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I think the point being made is Dreamworld should have a future. Ardent should not.

Just looking at how bare across the road is, I'd still love to see them lease that land, give them the needed extra space to expand, make that area through there look nice, just mandate they have to put a boardwalk along the beach boundary so people can still walk along that area.

Please elaborate on the multiple times? I'm really curious and love to hear your examples. We know of one instance, and that was an issue to do with S&S designing their cars and wheel bogies poorly. Hah I was beaten to it @rappa said exactly what I was thinking.

Considering the Gold Coast tourism industry needs both park operators, they were already investing in building new rides for their markets and this virus was out of their control, I don't have a problem with the government kicking the can a little bit for them like they have with the airlines.

What about Singapore they're being heralded as handling it the best and Universal Studios has managed to stay open?

I am being logical, the negative consequences are massive. Since when has a government package ever been enough in times of financial crisis? Again, I didn't say, not act, I just said don't go to the over the top extremes they are now. Look at the end of the day you'll never change my opinion that the world has gone mad, and the hysteria is being pushed to the extreme and that this is actually doing us more harm than good and is leading us in the end to a higher death toll than we could end up with. Obviously you'll never change your opinion that this is the right thing to do, be damed of the other consequences, even if they end up having a more negative impact on you in the future than this virus had. So, I'm just going to leave it there, and at the end of this, however long from now, one of us get to say "I was right".

Because that treatment always works so well doesn't it? Or the mental health for bushfire victims that's already been scaled back? The ASX lost $162 billion in one day. Don't think the government financial assistance can fix all that?! And I'm talking about a 2 week shutdown. I'm talking about a full blown recession that we're accelerating. The economy was on a knife's edge before, this will not end good, there are studies about the death toll from the GFC and we're seeing falls worse than that. Cars, marketing, retail, dining, entertainment just to name a few were already struggling. With all these big events cancelled what about the knock on effect it has to businesses that relied on them. The Royal Easter Show has asked for a hand out, the NRL has (and pretty much been knocked back) and before you say NRL are big and they should have planned for this better? Sure, but what about the small business around them that rely on them? The players that have mortgages... The list goes on. Not every industry or business can get a hand out and that's where the mental strain comes into effect. I didn't say we shouldn't be doing anything, we should be doing plenty, especially to help protect the elderly and those with health risks that make them more susceptible. Those people should isolate, nursing homes should lock down, if you have the cold or normal flu, stay away from people. I just think right now we've gone too far to one extreme to make people happy and feel safe, be damned with the other consequences, we'll blame them on Corona and put a band aid over it and make it look like we're doing something about that too. No it's not a virus, but the two are linked here.

And when the death toll is higher from people committing suicide from an up the shit economy over the death toll from Corona? But hey at least you guys feel safe right now.

And what about how the health care system could be overwhelmed by every dumb Tom, Dick and Harry who sneezes and runs off to the hospital thinking they have it because of how much they’re being scared by it. Or leading to a recession by our carry on and the deaths that result in that. And what about how officials say this isn’t going away, this virus is going to become the norm like Swine Flu, how long are we meant to shut everything down for then? Until the vaccine is available in a year? And surely everyone realised keeping things closed that long is unattainable. Lets remember Swine Flu became so common they just stopped testing for it and said if you’ve got the flu stay home unless it gets worse, then visit a hospital.

^^ That’s what I agree with. If health officials say most of the population will end up with this and will end up in circulation like so many viruses before it why are we crippling our economy even further. ScoMo can’t bail every industry out of this hole.

Good.

Fair, have your point, but I think you’re wrong. But I’d say everything you say is what is making people stupid with their overreacting.

I'm sorry but you'll never convince me that this is all over the top bullshit. Most people don't get vaccinated for the flu each year and it kills more people and this is what this will become, the common flu. The hysteria from media, panic buying groceries and closing all these things IMO only puts a greater strain on the health care system because people sneeze and they show up at a hospital to get tested, only putting them at greater risk of being in contact with someone who could have it.

Oh if I’d already booked and didn’t care about DL I’d still sure as hell be going. The hysteria is ridiculous and now with everything being cancelled and shut I think is over the top. It’s just the flu, have good hygiene and like you normally would with the flu, stay home and get better. I expect The Easter Show will now also end up being cancelled this year.

The world has gone mad. And I was planning a trip to Disneyland too with flights so cheap at the moment.

Yep, however I thought throughout the ride course itself with the rocks was actually presented quite ok. Its just yeah the main part where people are being the queue and station is shit. Like how tough, or extra cost could it have been to build either an aged looking shed, or wooden beach shack with some old netting, boat motor hanging from the roof or anything left over SW Research & Rescue could have donated.

That's why I said an earlier SW but bring JR forward. I think ride presentation wise is fine, but the queue house and station is presented very poorly.

Mine too would have been Ferris wheel era... Just add in Jet Rescue, but not the gas line to Bermuda and to me the park had tons of kinetic energy flowing through it!

Someone's sole job to watch the ride, especially the conveyor since a lot of emphasis was put on doing this, could have helped, they could have seen the raft stuck and started a shutdown of the conveyor until it could be moved. Not like how it was previously run, do your job of loading or unloading, plus watch over the main control panel or conveyor at the same time. Might as well tell MW they can cut back on their staff on West because its control system was completely upgraded recently. Really, no matter how modern and automated it might be, IMO someone should always have the sole job of watching the main control panel and CCTV of the ride. That would be my guess why MW has one person always stationed on the main controls of every major ride at their park and at SW too, especially if the ride is in constant operation like TRR was. I'd actually love to hear from previous VRTP employees who might have an idea exactly why their parks don't have their operators doing two high priority tasks at the same time. It would also follow the practice of most major parks I have seen. But then again its clear DW didn't like following the practices of every other major theme park operator in the world.

What struck me with this ride, with as complicated as it was to run why did DW only run it with 2 ops. We obviously know cost cutting. But it should have always at least had 3. One on the control panel watching CCTV and keeping an eye on the conveyor, one on load and one on unload. In the same way West has three people working in the stationary and four in peak periods, with the fourth person working as a grouper. And let's not forget West has someone in the turntable room. I always think if the ride had also had three people working along with more modern automated systems running would have gone a long way to prevent this.

The problem I have is for the rides or shows that were replaced just aren't as good as the originals, and that's not nostalgia talking. I wish most of these rides could have stayed and instead they had of just been as Disney put it "plussed" to bring them into the modern world. There was nothing really wrong with BT until the gas line was cut and never fixed. Only Scooby was a great replacement. JL comes close but the ride feels too slow with an underwhelming end. If the ride vehicles had of done something more than just move slowly along you'd have a great replacement. Our rides now miss that great build up and anticipation of getting to the actual ride that BT, LT and Batman had and that Disney continues to use to tell the story.

You also forgot Looney Tunes River Ride, Gremlins Adventure, Police Academy, the ski show, and the train at Sea World.

^ But does it replace the TRR, Wipeout or ToT?

I don't know if it would fit, but I always thought a Mad House would be great in the old cinema, use the old LW queue for it and it would be the perfect theme for that ride being in Arkham Asylum.

True, but rides that are massive in size, in terms of people eaters usually have groupers or a greeter, someone at the entrance to check heights... The staff member on the preshow can take this job on having a dual role rather than just standing at the entrance. At its busiest, Scooby has a greater and grouper. And isn't this how Batman was run? Take a group through where you can check heights, play the preshow and then they would group them into their simulators before they would go into the Batcave. So staffing levels never actually increased?