HussRainbow87
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2 hours ago, Gazza said:
You raise a good point.
A lot of the backdrops for Carnival rides seem like they were done by boomers doing a design brief over the phone.
"Oh yeah mate, I heard the kids like Jack Sparrow and the Avengers and Tupac, can you airbrush us up a backdrop with all of them on it? Cheers mate".
Have you ridden the ride DW is getting though?
You're the one that opened by saying it was a bad choice.
It wouldn't just be me though, plenty of people over in Europe will have had the chance to ride Swingi/Loke/Tigeren, and also the KMG at any of the fairs they have everywhere, and of course there are the big Zamperla ones at a few of the Parques Reunindos properties.
And consistently, the feedback you get is that the Intamin one is superb.
Are they wrong for preferencing better forces and less nausea over sheer height?Never said it was bad, just wish our parks would be a bit more ambitious. I was thrilled when the Vortex was purchased, only to be disappointed by the worlds worst ride cycle.
The hate for travelling rides on this forum is next level.
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23 minutes ago, DaptoFunlandGuy said:
Giant Drop would like a word.
No reason that you know of. For all you know Intamin offered them a sizeable discount on a new model because they couldn't provide support to the existing attraction and they got it dirt cheap.
All the rides are popular at the shows. it's why many folk go to the shows these days - it's certainly not to see the prizewinner of the hoof and hook competition for the vast majority... but for most punters they probably don't even know it's name. Is it 'the beast' ? is it 'jungle action' ? "XXL" ? Or is it "that tall swing ride a bit like the claw we went on last year at Adelaide" ?
Quit moving the bar. Beast was your definition, now you're gonna raise the height requirement? Does that mean Beast isn't good now?
YOU think it's a missed opportunity, but we're all well aware that you have certain biases. To repeat the same success they've had with Claw for the past 20 years with a bigger model, more energy efficient, more capacity, less restrictive restraints, a floor that is less prone to errors, more airtime... all of these sound like wins.
I posted pretty much all of the press-kit, other than the videos.
The videos were:
- B-roll (non moving) of the current The Claw
- Interview with Greg Yong in front of The Claw, talking about the history of the ride and why it is being retired
- Liseberg show reel of the same model in operation.
“The Beast isn’t good now?”
I’ve worked with the machine for 8 years now and it’s been interesting to see its following and popularity gain over this time. I had nothing to do with the wording that is on the ride, you’d have to talk to KMG about the theming.
I don’t know why things cannot be discussed without such a high level of defensiveness. Some of these responses come across as almost sulking. Probably why I visit this place once every few months to read the tantrums.
Also nice photo of the ride at Adelaide…. Don’t miss going there. That’s for sure.
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1 minute ago, Gazza said:
LOL, Wash your mouth out!
I've done the Beast, I've done the Zamperla Giga Discovery, I've done the Intamin and the Intamin one is in an entirely different league.
See, the issue with these types of rides from cheaper manufacturers like Zamplera and KMG is that they put underpowered motors in the swing, so a great deal of the ride cycle is spent simply getting to full height. On the KMG it takes 1:30. The Giga Discovery takes close to 2:00
But the Intamin? 45 seconds.
Its like being strapped to a rocket at the start. Intamin know where to push it when it comes to intensity. and then at the top of each swing, the motors are actively pushing back in reverse, and forcing you downwards, so you get enhanced airtime in the same way Batwing drops down "faster than gravity". More of the time is spent on the fun part...swinging beyond vertical, and less on the crap part....low speed nauseating swings.
And the rotation speed is perfect. Its not pretending to be an eggbeater like the Beast.
And there are no OTSRs.
Cant wait to have one down the road.
Cheaper manufacturers?
Please let us never forget the absolute turd they produced with Doomsday 😉
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Just now, Brad2912 said:
so... if they had gone with a 47m swing height, would that have then be classified as incredibly sized? And then moved from "average" to "good" ?
You have to remember the Claw plot isn't exactly in clear pastures, the clearance margins are finite, and for all we know this is the total extent to which they could go without having to remove a neighbouring ride or greatly alter the footprint / site which would then have exceeded budget.
Not necessarily seeing as the Booster Maxxx and Sky Flyer XXL stand at 55 metres respectively.
Of course there are logistics around such purchases and plans. It just slightly seems like a missed opportunity, but it no doubt will be popular. At least Dreamworld are taking steps to evolve the park… the same can’t be said for down the road.
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1 minute ago, Brad2912 said:
There is no reason they couldn't have replaced Claw with an entirely different ride altogether, but beating the height of a travelling ride would not have played into an conversation or decision making
You’re missing the point of the conversation. Was never saying they were trying to beat the status of a travelling ride, it’s moreso the fact that these parks have opportunities to build incredibly sized attractions, yet they opt for average… I mean Movieworld literally bought a suspended Kamikaze and look how that turned out.
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Just now, Brad2912 said:
yet absolutely no one cares about this fact, apart from, you. The GP don't, hell 99% of them wouldnt even know what Beast is, let alone it's height or where they could ride it next.
Haha it seemed rather popular at this years Gold Coast Show, but all good. No need to get upset 😊
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Just now, Brad2912 said:
What fanfare are you speaking of? because to this end, there has been none. Its just chatter on a theme park forum.
it's 2m shorter than Beast, which in the grand scheme of things is nothing, and Beast is a travelling ride so isn't even included in records for permanent installations at theme parks.
Moreso was in relation to this announcement at IAAPA. Not really groundbreaking. But ok Dreamworld.
It’s 3 metres 😉 The Beast has a swing height of 45 metres. I’d say rather impressive for a travelling ride. There was no reason Dreamworld couldn’t have bought something bigger.
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Just now, Levi said:
if you’re over 5’10, the bulky Zamperla restraints are a no go and it’s very restricting on riders, more so then the current restraints. King Claw will definitely be superior then anything they could’ve gotten from Zamperla.
So it’s about catering towards larger people instead of providing a premiere attraction that is something unique?
The parks are literally soo embarrassing here with their flat rides. The fact that we have three travelling rides now that exceed the height of anything that’s in a park is insane.
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All this fanfare for a Pendulum ride that still doesn’t swing as high as The Beast….
They should have gone real big and went with Zamperla.
Classic Dreamworld.
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On 31/8/2023 at 11:36 PM, wikiverse said:
You're wrong.
A Huss Topspin is a crap ride that is uncomfortable and provides no thrills. It doesn't belong at either park.
Clearly you haven’t ridden a legit HUSS Top Spin…. The original travelling models in Germany and the Top Spin Fresh in France are some of the greatest machines ever built.
Having ridden Talocan a few times and the travelling models, it’s safe to say that they’re outstanding rides.
Fight me on it. I don’t care.
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They’re already spending the money, they could have gone for a Zierer at least. Best of the best when it comes to a Wave Swinger. Their custom theming on some of their park models is incredible.
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Just now, REGIE said:
When’s it’s next appearance. Would love to get on that thing. Same with the traveling coasters is their any schedule on where the coasters will pop up?
The Beast is at Fountain Gate until the end of February, then Moomba and then Sydney Royal Easter Show. Same with the Crazy Coaster.
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Just now, Noxegon said:
What’s the Beast?
Is Crazy Coaster the only coaster at Narre Warren?
Yes. It’s the only coaster there.
KMG XXL is The Beast….
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On 1/2/2023 at 12:52 PM, Levithian said:
The same requirements apply to all operators whether you meet the requirements for an amusement park licence or not.
The new regulations apply to all rides and amusement devices above a certain class, that is what they were developed for. Doesn't matter how many rides you operate or large your company is, you could operate one single class 2 ride and still have to abide by the same regulations. It covers all instances of operating these devices, so fairs, fetes, shows, etc.
For reference, an example of a class 2 ride is a red baron style kids ride or something like a mini drop tower. It's basically the minimum class you'll find for pretty much any actual moving ride.
Worth noting that the intention is actually to develop a national code of practice, even though, as pointed out, other states have similar requirements from worksafe.Ahh something I’m well versed in, working with log books and application processes. This info is spot on. Design reg, plant reg…
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2 minutes ago, New display name said:
That was only the front page @HussRainbow87
Fair enough, but our regulations wouldn’t be much different. An amusement device is an amusement device. Regardless of travelling or park. It was more so a comment on how there’s isn’t too much difference in regards to how states regulate the use of amusement devices.
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Just now, New display name said:
@HussRainbow87I believe you don't have the same set of regulations as a theme park in QLD because you don't qualify as a major amusement park. If you don't qualify you aren't affected by the rules QLD H & S put on theme parks.
The safety case and licence regime for major amusement parks requires a comprehensive and integrated approach for managing amusement device safety. As part of the safety case regime, major amusement parks are required to:
- identify potential incidents and hazards involving amusement devices at the park
- carry out a safety assessment for amusement devices at the park
- implement control measures designed to eliminate or minimise the risk of an incident occurring
- prepare an emergency plan, consult with emergency services and implement the plan when required
- document information about the amusement devices at the park—for example about maintenance, inspections and testing of devices, and operator training
- implement a safety management system for amusement devices at the park
- consult with workers—for example in relation to the emergency plan, safety management system and preparing and reviewing the safety case monitor the effectiveness of the park’s safety case.
This isn't a theme park rides are safer than traveling rides moment, it's the Government sees theme parks have a higher risk of accidents or incidents occurring.
Everything you just stated applies to us. Our logbooks include all of those documents.
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10 hours ago, New display name said:
@jozI'm not saying anybody is incorrect and I could be way off the mark. It was only 2 days ago I thought they still sold individual tickets.
LPS is in a different state, so QLD health and Safety is a different entity to NSW health and safety. Very likely every state has its own rules.
Wouldn’t exactly say that, we operate and maintain our rides the exact same way in all four states that we visit. Checks and audits are fairly similar also.
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The Crazy Spinning Coaster is at our carnival in Apollo Bay, we close 28 January, with both the Beast and Crazy Coaster opening the following week in Narre Warren.
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On 9/12/2022 at 11:02 AM, DaptoFunlandGuy said:
And having visited Movie Park this year, it was interesting to see how similar the parks are! Obviously Movie Park is a lot bigger and they’ve got some better attractions.
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1 hour ago, DaptoFunlandGuy said:
Just to clarify, I was not ever suggesting that safety was being compromised - I was simply saying if it isn't safety, it's ride time - which you've also confirmed in your reply.
So basically you give a lesser experience to
make more moneyensure everyone gets a ride.Not all rides can run a shortened program - ghost trains for example take as long as they take - so how do they deal with long queues near closing?
Usually they would close earlier than the gate closure time. We usually have to do that with The Beast at Sydney to get through everyone before closing. The ride is essentially closed to new riders joining the queue and then we ride the line until the show closes.
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7 hours ago, DaptoFunlandGuy said:
I mean, Village operations are usually the butt of many a joke on here - but if you can load, cycle and unload a ride in 2:30, something is being compromised, and if it isn't safety, it's ride time.
And if its a pay per play attraction, i'd like a lot more than 90 seconds from liftoff to touchdown.
Don't see how safety would be an issue when a Sky Flyer is a simple attraction to load correctly when full, ours runs on an Auto program, obviously when busy and we're against closing times we have to cut down cycles, but other than that, you're getting around 3 minutes for a normal cycle, and trust me, that's more than enough.
1 hour ago, rappa said:So here is a genuine question…
Given Village (or Dreamworld) don’t just invent painful load procedures and extensive safety systems for the fun of it; they jump through whatever hoops the government makes them.
How do the carny operators get away with not doing half the safety stuff that the parks have to do?
There's nothing to get away with, the ride is being operated and loaded as per the manufacturers instructions. Safety is never compromised. I think its pretty standard that the parks have more steps when it comes to loading, its just how they operate overall. When a control panel is telling you the ride is safe and ready to operate, you operate the ride, it doesn't mean anything is being compromised. That statement isn't really fair when I operate our machines with care and I'm strict when it comes to loading also.
5 hours ago, Ashley Jeffery said:So you guys don't do the ekka then? Since a 3 minute ride time is required?
We do, but the EKKA and other shows also understand that when it is insanely busy and you have a hard closing time, you need to get through people, that's just how it is unfortunately.
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On 10/12/2022 at 9:57 PM, Rivals said:
Haven't ridden but from videos the dispatches are shocking.
All riders board, however the riders are only allowed to touch the lap bar. there’s only 2 staff on the ground and they have to do up the seat belt across the lap as well as the seat belt connecting the lap bar to the seat. With 39 seats / riders per ride it can take up to 10mins to just dispatch, is this normal procedure for other star flyers?
We can probably do 4 cycles in about 10 minutes on ours, with a full ride of 24 people....
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11 hours ago, New display name said:
@Dean Barnettare you going to be posting negative reviews everyday?
@HussRainbow87this is standard practise at GC theme parks. Probably because it's not in SW's interest to make people sick and they leave the park.
I realise that, most flat cycles are very tame here in Australia, but look at Pandamonium and even Wipeout had elaborate cycles that showed the rides full potential, it could be ever so tweaked to really show off what a great machine it is, but I have a feeling it will still be running that program in ten years 😭
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7 hours ago, rappa said:
I'll celebrate that from the comfort of the dockside bar. Its a nope from me for those things.
I haven't ridden a Skyflyer though admittedly. Is it more view than spew?
Certainly not getting me on Vortex though
You’d have a more thrilling ride on a Ferris wheel than Vortex. Congratulations to Sea World for the worlds worst operated Top Spin ☺️
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King Claw - Larger Replacement Intamin Gyro Swing for Dreamworld
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I’d love to know what your insider information is as to why the ride doesn’t attend Adelaide Show. But I can assure you, that there is no manufacturer issues, and it was dealt with legally.
I think it’s time I bid farewell to this place. It’s too depressing. Thanks for the memories.