DaptoFunlandGuy

Where the cows go 'bong' ?

Even without going through Storm as you suggest, the footprint is a pretty easy out-and-back coaster layout. Put your station where flume station was, lift hill goes roughly along the splashdown route and then layout, return, brakerun, done. Not sure families would agree with you - Trident is still pretty confronting for people - especially due to the height.

I didn't realise we had quotas? 😮

@moderator needs a like button. 🤣

For the record that was my entire point in that example: Removing the risk where practical. You say practical because many things are possible but it doesn't mean it should always be done just because it is possible. I have trained in Working Safely at Heights for over a decade so my safety conscious side understands where you're coming from but i'm also a realist and "the absolute most safest solution" isn't always practical. A handrail cannot be installed on a train track. Inspections sometimes require access to areas that cannot be made intrinsically safe. The video you provided showed him using a redundant safety line, and he was inspecting items inside the lift rail\channel at a distance of about 8 inches from the track. Heck - maybe he normally does that with the safety car right beside him but they moved it for filming purposes? He's clearly not on his own up there and help would quickly arrive if he were to fall onto his safety lines. As for the other videos - i'll give you the following: We're all well aware that safety regulations in other countries are less strict than our own One of the videos you tagged was literally titled 'illegal' so I don't think you can point to that as being an accepted standard Ride safety has certainly come a long way and you can see that in newer rides and retrofits to existing rides - Green Lantern's ladder is a perfect example of a practical resolution to a risk that wasn't considered or engineered for even 10 years ago As for foreign maintenance workers - just like risk management, there are ways to remove, reduce, and control the risk. You're clearly very passionate about maintenance being done properly and I can't fault that at all, but to suggest that all foreign maintenance workers would somehow be yahoos or cowboys when almost every ride in Australia was designed and built by foreign companies who just so happened to write the maintenance manuals followed by Australian engineering and maintenance teams. It's all academic anyway as it's not actually going to happen like that for reasons already covered.

They're not falling down 30 metres.

They could fit Surfrider in there pretty easily. They clearly have no interest in operating it at WnW. The castle is iconic, sure. But we've seen numerous examples of new attractions being neutered by trying to make them fit into existing buildings - SkyVoyager - I believe planned for 4 modules, the six modules is 'too full' for the screen size Storm Coaster - I believe during construction they had big issues with the relatively high water table adding much to the cost Justice League - To fit into the existing BA:TR footprint, we got the 'poor cousin' of the Justice League attractions Scooby and JDS are examples of reusing existing space without compromise, although I dislike the JDS use. In short, If they came up with an attraction well suited to the castle space without compromising the experience, sure. But if we're keeping it because "OMG it's so iconic!!!" isn't a good enough reason. Sea World's biggest issue with new attractions is finding the space, and the castle takes up an enormous amount of prime real estate leading to choke points and traffic management nightmares through the mid-station area of the park. There is a massive amount of space that could be freed up if this was levelled. The castle and flume area occupies about half a hectare \ 1.3 acres of land.

well that does look much safer. Totally impractical for track inspection - but what else can you do? https://youtu.be/YjBIG7JXYBk

That's a set of steps just to the right of the track. How else do you think they'd evac the train if the lift stalled? It's obvious the components he's inspecting are inside the cable lift channel and aren't able to be inspected from the steps, which is why he's doing it the way he is. You can't put a walkway inside of the track... (Here's Green Lantern for comparison...) What does this even mean? the entire area has no fall from height risk. The infill panels ensure that. Sure, they can trip and tumble down the stairs and it won't be a pleasant ride to the bottom but it won't kill them. I'm all for making things safe, but elimination is not the only solution to risk management. I agree the US and other jurisdictions don't take it as seriously as we do, but sometimes we do stupid things in the name of safety - like bondage suits on shockwave, perspex roof frames on a log ride...

isn't that just because Main Event was divested from the group? it sounds like the end of financial year would be a good time to effect the change, no?

The park tends to get slammed for the Thanksgiving period at the end of November, so most of the month is weirdly quiet, but most things are open in preparation for the holiday.

You generally lay a slab for the trailer to park on...

The last time the park built a flat ride, everyone lost their fucking minds that it wasn't a coaster. Movie World definitely has a high number of coasters and needs more flats, so it is a good solution... it just won't be a popular one. was the eye a portable ride though? like sure, they relocated it and always intended to, but wasn't it cemented into the ground? it's a bit different to a trailerised carnival ride...

That's the issue though - in the past when planned maintenance occurs without other issues arising, there's no need to fill the gaps. It's when multiple attractions go down unexpectedly, or are down for longer overhauls where you start getting overlaps and gaps appear. You couldn't announce these sorts of things months beforehand because you wouldn't know it was going to happen until last minute. This is the big thing here because currently the maintenance is spread over 12 months with the current level of staff. If you compress that into 1-2 months, you need 6-12 times the number of staff to complete it in the shorter timeframe. Naturally this depends on what the ride is, who it is suitable for and how much space \ power it needs. In no particular order, I can imagine fitting a few trailer\portable rides into the park across these locations: Grass outside Superman near fountain Grass\Paved area outside Superman's exit ramp Road to studios (used during fright nights to get to the sound stages) The sound stages and surrounds themselves if not in use Main Street courtyard (see also: Boost Juice etc) The pathway behind boot hill (which is a back of house area but could be made guest accessible if needed) Smaller kiddie attractions could also be dotted around existing pathways if they have a compact footprint (like a teacups or rockin tug) which would also supplement the park if they were to close WB Kids for a full overhaul. I'm just saying what could be possible. Let me reiterate: A quick check on Sixflags.com reveals Apocalypse is currently closed for refurbishment. The park doesn't have a publicly listed maintenance schedule, so it's difficult to plan around specific attractions if you're keen to ride them. You're also looking at a park in the tail end of their busy summer season, with August their third busiest month. The Matterhorn closed on August 8th, and has no re-opening date. When I mentioned earlier about all the mountains being closed in 2013 - Big Thunder was down for a massive refurb, and even had a tower crane on site (I could literally here park fans screaming "sight lines!" everywhere I went). All the big attractions do have big refurb periods from time to time - most people just don't notice it because one major missing from the day doesn't leave a hole in the lineup. Disney are smart about maintenance though. They have an entire third shift many other parks don't, and you can't just exclude overlay closures because while thematic changes occur for overlays, a lot of the nuts and bolts maintenance things get done at the same time. But they do expect to be able to go on a ride. And in some cases lately, that has been sorely lacking.

The temp SkyFlyer looked horrible, and the restraint system was quite restrictive. I think Speed as a choice is probably a bit low capacity as a replacement for literally anything on the coast. I think overall i'd prefer if they didn't bring carnival rides in (except Olympia Looping - I'm sure many would sell their left nut if that ever travelled here), but at the same time if they had massive downtimes across multiple rides beyond their control, i'd applaud them for doing something to fill the gap. In several parks, Pooh is more popular than some of the mountains. The mountains can and have all gone down at once though... I visited Disneyland about 9 years ago (would have been april\may 2013?) and OSHA had just slammed the park for safety violations if I remember correctly. They were required to shut down Matterhorn, Space Mountain and Soarin'. Big Thunder was down for regular annual maintenance, and Splash had gone down earlier in the day unexpectedly. This was literally all the mountains out of action on the same day. It was my wife's first trip to Disneyland - and you know what? She had a blast. (We did have several days at the resort, so we made the most of our first day getting many of the dark ride suite in fantasyland, pirates, Mansion, Tom Sawyer, Indy, Buzz, and the rest of DCA etc. Everything except Space was back up the following day. Space reopened at 6pm on our last day and we rode non-stop until midnight.)

You asked for the other comparisons. That's hardly 'walking away'. It isn't false. Your stance on promoting a charitable cause as part of a news article is that it: quote "seems insincere..." and "immoral" that in the end is "for the sake of monetary gain". Yet you are defending a park charging full price, but delivering half the product. That's not fuel to the fire, that's illustrating your contradiction. This is despite the park's customers, other enthusiasts, and every other major chain you cared to name doing precisely what I suggested, simply because YOU don't feel like its an issue. So while you might think you're clever paraphrasing my earlier advice to you - there is no room. It's just you. The only other folk who have added to this particular thread of discussion have supported my point of view. You're on your own... again. You asked a question. I provided an answer. I backed that answer with examples. I gave examples of current best practice in the industry. You rejected my example so I gave more that were to your liking but showed the same thing. Despite the fact that you agreed if what I was saying was true they needed to address it, you're now unfathomably saying you won't be convinced - so on the off chance you don't walk away... which is it? And if you do respond - i'd like to ask a question - What do you see as the reasonable justification for continuing to charge full price admission to a park that doesn't offer the full experience?

:sigh: For a person who wasn't even aware this was an issue (and are likely unaffected by it as a passholder), you sure are fighting this one pretty hard. Disney was just easy as it was off the top of my head, is something most people are familiar with and are frequently held up as the standard to aspire to. The US SeaWorld parks have demand pricing with tickets ranging from $45.99 to $96.99. Legoland Florida costs $85 today, $90 the weekend of Halloween and $95 on Thanksgiving weekend. Knott's is $74 today, $79 the weekend of Halloween and $64 a week prior to Thanksgiving (the thanksgiving period is unavailable to purchase) Six Flags Discovery Kingdom offers one-day tickets ranging from $25 to $90 In summary - they all do it, not just the merched up moguls at Disney. Because charging your customer full price when you aren't offering a full product is a ripoff. Given your stance on promoting a charitable cause, i'm surprised you're such a polar opposite on this profit-making issue...

Fair enough mate - but perhaps its time to reconsider your view. If it were to end with 'magical healing product for 4 easy payments of $19.99' or 'this religious cult is the answer to all your woes' then sure. But articles that cover charitable causes that say 'i struggled, until I got help from a do-gooder, and now we're doing good for others, and you can help too!' are not the same snake-oil salespeople and shouldn't be grouped into the same basket. The story isn't twisted - your view is. Do good recklessly.

It's a movie quote which on reflection is quite dated for the average age of this forum. I wasn't suggesting you said it was, I was just pointing out that it wasn't hard to find evidence of it. Apologies for the confusion. I think you've misunderstood that part of the review. Tickets online are $10 cheaper than at the gate is what I read it as (because they are). If they are however offering the online price at the gate, they aren't really offering anything. Whether you SEE it or not, it IS a prominent issue, and to suggest that a 'year round park' is going to have closures, and that isn't a good enough reason to offer cheaper tickets when half the park is closed, just because it's off peak is laughable. Disneyland has SIX TIERS of pricing based on their expected peaks and current pricing online varies between $76 and $128 per day. Hong Kong Disneyland has peak and off peak pricing that varies EACH WEEK as mainland visitors pack the park Friday to Sunday.

Given I referenced off peak pricing, you can deduce from that that I'm not referring to annual passholders who visit all year for less than double the price of a day ticket. So you can bet that I was referring to those who might have travelled a long way, and only have one day (or limited money) to spend to visit a park. Adult admission to movie world for a single day is $109 at the gate. ($99 online, but probably carries a transaction fee). As a day visitor, you'll pay that price on Boxing Day, or a weekday in August. So you'll get a lot more for your buck if you don't visit off peak. Like it's hard? These were all posted to google in the past 3 days. ...and 4 out of 5 of those have 2 or less reviews on google - which tells you they specifically logged into google to leave a review for movie world - THAT is how strongly they felt about the issue...

White christmas and most of their other events like Hooray or Carnivale etc they've kinda got covered because of school holidays over those periods, but Fright nights for sure. The only other way to manage it is to go seasonal and get in a bunch of sub-contractors to get all the maintenance done in the off season, but I bet people would be complaining way more if the entire park was closed. It has been suggested before but perhaps they need to switch to an off-peak pricing in the low seasons when having multiple majors closed is more likely so people don't feel ripped off...?

it is neither a way to give him money, nor is it his business. It's a not for profit pursuing registration as a charity. If a victim of the bushfires started a NFP to support other victims of bushfires, and they did an interview talking about their experience in the fire, and ended it with a plug for a group \ activity that helped them... not die, would you be so callous? Regardless of your response or answer to that question - before you reply, read the room. I doubt you're going to convince anyone otherwise - you've made your point, others have disagreed with it - walk away.

🤔 what if Theme Park Worldwide = Gazza?

You're still young. give it time.

Circling back for a moment - you're saying that if it's done well, it doesn't matter if the theme is a bit old or irrelevant, right? but you do realise we're talking about Dreamworld here? Do you honestly think they could pull off Disney level standalones? And using Dreamworks as a quality yardstick is fine if you're dealing with a global property, but I don't think the folks in Fortitude Valley have quiet the clout to be able to command Dreamworks level standards. *beats head against wall*