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The article quotes someone from fairwork? that said the report would only be made available if an issue of negligence was raised and movieworld was taken to court over it (in which case, the report would be included in documents filed). Also mentioned they didn't think it was the right course and they didn't have anything to answer for. Seems it was pretty close to what I said, unless the government deems there is a case of negligence to answer for and movieworld are taken to task, it looks like we won't actually get a look at the report into the failure. If that doesn't happen, best we could hope to have happen is it's leaked or maybe someone tries to apply for the report under freedom of information act.

They build test tracks because they have to confirm that designs computer models have simulated perform as expected. Not the other way around is the point I made, the computer simulations have replaced testing as the primary analysis. Especially in the case of a newly manufactured component. Yes, with real world testing you can test it to complete destruction without having to worry about loss of life if the part caused a catastrophic failure, but they are only testing the component to support the data they already have from models. Have you seen them testing before with all the equipment? It's pretty crazy, all sorts of monitoring devices, strain gauges, stress gauges, load cells, accelerometers, inclinometers. It captures so much data you can compare something as simple as running the guide wheels a little loose, or even the difference in newly packed/replaced vs previously run bearings. FYI. Codes of practice aren't legislation, they are guidelines outlining things health and safety compliancing and issues. You can have a ton of codes that aren't even approved by work safe but are adopted by industry, which basically gives them no power to be acted against. It's the ACT's that hold all the power. Australia is one of these countries that are a victim of their own development and prosperity. We don't have the money to ensure that everything that comes into the country is tested to comply with our relevant laws and safety standards. It's the primary reason we suddenly hear about things like crayons containing asbestos when they have been on the shelf and sold for years. Instead, what we tend to do is if the item being imported has been tested (and you supply these documents) by a relevant agency or body in the country of manufacture, we use their testing results and assume everything was done correctly. It's often not until someone has an issue with a product that the ACCC is called in to investigate claims. It has caused quite a bit of issue recently with the auto industry because the chinese crash tests are not at all like the australian ones. The amount of deformation encountered while still passing their tests is shocking. So we have a bunch of chinese produced vehicles like great walls, chery and tata's running around with reported high levels/marks of safety, when in fact, some didn't even pass an equivalent australian test. It's quite alarming because you can sometimes find little oversights like this buried in things like free trade agreements australia has with other countries. We are essentially signing our high levels of safety away to foreign countries in the interest of making more money

No, I meant If they are running, go out and have a look up close. If they made changes and/or replaced anything in the bogeys, you should be able to see it as cars go up the lift if you get right up close to the fence. The footage we have seen of it running isn't close enough to see if anything might be different.

It can actually. Running a car on a test track is only going to simulate that it is operating correctly at that given point in time. Even with accelerometers and stress gauges monitoring operating, it's virtually impossible to test to failure. You are talking tens of thousands of hours of specified usage before failures might occur. How do you do this? if you ran it 8 hours a day and absolutely nothing else on your test track, it would take you years to test something to failure again. That's where computer simulations come into it, they can simulate years of running based off actual data they have taken during testing to pin point failure. Testing on your own track also doesn't factor in the environment which makes a hell of a difference, especially in a hot and UV extreme climate like australia. Anything that ever happens on test tracks is likely to confirm the operational data that the computer spits out. Not the other way around. They already know how a component should perform, it's designed for a purpose and function and they test it for a certain period; say enough time for the daily, weekly and monthly inspections to pass, so they can say that the component is performing as should. If it passes, it passes. There is no reason to think that a component should fail one month if it passes the previous one. It doesn't have to be run for years before it gets to that stage. If it was the opposite, that essentially invalidates specified scheduled servicing. They maintenance schedules are based off a calculation of the life of components and any adjustments that may need to be made. Some of these might only be quarterly, bi yearly, or yearly. That's a whole lot of time in between if you didn't know exactly what was going to happen. It's also exactly why critical components on roller coasters are replaced BEFORE the lifetime of the part, and anything that goes back into service is crack tested and inspected for defects. I imagine that's why plays a massive part of yearly shutdowns we see. Everything is disassembled, cleaned and sent out for testing where need be. Then everything is rebuilt and components are replaced before being returned to service. Same thing happens in track design, they can calculate the highest load sections of track without even having to leave the building. If you've watched them crack testing a track, they don't do the whole thing. Everything is given an actual inspection for visual defects, but only the sections with the highest loads that pose the greatest risk are stripped to bare metal and crack tested. The rest, if there are no visual signs of fatigue, pass. To put it another way. You buy a car expecting it to run for at least 10+ years (or more!) with scheduled maintenance. Do you think the manufacturer ran the vehicle for 10 years, or do you think they simulated a lot of data and relied on component manufacturers supplying them with parts and components designed to last a specific lifespan? It would take 15-20 years to design and test a vehicle before it was even released. To see how much of an impact computers have had on structural design, you only need to see how long it used to take to design and build a chassis, test it to destruction, then put it into service. Cars used to take 10-12 years from concept stage to the final product release, these days, completely new models (not just a visual change, but a whole new or modified chassis) are done within 3-4 years. When you break down a car into how many components it contains and just how complex the electrical systems have become, having to communicate with so many modules and controllers, it's really not a whole lot different. Design, build, test. If it passes reasonable use and all the data backs up your test phase, you release the product. If failures occur in operation, an amendment is released and a component is replaced with a new updated one. We have the same recalls in the automotive industry, lots of stuff that should meet expectations fails in the real world. Aside from a few really public things recently, most recalls happen without damage to the vehicle or loss of life. Everything about a coaster would be the exact same principle, just scaled up because the chance of a critical failure occurring and endangering life is greater (just like on an aircraft). I don't think we have to worry anything at all about if old cars were used on green lantern. At the very least, given the down time, they would have required yearly inspections anyway, so even if there wasn't an almost catastrophic failure, they would probably have gone through a major rebuild anyway. Couple that with what ever failed, it would be pretty safe to say that while the cars may visually look the same (even dirty), it's the stuff under them that is where the work would have been done. Driving past this afternoon it looks like they had a car on the lift hill. If someone is out that way during the day, stop by and see if they are doing any running.

Out of the big franchises, keeping with the well loved zombie theme, what about resident evil? If they wanted to really go after the mature crowd and kick the kiddies to the side by ratcheting up the horror quite a bit, id flip my lid if they did something with the Hellraiser series. Brings with it a host of gore and sadism though, so maybe a little too much for movieworld to handle. Everyone loves pinhead until you actually meet pinhead. A squad of cenobites roaming the park with a puzzle box maze would be horrific (and delicious!). Edit: heres a bit of a run down on the cast of characters you could pick from, for those not so familiar with the series. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NT1_VlKEqA

Regardless of the end result. Somewhere, someone is going to end up with one hell of a bill. Most likely it'll all end up with insurance companies footing the bill, but it'll just differ as to who is actually paying out.

The manufacturer signs off on anything they produce to be fit for use, no matter what is requested on them. That is the ENTIRE point of quality assurance practices. In an industry like this, companies (theme parks that is) are run on similar principles as the aircraft industry. The manufacturer supplies them with all the technical data for operation and maintenance of the equipment, but the client has zero control of the ultimate design and production process. Everything on an engineering level is the responsibility of the company designing and manufacturing the ride, you can request specifics like changes to capacity and theming, but everything surrounding the design, production and ultimate supplying of the ride is down to S&S. The park is responsible for maintaining the equipment to the level specified by the manufacturer, that is where their responsibility ends. In the aircraft industry it's called compliance, every component that makes up the aircraft has a data file that displays how it is built and what components are used. Everything is documented and listed right down to what nut, bolt and washer to use and where to use it. There are no substitutes and components are pretty much only ever sourced directly from the original manufacturer to make sure that their are no issues with quality or production which could cause failures when supplied components by an untested outside source. We don't know exactly what part caused the critical failure, but the problem seems to have something to do with bogeys not the frame or chassis, in which case, I fail to see what they could cross brace for additional support when everything is essentially transmitted through sets of wheels and the components that they are fixed to before being attached to the chassis. At some point, it's all going to come down to maybe a few inches of steel holding everything together, the only way to lessen the load on components like this would be to add more bogeys or increase in size/width. As said by others above though, you can't maintain everything to the manufacturers design AND be responsible for a failure. If the design is at fault, it's 100% the manufacturer to blame even if your maintenance may not have picked up the failure occurring. If that were the case here, it becomes one of negligence with the park being responsible for not picking up the failure before an incident occurred. The failure is still ultimately a design flaw and the operator has no responsibility with regards to that, it's only that their practices (or those of their employees) were negligent in allowing the accident to occur. In cases like that, you can say the operator was partially responsible for the accident occurring, but not the cause if its a defect. Those are usually treated as too separate things by the way because it's often extremely difficult to prove something was overlooked which had already experienced a failure due to manufacturing or design defect. It essentially works as intended, or it doesn't and it breaks due to wear and fatigue. When dealing with fasteners, it's also extremely difficult to sight a failure until it has actually occurred. That is, unless it's actually broken, cracked or damaged, and the fastener as released or moved. It can appear (and still function in reduced capacity) to be fine, but internally it has started to fail. It's why components are replaced in specific intervals regardless of their apparent condition. The component (like a bearing) might be good for thousands of hours of use as supplied, and when checked still functions correctly without issue. BUT the component still ends up being replaced at a specific service period to avoid failure occurring. It's how you build redundancy into critical systems. You want to rebuild and replace the equipment long before it ever reaches the end of it's service life regardless of it's current condition. Lots of waste, but it stops things like planes falling out of the sky (and is supposed to stop roller coasters from derailing too, heh).

You might have two hopes of finding out more via way of something official. If something ever went to court, at the least the case would be heard and you would have an incite via submissions before it would probably be settled long before it ever made it to court, but this seems very unlikely, or, worksafe (which I think comes under workcover now) will no doubt conduct an investigation into the incident, but as I think there was no loss of life, the findings probably won't be made public as it's unlikely anybody will be prosecuted. One thing you have to remember is it is possible that vrtp isn't responsible at all, but they can hardly come out and say as much. It opens up a whole host of questions about their other rides, and no doubt S&S wouldn't want to be buried in any statement either. I reckon the best we will have is no statement at all. I reckon we will just see a media release saying green lantern is open for business without any mention of the accident or any safety issues. I wouldn't at all be surprised if there was even discussion of a re-theme occurring during down time so the ride could effectively be given a soft launch and announced under a different name. Doesn't look like that is the case, but I reckon first and foremost would be to distance yourself as far as possible from the incident.

Parks have worked out something like over $100 is spent per day for a 4 person family on additional in park purchases. They track in park sales of food and beverage, plus merch and upsells very closely and know exactly what they need to turn over daily, and based off averages; how many people they need in the park each day to turn a profit. If you have no people in the park, you stand no chance of reaching those targets. Pretty simple (if well executed) economics.

The news stand building is/was being replaced with another built in its place in main st.

Stopping to get sushi on the other side of the highway and I thought I might do a drive by. Looks like they have trains back on track this afternoon. Wouldn't be surprised if they are doing some testing soon.

Theming is notoriously expensive, as in you can spend many millions on top of the ride initial cost on additional theming. I reckon it would come down to someone saying the cost vs benefit isn't there. People already riding at capacity, why spend bulk money on things which are essentially considered cosmetic. the running costs for a major ride like superman or arkham must be massive too. No doubt there is a major case of bean counters doing the math. Forget about the labour hours to service and maintain, but the amount of components that would be replaced as a matter of preventative maintenance would be enormous. These parts tend to be supplied direct from the manufacturer too in order to maintain compliance, not so much outsourced local companies. So parts alone must represent a massive annual budget. I cant even imagine what it must cost to replace the chain on the lift hill at arkham. The links have got to be a half inch thick steel and bigger than your hand.

He seemed to take such delight in scaring small asian women. Majority of people were pretty amused by him and got a bit of a jump, a lot of asian women seemed to be genuinely scared and would actually run away from him. hahahahaha.

I have just been passed some very accurate information. Details to come later when I can get to a pc. Edit: Now im at a pc. I asked this real official looking guy in navy pants with a name tag on his shirt and he said he "had no idea". So you can take that as an official report. Nobody at movie world has any idea what is going on. What a scoop! Edit2: Now I think of it. He could have been a gardener or a cleaner. Still an employee though right? Edit3: Just to add credit to my information, here is this completely unrelated photo of this freaky guy that used to lurk around the park. people will remember him right?

The storage area of the river ride is probably pretty packed with all the stuff they now have at different times of the year (fright night, carnivale, christmas, etc) as you don't seem to see many displays around when driving around the side roads. Driving School seems to take up a fairly large portion of the building too when you actually start to walk down it. Seems like its the full width but no idea how deep it goes? I wonder how much is left over on the other side of the wall.

I don't think you'll see anything behind wwf, too much stuff out there, plant equipment, what looks like grounds keeping, storage, etc. Be a bit of a nightmare trying to secure the area to make sure nobody was injured or ventured somewhere they shouldn't. You would probably have to take guests down the side between scooby and arkham to get to it too.

They had one there before and it was pretty average, not big enough area through the alley. It was setup like a hospital triage with nurses and doctors. Guys, not all the sound stages are the same either. Some of them have permanent, specific equipment, so don't think of them as just one big empty space they can tear to pieces. I know there is another indoor water tank in one and another has production facilities and plant equipment, so even if some of the sound stages are free it might not just be a case of using one of the other sound stages in it's place. AlexB, it's already the second week of july. That leaves them a bit over 2 months to design something to fit, then start building. It's not enough time to do it justice to such a big area. Im not saying they won't use any of them because I have no idea, only that they had to think about utilising more of the available areas in the park this year. The other thing a lot of people seem to forget is they are separate entities, the theme park and the studios. If they have paying work, even if they aren't actively using that space, it's often allocated as it's essentially been purchased for a duration by a production company. They might use it every day, they might use it once a month, they might not even use it at all, but it's theirs and paid work for the studios is probably going to take precedence over the park wanting to utilise some space. One other thing I didn't think of is access. If other production facilities are being utilised at the same time, it might make things difficult to get park visitors through the area safely, while still allowing secure access for the production staff. Can't put the security of filming at risk from members of the public making their way on to a set or production areas. If it's a big film, I wouldn't be surprised if they have very specific requirements around who/what/where is allowed on to the premises. Getting the public in might not even be possible.

No idea how many will/will not be used, only heard that filming had caused problems and had to cause a rethink for available space to utilise. Not enough time to use studio space as before, so that could mean one or both are out. I know as late as 2 weeks ago they were still filming in the tank near outback spectacular. Could see all the lighting on one night driving past on the way home. Pirate ship was still there last week too I think. So I reckon that probably put a dampener on plans. I can imagine it takes months for the carpentry team to even build the sets before the theming can start. So it's something that probably needs a good number of months to build. Wouldn't be surprised if things usually start happening 6 months out from the dates.

Are we just guessing of a redesign or was something found out? Only asking because I didn't read all the pages/threads. Old cars could be new cars, just overhauled while the investigation takes place.

Have it on good authority that because pirates of the Caribbean shooting ran over that there isn't time to utilise studio space like in the past. So that'll probably mean western stage and bumpers area will be used for fright night. Would explain the barriers up around the bumpers.

It is a ride that sometimes suffers stoppages during the day. With the ride being worked on I imagine the smoke disperses from the room, especially if it's down for a couple of hours. It would take a bit of time to fill room that size to the point where vision is seriously limited. Different than in the morning when they do pre show checks and everything is running before the park opens. If the ride resumes I doubt they would wait for every part to be perfect before sending cars through again.

I doubt police would have any reason to investigate, could be worksafe perhaps. Otherwise it was probably contractors inspecting and checking the track prior to maintenance beginning testing. I'd be keeping an eye out over the next week or so.

​The remaining space has been taken up by storage and maintenance stuff I believe. You can see the maintenance areas from kopps road as it passes down the side of the park. Can see over the substation and right across the back of the driving school area.

I think its pretty safe to say, that right up until they are 100% positive the ride is fit for service, that we won't hear anything official regarding the status. Even then I doubt it will be made public who was to blame. I'd go so far as to say that the first we'll probably hear about it is going to be from people reporting they have seen the ride running again in what appears to be testing. ​

There on saturday, Sylvester and Tweety cages look to have completely refurbed, it's all painted and looking pretty behind the security barrier. I suggest it was closed due to an overhaul and looks like it will be back up and running soon. Nothing more you can do about green lantern. Arkham looks like it's closed for major maintenance. They had some guys looking at pieces of the track the other day. Scooby doo coaster was open on saturday morning, something happened early afternoon and it was closed. Looks like it has caused extended delays? but it certainly didn't look like it was planned as it was open in the morning. If two of those are down due to annual maintenance and refurb, it's hardly a case of negligence/poor maintenance. If you take green lantern out because of the obvious, only leaves them with being knocked around by scooby doo coaster having an issue of some sort for it to be closed. If that's the case, could expect it to be repaired and running as quick as possible (if it hasn't already).