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The 2024 IAAPA Expo Europe has an Intamin press conference scheduled, with its description confirming the announcement of an attraction for Dreamworld. (From IAAPA Expo’s Website) Could be Motocoaster related, could be that water ride Dreamworld needs, but so long as it isn’t a Twin Hammer, a new Intamin is pretty exciting!
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I'd want it to be functional & reliable (which also costs money).
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The most important stage being the beautification of a backstage area, and not the ride hardware or the experience within the land itself?
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Or Earthstory didn't in their concepting, and Pico was forced to turn their nonsense into a semi-coherent area.
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Do you see any non-Rivertown facing backstage areas of the temple here? And that image also has the basic NL2 background trees to make the image seem more full (behind that is just an expansive flat map), are you also disappointed that they didn't demolish those parts of Dreamworld to add the same background trees?
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Wizard of Oz - Movie World Arkham Asylum Replacement
Tricoart replied to Park Addict 93's topic in Theme Park Discussion
More complicated than FotWW, or than JuR? 'Cause both FotWW and KT's ride envelopes are mostly just affected by their ride buildings, and out of the 2, FotWW seems to have the simpler (and earlier completed) building. JuR, however, is intertwined with pathways & Murrisippi Motors, as well as having a more complicated building than both of them. -
My point is that that wasn’t the intention, I just said the word ‘perform’ as that’s what it is. I didn’t make the comparison, but now that I know that there’s a stigma around the word ‘perform’ due to others making that comparison to mistreatment in other places, using a different word (with similar meaning) makes sense, but would still functionally be what they’re doing. Like zoos choosing to refer to themselves as a ‘sanctuary’ or a ‘wildlife park’ without changing a whole lot behind the scenes to make them such, I see why they would do so due to people not really liking ‘zoo’ right now. But that stigma, in both cases, doesn’t roll into my interpretation of the word or the facilities, so if I’m going to the zoo, I’ll still personally refer to it as such.
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Performing doesn’t mean doing something against the will of the animal like in a circus, it just means doing something for the entertainment of the audience, which is/was the main purpose of the tiger presentations. Maybe the word ‘perform’ has a stigma due to circuses that I wasn’t aware of, and they’d prefer to use a different term (like using ‘presentation’ instead of ‘show’), but in that case they’d use a less stigmatised term for what ultimately means very similar things, with the differences only coming from how they’re managed & presented. Though that is unfortunate, it’s ultimately about more than the animal handler’s viewpoints on it. If you have a wild animal that could (& should) behave as a wild animal does, the best move for all parties is to let it do so without endangering yourself in the process. Handlers being used to the previous system doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be changed.
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Wizard of Oz - Movie World Arkham Asylum Replacement
Tricoart replied to Park Addict 93's topic in Theme Park Discussion
Been meaning to go out for that reason, Rivals has a great overhead if you turn around on the lift (done it a few times), but finding motivation to travel to the parks just to hop on Rivals is hard True, but Kansas Twister is 1 of 2 (or 2 of 3) coasters in the ‘precinct’, and the one with much less complicated clearance envelopes/work to be done within its ride area in comparison to FotWW & JuR. -
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Wish we had a good aerial to compare ‘em proper, cause it does seem like DW is comparatively behind, but that may just be ‘cause we are only getting certain obscured angles of the WoO site where the most progress is being made. Seems like a new brand they’ve made up for the tractors. -
Those people being a few in this isolated forum getting disappointed by photos of unfinished construction. We still do not know what it will look like once it is completed, if/how it could be obscured, or what its general reception will be.
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If you want to bring this back up after 3 days, sure. ‘Trying to get them to perform’ was said when I thought the video was taken during or nearby a show time, but apparently that wasn’t the case. Still, it wasn’t meant to be taken as ‘forcing them to perform’, instead just exactly as how it was written, (worded somewhat differently as) them attempting to get the tigers to cooperate. As it’s now been said that it didn’t happen during showtime, I’d just remove it as an additional factor that could’ve made the tigers more agitated, as I now know it wasn’t one. But, when I believed it could have been at the time, I don’t see why saying that could have added to the tigers agitation is wrong.
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May well just be me, but I do kinda like bare buildings in places where sightlines don't matter as much. It's like going to a lower budget zoo, or having views of backstage areas at both zoos and amusement parks, where you're able to appreciate the theming or 'beautification' in places it matters (like the Rivertown-facing facade, or the fake plant walls that obscure Leviathan), whilst being able to see the non-glammed parts when function takes priority over form. It's basic sightlines, but it pleases the part of me that is interested in the systems behind keeping rides operational, and the planning/design that goes into them.
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Of course it's not, but if Village using obnoxious sheds is excusable because it kinda matches what Movie World used to be, Dreamworld using green paint instead of detailed facades on the less important sightlines should be given at least that same treatment.
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When Dreamworld first opened, it was all about being Australia's Disneyland. Does that make green sheds fine too? Point being, even the most themed parks have some green sheds. It's all about catering to sightlines, and if the sightline that matters looks as good as it's shaping up to be, green walls elsewhere are excusable.
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That’s fair, but for the ride Dreamworld wants to make, the size of the building was an inevitability. And, if the issue is the building drawing your eyes to it or not, it’s nicknamed ‘Go Away Green’ for a reason, as it’s used to blend the structure in with surrounds as to keep guests’ eyes off of it. Having it be a detailed temple facade would’ve drawn your eyes more. Would have been a better thing to look at, yes, but would draw more eyes nonetheless.
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Finally, ‘Disney level theming’
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I have now, and though it mightn’t be themed like the rest of the temple building’ll be, I still stand by it being better than what it was.
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Given the positioning, seeing a jungle temple themed building behind the jungle temple themed Tiger Island should at least be more bearable than seeing a Big Red Car Ride.
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Never said that and never would. Again, the situation was a direct result of having multiple tigers out at the same time, with keepers present trying to get them to perform also likely leading to them being more agitated. In the wild, tigers are mostly solitary, and are generally kept as such in reputable captive environments, apart from special instances such as bonded siblings or mothers & young cubs (which is what I was getting at with yet another ‘Polar Bear Shores comparison’ mention, as those relationships can be seen now with Hudson & Nelson, or in the past when Liya had her cubs). And, if either of those pairings began to show signs of aggression, they would be split up via other, more humane means (once more, with Polar Bear Shores, Hudson & Nelson are cohabitated most of the year, except during Polar Bear breeding season as they have shown to get antsy with one another during that time, so are split into separate enclosures in anticipation of that ‘til breeding season ends). As such, the risk of those interactions would be almost entirely mitigated without the need of keepers resorting to methods like what’s shown. If you wish to read a bit more than that paragraph, from something a bit more official & with a bit less Polar Bear Shores comparisons, below is the AZA (Association of Zoos & Aquariums) guidelines on keeping tigers. Social groupings are on Page 28. https://assets.speakcdn.com/assets/2332/tiger_care_manual_2016.pdf
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Yeah, no matter the animal, resulting to physically hurting it isn't something that should be normal or justified. They way I see it here, though, is that it's a result of the situation they would commonly put the tigers & keepers into at that point in time. Like how you don't need a bullhook to keep an elephant unless you're trying to force it to do something, or you don't need a shock collar for a dog unless you're trying to force it to not do something, so the issue is trying to force the animal to adhere to what you want it to do, instead of allowing it to do what it wants to. In recent years, I only remember seeing one tiger out on show at a time instead of the 2 in that video, so one would hope situations like that shown have been made more uncommon, but it's another risk almost entirely mitigated once protected contact is adhered to.
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You mean this 15 second clip from 2017? No-video-title-fdown.net.mp4 Because, yes, this doesn’t look good, and the comments of the post from 2017 saying it doesn’t matter as it’s a larger animal aren’t really getting the point (though the comparison to things like animal races are needed, as even anti-zoo people seemed mostly fine with those), but it also seems to me like another necessary evil of how they previously ran the shows with direct contact. Animals will misbehave, and wild ones especially have the potential to cause injury in the process, so when you’re bringing multiple out at the same time with keepers in between ‘em, situations could occur where you’ve got to keep them from acting on those instincts. Whereas, in a protected contact environment (Polar Bear Shores comparison), or even one similar to the Crocuseum at Australia Zoo (which benefits massively from having the species be relatively slow on land & predictable) these situations should also no longer occur.
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Our most renowned coaster is a hypercoaster with no theming aside from some vague DC hero/villain comic panels in the queue, called ‘DC Rivals: Hypercoaster’. A coaster generally considered to be up there with the best in the world, both in theme and layout, is a coaster themed to Velociraptors from Jurassic World called ‘Jurassic World: Velocicoaster’, If the theme matches the name, and the experience (theme & layout) is done well, I don’t really mind what the name is, though IMO nothing local gonna beat Leviathan in the field of ‘cool thematic names’.