1 hour ago, DaptoFunlandGuy said:

Park management have already flagged their future intention to retheme motocoaster to fit into Rivertown, so it's not getting removed.

The park also has the former sites of Rocky Hollow and the BB Studios to expand onto without impacting the current DA allocations. Trolls Village and the former Thunderbolt site are also an option, acknowledging the recent usage of trolls by BB.

There is an island in the middle of Murissippi which could be used for a walk-through/adventure attraction, as well as the Murrissippi itself which could have a boat ride. There is also the sheep shearing space and, at some point in the distant future, all of the land being used by Tiger Island.

DW actually has a lot of room for expansion within the current footprint of the park.

But if they wanted to backtrack on the change-of-use applications to use the land for park expansion, they would receive zero push-back from council. There's just no chance that DW would need to expand that quickly.

35 minutes ago, Brad2912 said:

DW is doing something right…

I’ve NEVER seen the carpark this full, not a single free park, the bus bay is full of cars, the mid-carpark road that lets you drive between rows is completed blocked by parked cars, an at 2,30pm there is a line up to get in the park.

Hopefully they announce a new expansion soon. There is definitely demand for it.

27 minutes ago, DaptoFunlandGuy said:

The problem is if it keeps selling out - you're shooting too low.

The real problem isn't the price though, it's the speed of operations.

If operations were faster and rides could reach their max capacity there would likely be no decrease in the number of fast track sales, but they'd be able to sell more of them and the regular queue would also move faster.

I'm not sure how many fast track passes are made available, but if they're comfortable with the current impact on queue lines and the current queue line duration, a 10% increase in operation speed (and a 10% increase in capacity across all rides) would mean they could sell 2x the number of fast track passes before it impacted the current regular queue times. That's a 100% increase in fast track sales from a 10% increase in operational speed, and they could likely still increase the price of fast track and sell out.

If they're still showing the

On 12/12/2025 at 6:43 PM, Brad2912 said:

I don’t want to heat the MRT announcement over and over and over

On 12/12/2025 at 6:43 PM, Brad2912 said:

Being yelled at to “not touch the harnesses” as we walked through was different.. not allowed to lower them yourself until every person on the train is seated. Weird.

The MRT video explicitly tells you to pull down your harness, and shows people doing it.

If MW don't want that to happen, they should stop showing the video. Possibly make a new video that explains the new procedures and ensure that the speakers are fixed so people can hear it.

1 hour ago, DaptoFunlandGuy said:

the only way to fix the experience is to keep upping the price until it eventually becomes prohibitive.

It will never be cost prohibitive for wealthy foreigners. They've got currency conversions working in their favour.

If they're holidaying in Australia and going to theme parks, they're likely quite wealthy. If they only have one day in the park, they'll pay whatever it costs just to experience everything. Even if their one day at Movieworld costs a lot of money, they'll likely have several days hanging out at Surfers, or going to Mt Tambourine, or doing other touristy things that cost nothing.

That said, I've seen some absolute bogans with fasttrack passes that definitely don't have a lot of money. These people are clearly not making sensible and responsible financial decisions, so there's probably no price limit that would stop them from buying.

Maybe Dreamworld needs to start selling motion sickness meds (or ginger, which also works).

3 minutes ago, rappa said:

Like props to Dreamworld but they build a flat ride. And still took a year.

His point still stands though. Compare the reactions for KC to SDSC and it's exactly as Michelangelo described. But it would also be true for Rivertown vs. WoZ, Jane's vs. Star Cafe, Dreamworld Flyer vs. Flash.

There's a clear pattern that has emerged for both Village and Dreamworld over the last few years. One is consistently getting 'meh' and the other is consistently getting 'wow'. Comparisons between the parks are going to be made and are valid. People will choose where to spend their time and their money.

30 minutes ago, Levithian said:

Sometimes I think management fail to realise the experience is not just about a physical ride, but everything else that goes with it too.

Given that SDSC closed early and they had to wait for Mack, that should have given them more time to plan the guest experience, source props/lights at the best prices and spread their cost out across multiple financial years to ensure that the ride wasn't just restored to the original standard, but exceeded people's rose-tinted, nostalgic expectations in a way that genuinely surprised and delighted them. While the upgrades might have been technically difficult to achieve, the general public will never see them and don't care.

The complaints people are making (here and on Socials) aren't dumping on MW for the sake of it. It's because they have seen the quality of what MW can be and they have a deep desire to see it restored to it's former magic and glory. They want MW to succeed and they want to have a great experience at the park. DW is working toward that goal and successfully executing it because the management cares as much as the people on this forum do.

2 hours ago, DaptoFunlandGuy said:

interested if anyone else observes the same...

I noticed this too, but I noticed that the rotation speed of the gondola is such that you will experience at least one 'face down' and one 'face up' moment at the top of the swing, but generally a seat favours one or the other.

In a seat that started facing main street, I spent most swings face down, only getting that 'inverted' feeling on the final swing.  And it was the inverse when I sat facing Tail Spin.

I generally found a sat facing main street was less disorienting/nauseating for this reason.

This was a fun ride.  I found it to be a lot less nauseating than the old Claw.  The transition time between the weightless and positive G forces is spread out along a wider arc, so while you still feel both at a high level there isn't the change between then isn't as rapid and that made a big difference for me.  I mentioned this way earlier in this thread, but it really is a different ride experience - still thrilling, just in a slightly different way (when it comes to forces on your body).

The lack of OTS restraints is nice, but I did feel like I needed to hold on - partly because I didn't know what to do with my hands - but also partly because you do kind of fall forward a bit if going through the arc face-down.  I guess this was also true with the old Claw, but you used to just be able to flop onto the restraint which isn't there anymore.

This is the perfect ride for DW right now, high capacity, great theming, high thrill.  Now that it's open, I guess we wait for the next big announcement.

 

3 hours ago, Ashley Jeffery said:

Only thing to change will be the price increase to Netflix. 

And the price increase to HBOMax.  Why charge for one streaming service when you can charge for two?

"Netflix's Co-CEO Greg Peters told investors the company could package the streaming services together in a bundle -- or find ways to introduce HBO Max to Netflix subscribers. The streaming service has a long history of building audiences for television series, as it did for "Breaking Bad" or the legal drama "Suits." - Reuters.

Looks like the plan is to increase the prices of both, then 'bundle' them back down to the current prices.

6 hours ago, Spotty said:

I really do hope though that they do focus on sprucing up WhiteWater World next

I think a lot of people want the same thing.  Gold Coaster is 30 years old and is no longer appropriate for the direction DW is headed.  It was first opened 2 years after Wipeout at LPS... 9 years before The Claw - which has just been replaced.

It's eventual removal will free up a lot of space for new slide towers.

Whatever happens to WWW also needs to factor in what is happening in DW at the end of Ocean parade and hopefully that end of the park finally gets the attention it desperately needs.  Who knows, perhaps they're holding back on WWW so they can fix that whole area at the same time.

The cost of staffing the park and the operating costs of running rides (energy/cycles/etc.) is almost always going to be greater than the additional money visitors spend in the park in those final two hours.

They already opened the restaurant on Saturday nights from 5-9pm.  If the goal is to get people to eat dinner and spend money, then they just need to open the restaurant, not the entire park.

Parks know when and where people are spending money.  If it were profitable to extend operating hours, they would.

12 hours ago, webslave said:

"Faster, safer and more convenient".

Okay then.

They mean 'We don't need to maintain floats, pay staff to manage cash/reconcile registers at the end of the day, or pay bank fees for cash processing - and we get to add a card surcharge if we want so it costs us nothing'.

47 minutes ago, Baconjack said:

195 cm height cut off is a little disappointing, guess that ill never get to ride it as superman and jet rescue is already a coin toss whether or not I can ride depending on what shoes I wear to the parks

Intamin really gotta design their flats to accommodate up to 200cm consistent with everyone else in the industry, they’re the only manufacturer out there that has it this restrictive. From what I understand it’s not a clearance thing but it’s a fitting your body within the restraint thing, the logic is that your head needs to be up to the head rest. There’s quite a bit of folk that are going to get turned away at the gate

(Upon looking up a few other big Intamin gyro swings around the world there seems to be no height cutoff, so what’s the go here)

Tigeren is 125-200cm. 

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Wonder how many dolphins will feature in the show...

One.  There will be One Dolphin.

So, I did a little more digging around the websites.  Apart from the many spelling and grammatical errors - including in the company name, I've noticed the following:

The business website - https://rhccity.com.au/

• The 'Leadership and Management' section only has one name - Ramin Ahmadi.  Here is his LinkedIn page:https://www.linkedin.com/in/ramin-ahmadi-29a85215b/?originalSubdomain=au
• He has 50 connections on LinkedIn. 
• His current business Neguin Pty Ltd. has only 3 people associated with it on LinkedIn (including himself) - one is a retired marketing executive Vernon Tang who left the business in 2008.  The other is an Auckland based writer/architect Noushin Ahmadi - possibly a daughter or other relative who left the business in 2016.  The business seems to spruik residential apartment buildings as it's most successful and most recent accomplishments.
• The listed address: Level 38- 71 Eagle St.  Brisbane, Qld 4000, seems to be a co-working space that offers 'virtual offices'. https://www.myspacesworks.com/centre/5486/details
• There is no contact information other than an email address on either the infinity planet or RHC websites.
• The theme park isn't actually listed on the 'Sections' page of the infinity planet site when you click through to it.

There is no way this concept - with its complete lack of detail on any attraction - including for the business/tech park, lack of any leadership team, board of directors, anchor tenants, publicly named investors (including private equity), or established intellectual property licensing, has attracted $2.6Bn of investment.

I get that big ideas can come from ordinary people.  Everyone starts somewhere and I don't want to crap on anyone for trying to punch above their weight.  But this isn't a big idea, this is no idea.  There's no substance to this.

Maybe he should put a little more effort into the actual attractions, theming, and functions of the spaces before launching this thought-bubble to attract investors.

1 hour ago, Baconjack said:

It’ll be reduced to the shops and the theme park whenever the first stake is in the ground 

It will become mixed-use residential and commercial offices with some retail.

Disney couldn't even get a 'permanent world expo' to work at Epcot beyond the early 2000s and it's just turned into another theme park with rides themed to Disney IP.  Brisbane doesn't get the tourist numbers to justify something like this as a permanent attraction.

Also, a 'business and technology park with retail' might work since Northlakes isn't too far away and it's a shorter commute for residents there than going into the CBD, but a theme park and a 700 room hotel just up the road from Caboolture isn't going to happen.  There is no demand for it.  Aussie World can't even sustain 7 day operations or being open for more than 6 hours a day and it's right by the Glasshouse Mountains. 

I don't have a problem with people dreaming big and wanting to build something impressive.  Dreamworld was built on a patch of land in the middle of no where with no public transport and it became a destination that arguably drove the placement of Coomera Station and ultimately Westfield. But this is just being pitched as a weird combination of business park and theme park.

If the developers were talking about building specific attractions - rides that don't exist at the GC, animal experiences that don't exist at Australia Zoo, then we'd probably take this more seriously instead of ridiculing it.  But they're not.  They've not mentioned a single attraction other than '10,000 car parking spaces' and the concept art just shows duplicate 1980/90s rides.  It tells us that exactly zero thought has gone into what this could be beyond 'spaces for stuff'.

Honestly, I could see a version of this working somewhere like Hamilton/Northshore with a LPS style park (possibly slightly larger) and cultural performance spaces/theatres, Television Studios and a hotel... functional spaces that would get used, close to where people live.

These people aren't interested in building a destination.  If they were, they'd choose a more appropriate location. They've just got a plot of land they want to develop and they're pitching an idea around 'tourism and culture' to attract government funding/subsidies instead of just building an office park/shopping mall with their own money.

I'm personally excited for the Arrow Corkscrew.  Nothing screams 'iconic destination' like a 1980s roller coaster.

I used to think that the best option for motocoaster would be a re-theme, but my opinion has shifted firmly to outright removal. 

The cost of new trains and new theming would be so high that it would be better to sell the nearly 20 year old ride and put all of that money toward a better ride(s) in that area. 

A better ride with immersive theming will have a better ROI, even if it costs more.  Rivertown sold passes and draws pass-holders back.  King Claw will sell passes.  Putting lipstick on the motocoaster pig is a lot of money for a 'boring' filler ride. It won't sell day passes or annual passes and the ride will likely need replacing within the next 5-10 years anyway. 

 

53 minutes ago, Spectrumco said:

A purpose-built BB house on the southern side of the property

DW should not be factoring Big Brother into any of their plans.  This current series starts in Nov and ends in Dec.  It's only going to be a 4-5 week run and the 'house' set will be gone before Xmas. 

DW need to focus on their own core business of theme park experiences and putting in fully immersive, themed lands.  BB might bring in some short-term cash so I don't hate them doing it, but if they want to have a TV production precinct (not a terrible idea) it should be on the North end of the park as part of their rezoning/development plans, and should be designed for many different shows so it can operate year round.

I don't really have time to dig through the proposal, but is CEH wanting to develop the land themselves or sell the land for development?  I know they're just requesting re-zoning and this isn't a solid development plan.

If it's the former, I would hope they've considered things like future expansion of the park (even just the wildlife park) or a potential second-gate, given there is likely to be a boost in tourism around the Olympics (possibly sustained if it's as successful as Sydney). This is definitely a 10-15 year outlook, but presumably the park will still be around then.

If it's the latter, I would be concerned that will crimp the long-term value of the park if they ever want to sell to a bigger player that would want to consider expansion.  They're deliberately land-locking themselves further beyond the previous land sale.

I also am not sure that a 'down-town' precinct is really going to be that popular given Westfield exists across the road.  Also, any residential properties are just going to create noise complaints, so you just end up with a gimped entertainment precinct, and crappy residential areas that are noisy and have crap parking.

It's just my opinion but I think that CEH are doing good things at the moment and should be preserving land or developing land in line with their core tourism/entertainment business and I'm not sure if this rezoning plan really does that.

Dreamworld is still lacking a dark ride, a water ride, a second major thrill coaster, a second inverting thrill ride and an adults-only space like a bar.  They're also lacking shows - especially shows that aren't for little kids.

Most importantly a second themed land.  Rivertown is it.  Goldrush, Rocky Hollow and Ocean parade used to be themed lands (even if they got a bit crap toward the end), and Ocean Parade is currently a dead end with a Big Brother set.

Dreamworld needs to replace Rocky Hollow with a new water ride.  They need to fix ocean parade from the Wipeout plot around to Kevil Hill and completely remove Gold Coaster - which is a janky painful experience - and tightly integrate a new internal entrance to WWW - maybe using the land to weave coasters and slides together.

DW doesn't need to 'replace what was lost' because they also lost the chair-lift, the paddle steamer, the Tiger Island presentation, Thunderbolt, and ToT.  They need to build out new themed lands and have a good balance of attractions for kids, families and thrill seekers.

They also need to remove Motocoaster and Gold Coaster - which is honestly more of an opportunity than a loss - They don't need direct replacements, but a second family coaster, and a second thrill coaster are definitely things they'll need.  

 

15 minutes ago, Levram__ said:

Both parks did indeed have production and execution challenges with Pico though. 

But both parks also saved millions of dollars by getting massive set pieces built in Vietnam instead of Australia, and without that, we would have Rivertown - at best - looking more like Steel Taipan. 

So I'd say it's worth it for Dreamworld and Pico to sort their s*** out, because if they do we get more like Rivertown and Universal-level parks, and if they don't we get Six Flags level parks.

You get what you pay for, and I think both parks have received a lot of value for what they paid. Even incomplete, Rivertown is great, and the theming that does exist in WoZ is also good, there just needs to be more of it and the coasters needed to be custom designed to fit into that space (and existing queue buildings) better.

19 minutes ago, Brad2912 said:

Safe to do say Dreamworld & Pico Play won’t be collaborating on anything in the future…

I wouldn't say that.  Companies that work together often have disputes over contracts and deliveries, and they continue working together.  In future they just make sure that the expectations, communications and dispute resolution procedures are more clearly defined in the contract.

Given the large amount of future expansion Dreamworld has planned, it would be foolish for Pico Play not to offer to rectify any problems and repair the relationship to get future work.

This conversation has several pages of conversation unrelated to King Claw.  Perhaps it should be spun off into a new thread?