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I just find it really interesting that peoples opinions on the various parks seem to switch depending on whichever management pay them some mind. I remember a short time ago everyone was soooo PRO EVERYTHING Movie World did when Greg was there and gave enthusiasts a whole bunch of love, and Dreamworld was the shit park. Now magically one person has some negative FB comment with Bikash and all of a sudden everything Dreamworld do is golden and Village are apparently evil. They are a company that has legal obligation to its shareholders. The management has a responsibility to try and work with the government to get open and making money. Dreamworld are doing the same thing. And if anyone can tell me why the White Rhino Bar in Surfers can have 100 patrons from tomorrow but theme parks would be limited to 20? Why can Qantas now put 180 people next to each other on a plane for 3 hours, but a theatre can seat patrons for a show? Let's be honest, so many social distancing restrictions are being tossed aside right now all over the shop, why shouldn't the parks be working yo when they can reopen? Also last time I checked, having meetings and developing comprehensive COVID Safe plans with the government is hardly bullying.

I'm from Sydney and only visited the parks for a holiday. I have a nostalgic/childhood/real memory of the Parks, not of a video logo. In fact I'd say most people (and so many still think this) Village Roadshow is an American company because that logo was on the front of every American feature they remember watching. So whilst a couple of argumentative experiences in this select forum might have more memory of a VHS tape than a theme park from being a child I WHOLE disagree that's the experience of most people from growing up. Id go so far to say as many kids thought of the Gold Coast as theme parks rather than beaches. I'd say it will be the one of Village Roadshow Theme Parks, and it's CEO Clark Kirby. Given that every statement about the offer states the company is keeping it's name and CEO I have no idea where that sort of snarky comment comes from.

Just ask Disney how well the generic cross branding “Disney Parks” went for them... Whist I agree it’s a misstep to not highlight who Clark is to average joe, the image of the parks being owned (I know not technically, but I’m talking the mindset of customers here) but a young Gold Coast family with keeps will surely resonate much better with prospective customers than some rich old businessman from interstate. That’s a good move IMO.

Well you’ve heard wrong. Probably get a new source. The park themselves have said 2/3 of the ride is still in Germany.

Ha if you think there are no longer delays in international shipping then you are living a fantasy life. International shipping most definitely still has a lot of problems. (And that of course is only if the goods are even on a ship and not sitting in Germany)

I actually really like that.

I think the fact that no park in Australia has ever bought more than 2 trains and the park that isn’t broke down the road still only bought 2 for rivals indicates that it will only have 2 trains. I expect they’ll run 2 trains for the first two weeks it’s open and then about 5 days a year after that.

Well yeah I think something with it's name as OCEAN should be primarily ocean/beach themed and therefore contain water attractions of some sort at least.

We can say definitely because in order to open it will have to be inspected and certified as having a code compliant control system. So that's the definitive case closed on that one. Yes it will definitely have an E-Stop, not even open for debate unless someone is relocating the park to Mexico.

I don't think asking for a source for the information considering it's something the government is mandating is really that unreasonable a response.

For me the rationale has nothing to do with the water park. Its because it's called OCEAN Parade and is devoid of anything to do with the Ocean...

Typically if a company wants to get something into a park to prove viability they will offer parks some incentive (see Xcelerator) whether that be a good price, or maybe it's first option on more units, or discounted pricing on multiple units. Clones generally don't get cheaper until the design has paid for itself. R&D to develop a new concept from initial idea through to certified engineering costs a lot of money, much more than a single coaster can pay for. So part of the cost of each install contributes to this cost until it's paid off, then you can afford to build subsequent clones for less money and still make profit. This is how most products work in the real world. It's also why the cost to purchase a coaster is much more than just what the materials and labour cost to produce it.

Just to put things into a bit of perspective... If a roller coaster crashed and killed people because the park had made in house dodgy modifications to the braking and control system would there never be another roller coaster built in Australia? Because that’s kind of the same as saying we’d never have a traditional water ride built again...

It was a bargain and saved a lot of money by reusing existing buildings and equipment.

A launch is infinitely more expensive, instead of one big electrical supply connected to one drive and motor you have a huge number of drives and electrical connections and all the Control smarts to drive it. And then theming, good theming is very expensive, not just for construction but also the AV components to run it and the design fees just to come up with it in the first place. The numbers add up pretty quickly.

There was nothing special about the Premier ride that another manufacturer couldn’t knock up I would imagine. As for messaging, that’s really something that you’d do through press to announce the ride and through having the media put out articles covering it. I wouldn’t think you’d actually attempt to feature such things in an ad campaign.

About as far as possible from the family demographic they need to appeal to.

Yeah the liquid coaster (now note that I definitely didn't say Mack Water Coaster because they suck) idea is right for log ride area as it's more family in nature and could have an extended layout. I also firmly believe a typical shoot the chutes type ride like Intamin Mega Splash is needed in Ocean parade both for the weeny factor and also to give the park the wet capacity it needs with TRR gone. This type of ride is also very safe given the very shallow trough and wide boat which means its safe even though not permanently engaged with a track.

Compromise? https://rcdb.com/1893.htm The new Mack rocking boat prototype is probably another option to satisfy the now shy Australian market also.

They should replace the log ride with another well themed log ride. The park needs family rides and it desperately needs water attractions. doesn’t need a thrill gimmick but certainly needs a good family pleaser

Unless you play NRL in which case not required

Tempted to delete this post for being so silly but seems some things need to be very clearly spelled out. Typically we try to take a hands off approach to moderating and let people be adults. So if one person be's stupid and swears at another one it'll likely get a pass. Believe it or not mods don't read every single post, and if it's rubbish for a few posts they likely get a scroll by. But if there is this sort of thing buried in amongst a bunch of other terrible stuff yes of course it'll get removed. I mean the fact that this sort of thing needs to be explained to satisfy a question like this is why whole threads end up getting deleted because it's just too much effort to deal with this kind of nonsense.

I don't really understand... You're saying we take action without communicating up front. Are you suggesting we should post in a thread saying "hey please don't carry on with nonsense about a COO or we'll delete it" so that if people do that, and we delete it then it's up front? I mean how does that work? We deleted it, then just this morning I posted above why. Not really understanding this particular grievance here. If it's that it was deleted first and the explanation came later then the simple fact of the matter is it was deleted in the middle of the night, and then this morning one of us actually had time to write an explanation. As I alluded to earlier, all of us have jobs (and shock horror, lives) so aren't sitting in front of Parkz for 12 hours a day or more. And again disagree. Your post above talks about someones actions in running the park. That is very different to calling them a wanker because you didn't like what they said to you one time. Not sure if everyone else has the same, maybe they don't but I certainly have a 'FFS Filter' in my brain. When you read like 10 posts and your reaction is just 'For F** Sake look at this rubbish, it doesn't need to be here' that's when it's time to moderate. To be very open and honest the mod team had a brief discussion about the thread in question over whether it should be edited through, or just deleted without a trace, or hand picked into a new thread. We all decided that it was late and it was way too much effort to edit something that would likely then result in more carry ono about that. So in the end a new thread was created. The end result was the same so guess it's just not possible to win in this scenario. You'll see that Richard reaffirms my story from above as to why we arrived at the conclusion we did about the thread.

So, I'm not sure what is so hard to understand. We removed a thread because of the nonsense it contained, and then above is a bunch more of the same. This is a forum for discussing THEME PARKS, not personal grudges with people. How you feel about a particular persons personality is totally irrelevant to the running of a theme park and it's very obvious that a select few members here have a personal issue with one person. That's ok, we all have our issues with people, and some in park management. But this is not the place for it. If you want an example of what is acceptable discussion, read the post above. AlexB makes comment on the management of the parks and perception in the media without hurling personal insults. As for the hours of time wasted in people's posts being removed, well please blame your fellow members for turning the thread into a shit storm and not us. Do you realise how long it takes to sift through and weed out every single post one at a time? We may very well go through and put back some of the posts that were valuable, but that takes time, and the important thing to do was to quickly end the slinging that was going on in the other thread. Unfortunately there was some collateral damage, but sometimes that can't be avoided.

Let's all take a step back from our own personally created narratives for a moment here and look at things from the outside... The nonsense back and forth previous thread really did little more than embarrass both Parkz and honestly also to some extent the people posting. I have no doubt in my mind that the COO of VRTP couldn't give two shits what names some people on a forum call him, and certainly not enough to the extent anyone would contact us to remove the posts. The very boring truth of the matter is that all of the Admins felt it was a complete rubbish thread and it would be sad if anyone from management of any park did read it and took that as a reflection of the maturity of the enthusiast community as a whole.