Murrisippi Motors - Vintage Cars to be relocated to Rivertown area at Dreamworld

[ShakeShack]

37 minutes ago, Brad2912 said:

Manufacturer, yes. State, no. 
there is no hour based requirement. Only state requirement is manufacturers recommendations are met 

State have a set amount of hours it needs to operate also, same goes for carnival rides, albeit less hours.

37 minutes ago, Brad2912 said:

id like to know where you pulled 1000 cycles for ST and DCR from. I believe it was substantially less.

Industry contacts provided me with that information. But there is a lot of information in other press releases across the world specifically for the Mack coasters and their commissioning requirements. Check the IAAPA database.

38 minutes ago, Brad2912 said:

Only thematic elements within a certain clearance of the track need to be fully in place prior to test cycles to be completed

This is correct when referencing reach/clearance tests, which we were not. Before an attraction can be fully "energised" or complete full circuits, all of the rides envelope is required to be fully secured. Once that happens the footprint is naturally classed as a red zone, meaning no one is inside that area, nor able to work within the space.

Temporary construction fencing is not classified as envelope fencing, so they would need to fully construct and finish anything main fences around the area. Doing this would obviously inhibit the work needing to be done on the surrounding area, including MM.

[Brad2912]

1 hour ago, ShakeShack said:

State have a set amount of hours it needs to operate also, same goes for carnival rides, albeit less hours

Not in Qld they don’t, which is what is relevant here.

you can find all requirements for the commission of new rides on the below link, zero mention of minimum testing hours, only that they meet manufacturer standards 

https://www.worksafe.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0016/118501/amusement-devices-cop-2023.pdf

1 hour ago, ShakeShack said:

Industry contacts provided me with that information. But there is a lot of information in other press releases across the world specifically for the Mack coasters and their commissioning requirements. Check the IAAPA database.

There is also people online who say they work for Mack and typical rides only require 100-150 cycles. So there is nothing definitive as Mack don’t publish their requirements publicly.

 

1 hour ago, ShakeShack said:

Before an attraction can be fully "energised" or complete full circuits, all of the rides envelope is required to be fully secured.

JR has already done a test cycle, so I am not sure how that is applied in this case. The coaster weaves around the land so a large proponent of the theming land-wise is outside the envelop aside from the temple area, so that work can continue whilst commissioning begins 

Edited October 8 by Brad2912

[ShakeShack]

13 minutes ago, Brad2912 said:

There is also people online who say they work for Mack and typical rides only require 100-150 cycles. So there is nothing definitive as Mack don’t publish their requirements publicly.

The Flash required more than 500 cycles for it to be completed.... so this is not true.

13 minutes ago, Brad2912 said:

JR has already done a test cycle, so I am not sure how that is applied in this case. The coaster we’ve around the land so a large proponent of the theming land-wise is outside the envelop aside from the temple area, so that work can continue whilst commissioning begins

Jogging a coaster between the maintenance bay, and the station is not a cycle.

Edited October 8 by ShakeShack

[Brad2912]

49 minutes ago, ShakeShack said:

The Flash required more than 500 cycles for it to be completed.... so this is not true.

That may be the manufacturer of Flash’s requirement. Which could have increased due to its being a relocation, or due to having new seats and harness installed.

also again, where is the 500 number from? if you tell me industry sources, then again that’s just conjecture. 

Funny you didn’t quote the bit of my post that unequivocally refuted your statement that states mandate testing hours… 

[DaptoFunlandGuy]

9 hours ago, ShakeShack said:

Temporary construction fencing is not classified as envelope fencing, so they would need to fully construct and finish anything main fences around the area.

I'd like to see the legal definition on what constitutes a ride envelope fence for my own curiosity. I've seen rides that have fences to exclude FOH, but BOH the ride was fully accessible - so just curious what defines it.

 

At any rate - we will know when they do actually test JR, whether it is at night or not, for the simple fact that the track going over the tunnel is currently wrapped in black plastic - so when that comes off, we'll know they're planning on testing soon.

[Levram__]

The other factor at play here is that each of the businesses that form part of the Major Amusement Park Safety Case are required to outline their own commissioning standard in the safety case outline. Its likely not to state the specific number of cycles in the outline but I know first hand that supporting documents for one particular property does outline a minimum number of cycles as part of the commissioning process. 500 cycles for example may sound like a lot but that figure can be tracked from the initial commencement of commissioning while the OEM still holds ownership of the ride, the figure is also not an unlikely benchmark. 

[wikiverse]

2 hours ago, DaptoFunlandGuy said:

I'd like to see the legal definition on what constitutes a ride envelope fence for my own curiosity. I've seen rides that have fences to exclude FOH, but BOH the ride was fully accessible - so just curious what defines it.

https://www.worksafe.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0016/118501/amusement-devices-cop-2023.pdf

Page 46.  You're welcome.

[DaptoFunlandGuy]

Thanks.

So by my reading, construction hoarding would meet the requirements under the regs provided it was suitably signposted?

 

[New display name]

Good to know electric farm fences, are allowed.  /s

 

MW I'm looking at you.

[wikiverse]

7 hours ago, DaptoFunlandGuy said:

Thanks.

So by my reading, construction hoarding would meet the requirements under the regs provided it was suitably signposted?

Correct.  Even mesh fencing without the HDPE hoarding panels would exceed requirements.  Both are just as secure as the black chainlink fences that parks love to put up around coasters.

[Michelangelo]

Based on the 7News report, it would seem DW are still confident on opening end of this year…

[Tim Dasco]

56 minutes ago, Michelangelo said:

Based on the 7News report, it would seem DW are still confident on opening end of this year…

Despite the track not being fully completed. The footage shows track bits having been removed.

 

Which would mean 0 testing is taking place. 

[Michelangelo]

GCB says before Christmas:

The project is expected to open to the public before Christmas.

https://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/entertainment/dreamworld-vietnam-warera-raaf-caribou-a4179-installed-in-rivertown-precinct-of-gold-coast-theme-park/news-story/416c70a9c24e8a35bad33681a6a1acf0

I feel like it’s too close to the date to be throwing out things like “by end of 2024” or “before Christmas” if it weren’t achievable. Now would be the time they’d bring in more vague timelines like “opening soon” or “opening this summer” in their comms if they wouldn’t make it.

[DaptoFunlandGuy]

3 hours ago, Michelangelo said:

I feel like it’s too close to the date to be throwing out things like “by end of 2024” or “before Christmas” if it weren’t achievable. Now would be the time they’d bring in more vague timelines like “opening soon” or “opening this summer” in their comms if they wouldn’t make it.

Settle down, this isn't the new atlantis precinct we're talking about, you can't just go moving the goalposts and changing opening dates on a regular basis if it isn't a world class precinct you know...

[Themepark Enthusist]

I don't think the testing is the end all and be all, doing some rough math and assuming the ride lasts 3 minutes, to get 500 cycles if that is what we are going to assume, that only requires 25 hours of cycles which can technically be achieved in two days if it comes down to that, or in 5days assuming they do 5hrs of cycling a day.

 

We also haven't seen FoTWW start testing either so it is hard to know how far behind any of them are.

Edited October 9 by Themepark Enthusist

[New display name]

Your math is way way off.  You haven't allowed for any testing of the restraint system.

Cycling the ride, isn't just hitting the green button.

[Gazza]

You can def send a train every 3 mins with  live guests and a good crew.

I mean a 3 min interval = 20 trains per hour, 20 seats, is "only" 400 persons per hour.

I imagine its even quicker without guests, you don't have to wait for them to be seated or store items, you are just cycling the gates and flicking the restraints down.

 

 

[New display name]

34 minutes ago, Gazza said:

You can def send a train every 3 mins with  live guests and a good crew.

I mean a 3 min interval = 20 trains per hour, 20 seats, is "only" 400 persons per hour.

I imagine its even quicker without guests, you don't have to wait for them to be seated or store items, you are just cycling the gates and flicking the restraints down.

 

 

 

48 minutes ago, New display name said:

Cycling the ride, isn't just hitting the green button.

 

[Tricoart]

4 hours ago, Themepark Enthusist said:

doing some rough math and assuming the ride lasts 3 minutes, to get 500 cycles if that is what we are going to assume, that only requires 25 hours of cycles

2 hours ago, New display name said:

Your math is way way off.

2 hours ago, Gazza said:

You can def send a train every 3 mins

[New display name]

Who cares if you can send a train every 3mins, because that isn't how the ride is commissioned and why the math is incorrect.

Has nobody here read an operational manual?  /s

Sure, there are periods you cycle in blocks, but a lot of the times you are testing during the cycles.

An example of a commissioning procedure.

1. Mark where empty train stops in station.

2. Complete (?) cycles.

3. Check empty train is stopping on the same marks.

4. Load train with dummies.

5. Complete (?) cycles.

6. Check loaded train is stopping on the same marks.

 

 

 

 

[Gazza]

I think when people talk about successful 500 cycles, they are talking about the final stage where you are "stress testing" the ride and just running it non stop. The final box to tick, so to speak. You'd hope the ride was stopping in the right place every time by that point.

All this finer calibration you mention where you measure stopping positions, individually test circuits etc happens early on.

 

On 09/10/2024 at 10:50 AM, DaptoFunlandGuy said:

Thanks.

So by my reading, construction hoarding would meet the requirements under the regs provided it was suitably signposted?

 

I would think so, I mean think of all those travelling rides where the fencing is just standard crowd barriers you see at New Years Eve.

[Themepark Enthusist]

33 minutes ago, New display name said:

Mark where empty train stops in station.

2. Complete (?) cycles.

3. Check empty train is stopping on the same marks.

4. Load train with dummies.

5. Complete (?) cycles.

6. Check loaded train is stopping on the same marks.

They could be doing this now especially as they can just be cycling from transfer to the station, the ride does not need to do a full circuit to test any of the finer things. 

 

I would imagine there would be more then just one team working on the Jungle Rush area, and while some teams are working on MM, I'm sure Vekoma is down there programming and testing alot of the smaller aspects to a rides commissioning process.

34 minutes ago, New display name said:

Has nobody here read an operational manual?  /s

Not everyone works in a theme park, so no I'm going to assume most people have not read an operational manual related to a theme park ride

Edited October 10 by Themepark Enthusist

[New display name]

@Gazza The number of cycles is tracked from the commencement of commissioning.   If people are saying the ride requires a block of 500 cycles before going into operation, I would like to know where they pulled that number from.

[Ashley Jeffery]

7 hours ago, New display name said:

@Gazza The number of cycles is tracked from the commencement of commissioning.   If people are saying the ride requires a block of 500 cycles before going into operation, I would like to know where they pulled that number from.

Go outside and touch some grass man. Your getting to Alvey levels.

[Jokes_on_you]

On 9/10/2024 at 10:42 PM, Tim Dasco said:

Despite the track not being fully completed. The footage shows track bits having been removed.

 

Which would mean 0 testing is taking place. 

Yeah, I saw that too. It makes me wonder if they found an issue, especially since they had to remove pieces after announcing the final one was installed on July 30th.
 

You think they’ve carefully planned the installation of the rollercoaster and theming to avoid more delays. Although, with the rain this week and as the Operations Manager mentioned on an earlier tv interview, ‘if the rain stays away, we plan to be opening by the end of the year.’ 😬