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Fair, have your point, but I think you’re wrong. But I’d say everything you say is what is making people stupid with their overreacting.

I'm sorry but you'll never convince me that this is all over the top bullshit. Most people don't get vaccinated for the flu each year and it kills more people and this is what this will become, the common flu. The hysteria from media, panic buying groceries and closing all these things IMO only puts a greater strain on the health care system because people sneeze and they show up at a hospital to get tested, only putting them at greater risk of being in contact with someone who could have it.

Oh if I’d already booked and didn’t care about DL I’d still sure as hell be going. The hysteria is ridiculous and now with everything being cancelled and shut I think is over the top. It’s just the flu, have good hygiene and like you normally would with the flu, stay home and get better. I expect The Easter Show will now also end up being cancelled this year.

The world has gone mad. And I was planning a trip to Disneyland too with flights so cheap at the moment.

Yep, however I thought throughout the ride course itself with the rocks was actually presented quite ok. Its just yeah the main part where people are being the queue and station is shit. Like how tough, or extra cost could it have been to build either an aged looking shed, or wooden beach shack with some old netting, boat motor hanging from the roof or anything left over SW Research & Rescue could have donated.

That's why I said an earlier SW but bring JR forward. I think ride presentation wise is fine, but the queue house and station is presented very poorly.

Mine too would have been Ferris wheel era... Just add in Jet Rescue, but not the gas line to Bermuda and to me the park had tons of kinetic energy flowing through it!

Someone's sole job to watch the ride, especially the conveyor since a lot of emphasis was put on doing this, could have helped, they could have seen the raft stuck and started a shutdown of the conveyor until it could be moved. Not like how it was previously run, do your job of loading or unloading, plus watch over the main control panel or conveyor at the same time. Might as well tell MW they can cut back on their staff on West because its control system was completely upgraded recently. Really, no matter how modern and automated it might be, IMO someone should always have the sole job of watching the main control panel and CCTV of the ride. That would be my guess why MW has one person always stationed on the main controls of every major ride at their park and at SW too, especially if the ride is in constant operation like TRR was. I'd actually love to hear from previous VRTP employees who might have an idea exactly why their parks don't have their operators doing two high priority tasks at the same time. It would also follow the practice of most major parks I have seen. But then again its clear DW didn't like following the practices of every other major theme park operator in the world.

What struck me with this ride, with as complicated as it was to run why did DW only run it with 2 ops. We obviously know cost cutting. But it should have always at least had 3. One on the control panel watching CCTV and keeping an eye on the conveyor, one on load and one on unload. In the same way West has three people working in the stationary and four in peak periods, with the fourth person working as a grouper. And let's not forget West has someone in the turntable room. I always think if the ride had also had three people working along with more modern automated systems running would have gone a long way to prevent this.

The problem I have is for the rides or shows that were replaced just aren't as good as the originals, and that's not nostalgia talking. I wish most of these rides could have stayed and instead they had of just been as Disney put it "plussed" to bring them into the modern world. There was nothing really wrong with BT until the gas line was cut and never fixed. Only Scooby was a great replacement. JL comes close but the ride feels too slow with an underwhelming end. If the ride vehicles had of done something more than just move slowly along you'd have a great replacement. Our rides now miss that great build up and anticipation of getting to the actual ride that BT, LT and Batman had and that Disney continues to use to tell the story.

You also forgot Looney Tunes River Ride, Gremlins Adventure, Police Academy, the ski show, and the train at Sea World.

^ But does it replace the TRR, Wipeout or ToT?

I don't know if it would fit, but I always thought a Mad House would be great in the old cinema, use the old LW queue for it and it would be the perfect theme for that ride being in Arkham Asylum.

True, but rides that are massive in size, in terms of people eaters usually have groupers or a greeter, someone at the entrance to check heights... The staff member on the preshow can take this job on having a dual role rather than just standing at the entrance. At its busiest, Scooby has a greater and grouper. And isn't this how Batman was run? Take a group through where you can check heights, play the preshow and then they would group them into their simulators before they would go into the Batcave. So staffing levels never actually increased?

But LTRR was for little ones and for families, and for kids and for families with little ones and kids, for a group of adults visiting the park. Hell the ride was simply for everyone. Which is what you need mixed in with flats, some for little ones and some for kids a little bigger.

I'd presume Tim doesn't mean build a new show stage, but rather use the existing LTRR one, wiping out driving school and put the dark ride in there.

Completely disagree, because Storm works perfectly as a family thrill and as a step up from BT, but just shy of the extreme thrill rides. Plus I think for what the ride is its themed quite well, if it just had the fire effects like the concept render showed it would be the cherry on top. The park would have been well complemented having the two living together in harmony at the park. One a dark water ride and the other a more thrilling water roller coaster with themed elements. And let's not forget at one stage the park was looking at placing Storm elsewhere (albeit out into the carpark).

Makes you think with some TLC what ours could have looked like. Its a shame SW didn't really have the space for BT and Storm to both live in the park together.

Wait, Greg has gone to Dreamworld? I knew he had left VRTP, but not where he had gone.

I think the fact that being a real young young and the show involving a helicopter took my imagination... Also I'd say when you have an attraction like BT delayed this what you do offset upsetting customers.

I think the best seasonal night show we've seen from the parks is the night show SW used to run over Summer back in the 90's on their lake... Which is saying something considering the 90's were how many years ago now?!

If they were to keep theatre space from LW I'd love to see them use the space for a Vekoma Mad House if it would fit and use the old outdoor LW queue for it: https://www.vekoma.com/mad-house It's a dark ride and one you can theme and make immersive. Exactly one of the things MW needs right now.

I feel like MW ride ops have said here before they’ve had to train for E-Stop Evacs? But they’d need to confirm that. I also remember when AA had its stop when the chain broke, MW stated the Fire department trained with MW for that kind of evacuation.

Re-read DJRappa's post. Taking away from what's been stated at the inquest the blame lays with the systems in place, for both the PLC, staffing and in-house modifications. VRTP's don't run with such practices and therefore the causes of this accident don't pose a problem to them. Not to say that there couldn't be an accident, but not what we're talking about here. Let's take WWF as an example, not completely comparable, but close enough. They run with a loader/unloader and control op who oversees the whole area and CCTV's. If this ride was at DW you'd more likely see just an unloader and loader who also has to look after the main panel. WWF also has an op at the turntable, now from people who worked the ride and have spoken about it on here MW didn't need to have one there, it was just a recommendation and they followed said recommendation. Being DW they would probably think a CCTV camera would be good enough. We've seen from the inquest DW were given recommendations and ignored them, MW followed them.