Is this real? Will discussion be allowed?

[Richard]

OK. These graphical artists they hired did a pretty good job. They got the shape and intricate pattern of the dome perfectly correct, even putting the Channel 7 logo in the right spot. They got the shadows perfect, not to mention replicating the lighting of that photograph superbly. They got the tower joins in precisely the right spots. You can see they even got the track-tower joins correct. The station and queue house are identical to how they appeared. They even got the roof colour and precise winding shape of the outdoor queue entry section. They put in the back-of-house and exit paths, complete with the retaining walls exactly as they appeared once built. The trees and plants are superb, with one seen surrounded by mulch and bark. There's a tree that was perfectly layed over the top of this edited ride, just to give that added touch of realism. They didn't do this in one photograph, but several, each taken from a different angle. These are some pretty talented graphical designers, certainly better than those that Q1 at the Gold Coast hired. I don't even need to add that Q1 is a $500 million investment and Space Probe was what? Under $10 million? Unfortunately though, putting in the brakes completely slipped their minds. Stop looking at the picture so damn hard and actually think. If you stop trying to dissect these photographs and actually think logically, then 99% of your questions and doubts are answered. I've love to see more photographs from this set, because apparently some people still aren't convinced. Other angles of photographs from the same shoot, or high res originals (crop it so that it's juse Space Probe so you can upload them here) would be great in trying to get people thinking logically about this.

[Wonderbuzz]

Ok i must admit that the pic that Buzz just posted is real good quality, but i still don't see much difference between it and the one that was previously posted by myself.

As I said look at the red gondolas on Zodiac or the red roof at Wizards Fury, or even the Ch7 logo. Can't you see the overall light blue tinge? If you can't see any differences between the two then I recommend that you not pursue a future career involving graphic design or photography. As for the brakes, I can only think of two things: 1. Due to the distance, light and angle they are difficult/impossible to see 2. Since we don't have a specific date, the brakes haven't been put on yet. But this is very unlikely because they would've been installed prior to the station building and queue lines (which is fully intact). For the gaps/cracks on the dome, pretty much what's been said already. It's clean. The top dome wasn't exactly given the once over every day, so over the years the gaps got dirty and became more visible.

[T-bone]

Pickey Pickey Pickey Richard. Geeze, get some prozac into you.

[joz]

Allright, been searching around a few things, and I can explain what I was saying about concept pictures. Check out the photo of Tower of Terror on the left of the page on Ride Extravaganza. Basicly its a photo of Tower of Terror, which was photo shopped to include Giant Drop. Now look toward the base of the tower, and tell me what happens to the track...

[T-bone]

It stops. So what's your point? And what about the un-explained Shodows on the Queue line? I have posted another picture, and highlited it for your eyes.

[Richard]

Are you kidding? You genuinely still think it's a fake?

[DaptoFunlandGuy]

It stops. So what's your point? And what about the un-explained Shodows on the Queue line?   I have posted another picture, and highlited it for your eyes.

Its amazing to see how many posts hit this thread in such a short amount of time... Paul - the section you have highlighted in that photo is the covered walkway. this covered walkway was a "greeny" colour on the top through the bushes. (i think). if i am correct, it is not shadow you are seeing, but just the green walkway. Otherwise, maybe its just cloud cover? theres a bit of it up there, and there could be one little cloud perfectly sized to shadow out that little bit... the brakes are there, the shadows are correct to every degree.... what is the problem??? it is real. its simply as discussed above a matter of colour matching, an old picture thats a little fuzzy, not to mention that the image WAS probably retouched, SLIGHTLY, just to improve the look. but everything in that image was there when the photo was taken. as said before, you'd need George Lucas to get an image to look that real if it were fake.

[Wonderbuzz]

Here are more pics of the Space Probe from that same photo shoot. Scanned raw with no filters applied. The pattern on the dome can now clearly be seen. You'll probably notice on aerial_probe2.jpg that the green walkway where it joins to the queue line looks washed to white more than the others. I've noticed that the photos taken from the Zodiac side are like this, and as they moved towards the Demon it became more solid green as seen in aerial_probe1.jpg and aerial_probe3.jpg, it is consistant throughout the photoshoot and probably due to the angle and reflection of sunlight. So, you now have about 5 different photos to look at. For the skeptics, think about the following: - In the mid-90's do you really think Wonderland would've arranged so many fake/edit photos (remember there are more), considering the amount of detail we can see and the cost of having it done at that time? - Paul can't see any differences between the incorrect RGB and the correct RGB pictures, now that would throw off his judgement considerably. - I'll add that I'm scanning these pictures from an original 35mm positive (ie. full colour negative). And Paul, have a good read all the posts so far, all the evidence, and then you decide who's being "picky".

[T-bone]

I give up. I can't be screwed with this anymore. I am not a ********, and will stop posting on this topic as soon as possible considering everyone thinks i am a fair dinkum ******** aussie that can't tell the difference between a bread roll, and a roast. Gezze these forums have turned into a crap hole. Considering it was almost a year ago when everything was nice, and richard wasn't a screw job like he is now.

I mean richard, no offence, i love this site, and respect you, but why did you close the thread before anyone else could comment?

I take this back. I mean, this used to be the most freindliest forums in the world, now they are forums full of sleezebags. You all need to grow up. And wonderbuzz, just because we all were not IT guys for Wonderland, doesn't mean we know nothing. For all of you for Wonderbusses idea of the Photo being Fake (Pin142, SeanM) i thank you all, and have a safe New Year. For the rest, i hope you get what's comming to you, as you all suck, and don't have any life what so ever. Just because we ain't experts, doesn't mean we are always wrong. It could have been edited into the pic. Think about it for once you children. I want to know who sucked all the life out of these forums. No wonder why Daniel left.

[Richard]

See now this confuses me. You start a discussion, in which you want to find out whether a photograph is fake or not. People give logical reasons for why they believe their opinion on the matter is correct. What's missing for me is the step between that, and your most recent post Paul. I don't see how anything said thus far could warrant such a post. To everyone, if I've changed over the course of this site and Total Thrills, then I apologise. It's just that this didn't used to be an after-school babysitting service.

[T-bone]

I started "Is this Real" thread, Bus started this one. I just went along with it. You Closed that one, why not this one? It's like debating richard. They don't have manuals for Debating. Once you have a side, you have to keep that side. It's not like you can suddnely change your point of view. Debate closed, i am going to say it is now real, and on the plus side, i now have alot more photo's for the Video.

[Wonderbuzz]

Not once did I say that everybody else knows nothing. I'm not being aggressive and lashing out and saying "I'm right and you're wrong end of story!" I simply brought in evidence to support the claims that the photo in question was real, rather than straight out denying it, what was wrong with that? You said it's like a debate and you have to stick to your side, well that's what I did. Not only did I stick to my side, I backed it up. Yes, Wonderland has used edited/touched up photos, I know of some that you'll be hard pressed to spot. But the topic at hand isn't "could that photo be edited?", but rather "is that photo edited?". I'm sure you'd agree that there is a difference.

[T-bone]

It's cool Wonderbuzz, i wasn't really aiming at you anyway. More of people that say that i am wrong and they are right. You didn't do that. But there is still some issue on where the Track sticks out not far from the bottom. I can't stay angry at people that are nice, and peacfull like you Wonderbuzz. Plus you did sell me a flag, and a **** load of other stuff. Apologies? This debate is over. Now open for an Open, non debating discussion. But i am still sure there is some editing of some sort in that photo.

[Wonderbuzz]

Finally!! If it makes any difference, none of the other aerial shots really showed the brakes sticking out either and all the shots from the opposite side were too far away to see, so it's most likely an angle thing. Afterall how many times did you see the Space Probe from up in the air on that side compared to from the ground?

[T-bone]

Once. I saw it once. But i can't really remember that far away.

[Richard]

This has done its thing. You can ruin other threads whining about me elsewhere if that's what you want to do.