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Why didn't you just post it dude?

Sounds like a Zamperela patch job (as if their new rides weren't good enough ), very interesting in a low key sort of way. It does amuse me though that DW hasn't added a new kiddie ride since Kennyland despite adding a whole kiddie land.

Thanks man, thats the nicest thing you've ever said on this forum :-)

Man, I just finished downloading (sorry, I mean "acquiring legally" :-) that Wonderland song by 911. All I can say to those ex-staff who had to hear that song all the time is sorry. Its like the worst bits of all boybands joined together to make one ultimate song. I thought the elevator music I had to listen too everyday was bad, that song just rewrites the crap music book.

...and what a good 'stood and watched from a distance' it was too Nice call Rich

Not a chance. There's nothing wrong with ToT, so why would DW want to change it? Also DW doesn't care that much about bragging rights, so why would they spend the millions of $ required to make the ride just that little bit better? Not a chance.

There's no reason to limit the number of attractions in the park because of its size, just look at Blackpool which is crammed up good and proper. As for the 47 attractions, well, if the park gets popular and needs the extra capacity, then why not?

I'm working on a new park at the moment. So far its home to a Wild West (with a Wooden Coaster, boat ride and Impulse coaster), Technology centre, (3 launched coasters and a variety of flat rides) Spooky theme (Intamin Jr coaster and two haunted houses) Beach Party (B&M Invert, MACK wild mouse) & Jungle theme (Terrain Floorless). Its also home to a railway, monorail, tree lined plazas and all the other stuff you need to keep the peeps happy

Richard is correct and studies released have proven this. This was done some time ago, but the just of it was that if the parks added a new attraction it would have minimal effect on the number of people on the Gold Coast. It would require something like a new theme park would be required to greatly effect visitor numbers.

Parking: What's wrong with the land in between the road and the beach? And Don't tell me it can't be done because its council's land as SW's carpark past the monorail is council land. It can't be that difficult to make it accessible either. Demon: Not worth the relocation costs for a ride which has little if any appeal in Sydney. Bush Beast: Get ride of it and install a ride which uses its footprint better. Don't worry about spending half a mil to re-track, but buy something new and appealing. Park infrastructure: Repave where necessarily, but don't go crazy wasting budget on stuff which is more or less good. Admin/ Back of House: Well, if everyone's version of 'Mini Wonderland' cuts off after Snowy, then what about putting those sort of facilities around the near the back half of Snowy? People won't need that area as passage way any more, and stuff could be relocated there. New Stuff: Replacement Wooden Coaster, and a couple of flats around the old Sky Rider station and replace the Great Race (or whatever they were calling it at the end) with some kiddie rides. The beach could probably also do with a new slide, but not vital. Also, with regards to stuff coming off riders on Corkscrew: The forces on corkscrew are such that loose items (except hats) are not coming off the ride unless they are thrown. Your pretty safe with stuff in your pockets, and if something does fall out of your pockets it'll just sit on the seat next too you until the ride finishes. Really a ride like Corkscrew doesn't even need restraints for normal operation.

What do you mean be thankful I can pay $58 to go to a place and queue for hours on end? Why should I be thankful for that? I pay to go on the rides, when I spend money and spend half the day in a queue, then that's not good customer service I'm thankful for the atmosphere and the fact that its not too busy in winter, but I don't anyone can be expected to give praise for a service which is delivered at a semi-par standard. With the way Dreamworld delivers their product (IE by making people needlessly stand in line for a long time) I don't think I should be praising them for this. I praise them for having good rides, but the fact they are run so poorly wipes off the majority of that praise. Also, if Dreamworld were smart and built high capacity attractions (a big show, another walkthrough exhibit like Tiger Island or a ride that could handle something around 1,500 PPH) then the higher number of guests in the parks would be offset by the increased ability to cater for said crowds.

Substitute Koala Country for River Town (Koala Country became part of AWE in 2001) and you have Dreamworld's 10 'themed' area's. Though River Town and Gum Tree Gully may as well be the same area since there's nothing really remaining of Gum Tree Gully which IMHO was once the nicest area of the park (better then the old Country Fair and Village Green areas). For me, I'd have to go Gold Rush Country. It seems to be the only one of the older areas that's not been either overrun or destroyed visually like what has happened to Rivertown and Rocky Hollow. Ocean Parade is nice but to me it appears as though its purely the themeing of Wipeout that make it so. The main entrance plaza and Blue Lagoon are each looking a bit on the sad side. Nick Central is pretty good but since I'm not of that demographic I can't really get too excited.

Better question, what are Dreamworld's 11 areas?

You'd need to go a week either side of each of the other holidays, and I'd say from mid Dec to mid Feb, because you do get allot of people saying just that (that they can't find time to do everything). Most people can't get the parks done in a full day even at this time of year (hard to believe I know, but true). When ever attendance is around the 4/5000 mark then you can feel the park being busy. During this time, you hear quite a bit of the "Too much to do, and too busy too do it". Even though there's quite a few attractions (SW particularly) that don't require you too queue up, those attractions that do demand a queue of anything over 30mins present a problem to most guests. If you can supply a tool that makes life easier, I'd go for it.

Fox was too expensive for visitors and had bugger all attractions. It was small, and had only limited appeal. Thats not at all like a Gold Coast park.

Matt Shirvington the lunch box Like I said and everyone else has, Mini Wonderland wouldn't work because there is no future expansion, rehashed attractions of limited appeal, is in a now crummy area, and is missing some of the most important things that kept Wonderland ticking over. If Wonderland was to be reopened, it would have to be the whole park, and then some. Also, I don't know why you guys think a Gold Coast sized park couldn't survive in Sydney. Wonderland did, and was still surviving. Sunway just decided that they didn't want to own a theme park in Sydney when they could own industrial stuff. I'd be surprised if it wasn't at least making a profit, and with proper invest could have been booming.

Matt Shirvington the lunch box Like I said and everyone else has, Mini Wonderland wouldn't work because there is no future expansion, re-hashed attractions of limited appeal, is in a now crummy area, and is missing some of the most important things that kept Wonderland ticking over. If Wonderland was to be re-opened, it would have to be the whole park, and then some.

Fair point about all that Richard, though I still think that Fastpass system would work well at DW MW and SW. Your right about it being more or less useless for most of the year, but at the 3 theme parks I'd suggest that they'd be of use for not only a couple of months in summer, but also for the other holiday periods. There's allot of infrastructure in parks to deal with busy holiday periods, and I can't see how this is any different.

Well, unless someone on here can write an exceptional business plan, I doubt anyone else will. If someone on here can, then best of luck, though I'd be more interested in buying a decent sized block and starting from scratch. The only thing left at Wonderland is the limited appeal of the Wonderland name and some fragments of park infrastructure. As a water park it may work (even with BB & SRR), though sadly, Sunway has destroyed the area. Its an industrial park now, and the surrounds are horrible. Plus with little or no room to expand the project may well be doomed right from day one.

Too bad about being sick dude. I had the same thing happen to me when I went to LA which lost me 3 days (but I made up for it with a 1day DLR hopper pass). Interesting to hear about Xscream being a waste of money, it looks like an insane ride. What was it about it that made it a rip off? Hope you start feeling better, keep us posted!

$13 mill Shark Bay, & $20 mill (roughly) Outback Experience. Add to that the acquisition and relocation costs (admittedly minor at best, since all they really bought was a few licences, animal stock and a brand name) of Paradise Country, park rehabs (Roxy theatre is currently covered in scaffolding), this years addition (I doubt this is of any interest to people hear) to WnW aimed at giving it better capacity, and your looking somewhere around the $40 mill in capital expenditure in the space of three or so years. Thats a huge amount to be spending on cap ex. Richard: Warner Brother's top executive came to the parks recently, so even if Village Roadshow is up the creek, there's always Warner Brothers, and now they've been reminded that they STILL own theme parks they may just be inspired to invest in them.

Nah, at least with that you can understand why that rumour would have existed. Manager to Ride Op: We're spending $1million on the beach to refurb it up. Ride Op to Forums member: Management are spending heaps of money on the beach Forum member to everyone else: Heaps of money = New Slide for the beach! Ian's sources on the other hand, are higher up then that Gazza: The station isn't so much a Y, but more of a --<===>--- (Keep in mind that - is a piece of track ). Think of how DW and SW's log ride stations operate, and you've pretty well got it. The only difference is that the queue splits just outside the station and you load from the outside of the station. In the middle of the station are the exit stairs and storage lockers (which are accessible from both stations). These are closed and locked when the train leaves the station, and have the number of the train on them, because in two station mode, you arrive back onto the other platform. AIRs restraints are excellent. Those who whinge about them are just crazy. You load exactly like a normal inverted coaster. The restraints (as far as anyone sitting down is concerned) is little more then an OTSR. When you close it, the things holding your feet in place close. The thing holding your feet is in such a position, that your feet are just in the right spot and you don't have to think about it.

Having a flyer for me would be an excellent addition. A park like Movieworld could do a themed superman flyer really well (unlike the hardly themed SF coasters), and having been on AIR, I can attest to them being great rides. The sensation is excellent, and because all the forces seem to be exaggerated, you wouldn't have to build a tall obnoxious track. I don't know how far back the parks land extends back, but there's a lovely spot behind Looney Tunes and Police Academy that seem built for this style of ride. One can dream, though I dare say it ain't happening. I'd be less surprised if MW built a Superman simulator, like what was done for Batman.

If anyones interested, Shark Bay will be on Getaway tonight.

You make a good point, but I've never had a similar problem at WnW with lockers, nor have I seen a problem at SW or MW with our stuff which has a deposit. You would expect to need more staff, but I can't see it being a huge problem. I still like Disney's way of handing out the tickets as you enter, and making it free most (though I'm yet to try any other version). I'm just thinking (relativly) realisticly.