Dreamworld Flyer

[Rivals]

2 hours ago, Gobbledok said:

I dont think youre allowed to say bad things about dreamworld on here people get upset 

constantly complaining about nothing is annoying when it comes to any park. period.

[andrewt92]

18 hours ago, New display name said:

Greenery will make it look better but the 3 layers of pool fencing I don't like.   

What is even the point of this fence?  Why is the fencing so high above the handrails?  

Let's go to the expensive of great building that are in keeping with the other facades of the area and whack 3 ugly fences in front of them.🤷‍♂️

 

 

As for what I would do.  I would match the stage.

 

 

 

 

You brought it up.

 

 

I don't think you understand the basic purpose of pool fencing. Good thing the designers do. 

[themagician]

Jaggs Journey has shared these photos and overall I think it looks really good. Could there be some improvements, there always is, but that doesn’t mean what they’ve built is bad in any way. I think it’s fantastic they’ve built a ramp so everyone can get that iconic DW photo (kudos to the park for recognising the importance of this)

I agree the ‘pool fencing’ wouldn’t have been my choice and it probably wasn’t the parks either, but when it comes to budgets and recognising what’s more important, that money saved on the fencing was probably put somewhere else that’s actually more important. If the budget allowed, I would’ve continued the glass balustrades that are in front of the globe all the wall to the left and right. And when you look at the overall picture, I think the white painted block walls work because they disappear in the overall context and general day guests aren’t going to notice it.

And I would’ve continued the timber flooring down the ramp. And in a perfect world, I would’ve avoided that step up in the fencing to the left to keep that consistent line, but compliance and certifiers wouldn’t have allowed that for whatever reason.

[New display name]

The maximum fall height anywhere around the ramp is 750mm  so as far as the NCC is concerned @themagicianno balustrade is required, only the handrail and bottom rail, which in this case,  is the block wall, DW has extended past the ramp.  DW has installed the fencing off its own back.

I'm fine some people thinking it's fine, as what I said is what I like, and I was talking for nobody else.

Side note, because people keep saying it was because off budget.  It looks like a bunnings pool fence but in reality, it's an expensive fence made to look like a bunnings pool fence.  

Edited November 10, 2023 by New display name

[themagician]

47 minutes ago, New display name said:

 DW has installed the fencing off its own back.

And I guess that’s there way of avoiding any potential lawsuits because if they didn’t install it, I’m sure it would only be a matter of time before a kid decides to run down the ramp, trips and falls off the end and the parents decide to sue.

48 minutes ago, New display name said:

I’m fine some people thinking it's fine, as what I said is what I like, and I was talking for nobody else.

And I respect your opinion. I disagree with it, but that’s what personal opinions and this forum is for… discussing our thoughts and opinions.

[New display name]

Sorry @themagician I wasn't referring to you, when I was talking about opinions.  You are definitely not in my Karen group because you are always open to other people's opinions.

I do agree, something was needed to stop the kids climbing, which is sad but it is the time we live in.  

 

I would have been happy with an electric fence.  //s

Edited November 11, 2023 by New display name

[Spotty]

2 hours ago, themagician said:

And I guess that’s there way of avoiding any potential lawsuits because if they didn’t install it, I’m sure it would only be a matter of time before a kid decides to run down the ramp, trips and falls off the end and the parents decide to sue.

Sadly this is most likely the reason, remember the person that tried to sue Movie World for falling off a flower bed (despite signs saying do not climb in flower bed...)

Yes, I think it could have been done a little bit nicer sure. But overall the whole area looks very clean, and I actually really like the way the 2 buildings either side of the globe seem to frame it. I really think this will change the whole front entry to the park once it's fully operational. All I can wish for is Sky Voyager's facade to be changed to match the rest of the area. 

[Baconjack]

You can barely even see the fence on the globe and the ramp doesn't look terrible from the perspective of walking into the park i don't see how this affects photo ops etc

Edited November 11, 2023 by Baconjack

[themagician]

38 minutes ago, Spotty said:

All I can wish for is Sky Voyager's facade to be changed to match the rest of the area. 

I think that’s all everyone wishes for, probably even the current parks management (since they’re leaning into the nostalgic/OG Dreamworld). In a perfect world, they rip down all the nasty of the SV facade, rebuild a replica of the original theatre facade as much as possible and retheme the rides queue to suit.
 

I think this might have been discussed before and anyone with better knowledge on this subject, please share such knowledge. I know there were modifications to the building because I don’t believe the SV theatre would have fitted in the original building, but at the time, if management really wanted too, could they have kept the original facade?

Edited November 11, 2023 by themagician

[Spotty]

1 hour ago, themagician said:

I think that’s all everyone wishes for, probably even the current parks management (since they’re leaning into the nostalgic/OG Dreamworld). In a perfect world, they rip down all the nasty of the SV facade, rebuild a replica of the original theatre facade as much as possible and retheme the rides queue to suit.
 

I think this might have been discussed before and anyone with better knowledge on this subject, please share such knowledge. I know there were modifications to the building because I don’t believe the SV theatre would have fitted in the original building, but at the time, if management really wanted too, could they have kept the original facade?

Fairly sure it was extended to fit the ride in, but not certain. I wouldn't be surprised if after Rivertown is completed that Sky Voyager maybe gets a retheme. Honestly, once Rivertown opens the park as a whole would be pretty well rounded overall and I can't think of too much more they could really do (except for a decent water ride and maybe a dark ride depending on how Jungle Rush ends up). 

As a whole I really think Dreamworld is making the right moves, obviously there is still work to be done but overall the park is showing much more promise than it has in many years (and honestly since before the rapid's incident) and some clear direction as to where they want the park to go.

Edited November 11, 2023 by Spotty

[wikiverse]

Firstly, the globe looks great.  The return to the classic font is very welcome, in my opinion. The buildings look great, and I'm glad to see DW putting in the effort for more accessibility.

I doubt DW are going to keep a bare fence throughout most of the year, and this fence design will make it easier to hang banners and other seasonal decorations.  I think once all the construction around the park is done, Seasonal Theming will be a great way for DW to keep the park looking fresh and provide a novel experience, without a lot of expense.

 

[themagician]

13 minutes ago, Spotty said:

and I can't think of too much more they could really do

Except develop the former rocky hollow section of the land and fix up the back corner of Ocean Parade. Rivertown will definitely fix up and vastly improve that section of the park, but they definitely can’t (and doubt they will) stop because there parts that still need work in the coming years.

[Tricoart]

Honestly, the way that it is post-Flyer, Sky Voyager’s not really an eyesore anymore. Yeah, it’d be better if it was themed with the rest of Main Street, but if anything were to be redone I’d vote Motocoaster much sooner than SV.

11 minutes ago, themagician said:

Except develop the former rocky hollow section of the land and fix up the back corner of Ocean Parade. Rivertown will definitely fix up and vastly improve that section of the park, but they definitely can’t (and doubt they will) stop because there parts that still need work in the coming years.

I’m also hoping they do something with the Vintage Cars plot post-relocation. Something that entices guests to stay longer in that side of the park, like they’ve done with the Bilby Discovery Centre & nocturnal house reopening. Might be too niche or unlikely, but I’d love to see a well themed reptile house.

Edited November 11, 2023 by Tricoart

[wikiverse]

1 hour ago, themagician said:

I know there were modifications to the building because I don’t believe the SV theatre would have fitted in the original building, but at the time, if management really wanted too, could they have kept the original facade?

The building was extended into the street where Boost juice used to be and the horrible glass office towers were added.  But the facade is just aluminium cladding hanging off a steel frame.  They could have designed literally anything, moulded it in fibreglass and hung it off a steel frame.

Apart from the glass office tower elements, the rest is superficial and could easily be torn down and replaced.  Honestly, this and Motocoaster should be the next major projects.  Once Rivertown opens, DW needs to get the current park into the best shape it can be, with a unified aesthetic and experience before expanding further.

 

[themagician]

9 minutes ago, Tricoart said:

Might be too niche or unlikely, but I’d love to see a well-themed reptile house.

The former corroboree theatre could be a great spot for something like that.

[Tricoart]

12 minutes ago, themagician said:

The former corroboree theatre could be a great spot for something like that.

True, for the smaller indoor species, though they’ve currently got them in the aforementioned nocturnal house & Discovery Centre anyway. What I was thinking was a not completely enclosed, specialised building for larger indoor/outdoor species, like the more modern reptile houses found elsewhere in the world. If they weren’t to do reptiles, though, they’ve got decent crowd gatherers in Platypus, Echidna, Wallabies, etc. that they could potentially acquire if they wanted to. And, if done right, they could hypothetically just replace it with a ride of some kind, it’d just be harder to make it make sense.

Edited November 11, 2023 by Tricoart

[Vidgamer]

They were recently doing some work on the corroboree theatre so they may have some plans for there. Honestly I do agree that once Rivertown is done they could tidy up Sky Voyager and Motocoaster and then work from there. I think the next large spend is probably likely to be 2026 (Rocky Hollow?) so 2025 is a good time to do general tidying up. 

I still think Dreamworld's next work should be on other experiences beyond rides, things like Seabed Splash, the theatre, the ball pit are all great 'fillers', a Giant 'Ocean Parade' Playground in the old Trolls village would be a great 'people soak' near food.

 

[jjuttup]

The entire back part of the park needs love. 

Theatre still hasnt opened, devils feels more like a dead end, no sheep, no other shows/talks outside of crocs and koalas, iirc theres 2 places to see spinfex mice now, and RH right through to the peninsular the BB stage lived on.

If they were to put in a "small species" exhibit, Currumbins tree house thing is a great way to pull it off. Alternatively, Taronga's devil house is a great lesson in using blind corners.

[Tricoart]

2 hours ago, jjuttup said:

iirc theres 2 places to see spinfex mice now

You may be thinking about the ex-Bilby enclosure that’s now occupied by them, and the Fat-Tailed Dunnarts that are adjacent to the new Bilby enclosure. 

 

But yeah, Currumbin’s was moreso what I was thinking w/ a reptile house, though there are other similar examples (mostly outside of Australia, but, for within, a facility like the new Taronga reptile house would also be feasible).

[DaptoFunlandGuy]

On 10/11/2023 at 12:39 PM, New display name said:

Greenery will make it look better but the 3 layers of pool fencing I don't like.   

What is even the point of this fence?  Why is the fencing so high above the handrails?  

Let's go to the expensive of great building that are in keeping with the other facades of the area and whack 3 ugly fences in front of them.🤷‍♂️

 

 

As for what I would do.  I would match the stage.

 

 

 

 

You brought it up.

 

 

Thanks, that helps explain a lot. It's kinda hard to understand someone just saying "it's shit" without understanding why, especially when there are other examples out there that nobody has critiqued as harshly. I can understand your position better now, thanks.

It hadn't occurred to me that climbing kids would be a reason for the install but now it's been said it's the only real reason I can see for them going down this route. Glass would have been nicer, but a lot more expensive.

On 10/11/2023 at 7:31 PM, Rivals said:

idk, grown adults complaining about a ramp only used to create the photo op more accessible for families is pretty annoying tbh. it looks fine, it does its job and that’s it. do we really have nothing better to do on a friday night.

Look, understanding the specifics of the complaint, as well as seeing examples of how it might have been improved upon and I can understand the position. Like most other things in-park, we as a community are far more likely to have an opinion on how it could\should be done. 

The thing is, some folk will be content to sit back and point out things they don't like, and (preferably) suggest how they would have done it differently. Other folk will go so far down the rabbit hole they end up working for companies that do this sort of thing for a living and actually make those suggestions \ changes in the design phase.

Sometimes, this results in an improved product delivery because the enthusiasts became the designers. (We have a number of people on the forums who have taken that route, though I won't identify them as it's not my place to do so). Sometimes though, the park may not wish to spend the extra on plussing the design - so sometimes we end up with more basic installs, for whatever reason. 

We're still allowed to discuss it though - that's the whole purpose of this place.

On 11/11/2023 at 1:32 PM, themagician said:

I think this might have been discussed before and anyone with better knowledge on this subject, please share such knowledge. I know there were modifications to the building because I don’t believe the SV theatre would have fitted in the original building, but at the time, if management really wanted too, could they have kept the original facade?

Honestly looking at before and after photos (and with no industry insights whatsoever) I feel like the facade could have been kept, if that's what they wanted to do. They probably should have kept it too. Preserving it in front of whatever new bits they needed would have cost a lot more than what was built though, and therein lies the rub. 

I agree it doesn't look so out of place anymore, and I think the white walls will make a great canvas for the light package at night. It is something i'd like them to fix up, but not anything i want them to prioritise over the other parts of the park people have mentioned. Cosmetic changes are things they should look at when everything else has been done, and they've still got money left over. Reskinning the building isn't going to change the ride experience. Perhaps when the ride has had a good run and they decide to change it up with a new unique film, they could incorporate facade changes to match the new film, but just changing it as a matter of course, I don't see the point.

[Guest 239]

I appreciate the additional insight @New display name. I'm not trying to undermine your opinion. This project is incremental, and therefore so is the discussion It's my bad that I mistook you for nitpicking.

I don't have an issue with anybody disliking anything. Dislike to your hearts content. It's just nitpicking that bothers me, but I personally shouldn't have jumped the gun. 

Edited November 13, 2023 by Guest 239

[New display name]

@DaptoFunlandGuysometimes it comes down the park spending the money in the wrong areas.  Steel Taipan has the most expensive queue rails/balustrading on the Gold Coast.

9 minutes ago, Guest 239 said:

I don't have an issue with anybody disliking anything. Dislike to your hearts content. It's just nitpicking that bothers me, but I personally shouldn't have jumped the gun. 

Thank you.  I probably was a bit grumpy Friday, after my flights home, so I'm sorry for my part in it.

Edited November 13, 2023 by New display name

[Guest 239]

10 minutes ago, New display name said:

Thank you.  I probably was a bit grumpy Friday, after my flights home, so I'm sorry for my part in it.

Totally fair. You came back from Tokyo. I'd be grumpy too haha.

[themagician]

12 minutes ago, New display name said:

Steel Taipan has the most expensive queue rails/balustrading on the Gold Coast.

Very true! But I'd argue that was money well spent because there's a lot of it and it's something everyone notices. If they'd gone cheap on that it would have reduced the quality of the whole area.

Other than wishing there was more rockwork around the coaster's track and some more well designed shading for those waiting for riders, there isn't much I can fault about the overall Steel Taipan precinct.

[New display name]

In a perfect world, I would have added an extra cave over the launch track.  But if DW only had the money for one cave and I was to design the theming, I would have built the cave over the launch track instead of the current cave.  Not only would it hide the back of house amenities, you would experience the cave 3 times.  Caves should disorientate you because you go from light to darkness to light again but DW's cave doesn't do that, because DW gave the cave windows.

Edited November 13, 2023 by New display name