operation - its "pre-operation" day, on november 2nd, as well as its next operation day, november 9th, 1985. since then i have been to the park many times a year, for every year and seen the park move from design to design. Find me an operator from opening season that says different, and i'll believe it. the brake runs were originally controlled from the brake end of the platform.

gotta be quick on here mate.... but thanks for the info none-the-less. i had a look at the video. not exactly the best weather for the filming of what they're going to put in as a "new in 2005 ride"

well see now, theres an inconsistency there. you say they're buttons, ruddegar says they're levers. im not inclined to take either word for it so im afraid i have to disagree until further proof is provided. considering i have recollections of this control being used to bring the train back into the station, and also since ruddegar was a fake name used by Bart Simpson in the episode "be like the boy", im inclined to believe it is also a fake name here. agree to disagree at this point Bus.

hate to break it to you imperial, but wonderbus beat you to it by a month or so...

as far as getting cheated out of your money, Richard gave his HOME ADDRESS. he is also the registered owner and webmaster of the roller-coaster.com.au domain. other posts in this site also list what he studies, and where. i cannot see how anyone could possibly suspect Richard, particularly a long-standing member such as yourself nebuchanezzar, of cheating us out. How long do you plan to have these in production Richard, i won't be looking at one until january... bit short on the greenstuff... u know? i would like to see a wonderland tribute calendar as well... any idea of that in the future?