DC Rivals HyperCoaster construction discussion

[themagician]

Update around GL and the footer in the carpark. Also most of the footings seem to be completed out the front of the park as fresh soil is being poured around them.

(Once again, I take a picture the right way but uploads upside down)

[rappa]

All this talk of "this park announced this and this park announced that"...

 

None of those park are at the centre of an industry that has just suffered a tragic event, not even so sure why people are so desperate for an announcement. It's clear that the ride is under construction so what do we care whether it's announced or not.

[DaptoFunlandGuy]

I understand the impact the incident has had on the industry. It's the primary reason why i'm not banging the announcement drum - i hear you....

 

...but I have to say I understand why so many people are banging that drum... as far as caring whether its announced etc - i think many people are just looking for official confirmation of certain details. ride type, length, height, theme, concept art, layout etc. sure we might not get all of it, or we might get it all, but some additional detail...

VR, hell - all parks on the coast are pretty renowned for being tight lipped on new attractions well and long after the cat has been let out of the bag unofficially through other channels, and we've long criticised them for it.

I certainly won't fault them for not making an announcement in the wake of the events that we've seen at Dreamworld, but I will fault them for not sticking to their original 'major announcement in 60 days' message that came out in (checks Jamberoo's Fridge post) July I think... and note that had VR kept to that timeline, the ride would have been announced well before now.

For my own views, back when Doomsday was due to launch, I bought into the idea that you wouldn't want to overshadow what was (a very well done) filler attraction with a much larger blockbuster - but looking back I think the double 'left-right' combination of 'new ride open, next big thing already on it's way' could have made bigger headlines than the Doomsday Destroyer would have done standalone.

Now, specifically because of the incident at Dreamworld, the impact of any announcement will have to be much lower key, unless they delay it for several months - and in doing so, they'll once again be telling us things well after the cat is out - because we'll have footers, supports, probably track, before that occurs.

[New display name]

4 hours ago, themagician said:

 

By the size of the footer and the amount of Tie-down I might have to rethink if this footer is for bracing.  Might be a chance that you will drive under the coaster as you enter the park.

 

Ok who has ridden a Mack train like this?

 

What do you think about your feet not touching the floor?

 

Mack wheel porn. (just because)

 

Edited November 29, 2016 by YLFATEEKS

[Santa07]

B&M Hyper seats are a fair way above the floor too, I think it adds an element of insecurity and freedom.

[thunder001]

Ok, now i understand why i have been calling the footings for our jobs, footers.  You guys have no idea how much I have been paid out in the last month and I had no idea where i picked it up from....for the record, they are always footings...  

[New display name]

@thunder001 The age old foundation debate.  For on the record it's a regional thing.  In Australia it's a footing.  If someone ask you for a biscuit or a cookie do you correct them or do you know what they are talking about.  If I'm talking to a client and the person calls it a footer,  I will call it a footer too, not to confuse that person.  @themagician called it a footer so I called it the same so if somebody is reading it they won't think we are talking about 2 different things.

[aaronm]

19 hours ago, YLFATEEKS said:

Ok who has ridden a Mack train like this?

What do you think about your feet not touching the floor?

The trains on Helix and Blue Fire are among the most comfortable out there - good freedom of movement in the seat without feeling stapled.

[downunder]

If I remember correctly, Blue Fire had a heart rate monitor with the restraints which was really cool. I concur, so comfortable. 

[mattcrombie]

On 29/11/2016 at 3:12 PM, YLFATEEKS said:

By the size of the footer and the amount of Tie-down I might have to rethink if this footer is for bracing.  Might be a chance that you will drive under the coaster as you enter the park.

 

Ok who has ridden a Mack train like this?

 

What do you think about your feet not touching the floor?

 

Mack wheel porn. (just because)

 

I've rode Blue Fire at Europa Park. Its amazing. So smooth. My favourite coaster at that park

[SunshineTom]

This ride is going to propel Movie World to the top for sure. I hope the investment pays in dividends that they can keep this level of investment up in the future. We all know what happened after The Tower of Terror/GD got installed. A serious lul in major capital investment at DW. 

[Reanimated35]

16 minutes ago, SunshineTom said:

This ride is going to propel Movie World to the top for sure. I hope the investment pays in dividends that they can keep this level of investment up in the future. We all know what happened after The Tower of Terror/GD got installed. A serious lul in major capital investment at DW. 

Village has already shown a completely different path to Ardent with it comes to capex spending. It hardly seems like anything to worry about. 

[SunshineTom]

1 minute ago, reanimated35 said:

Village has already shown a completely different path to Ardent with it comes to capex spending. It hardly seems like anything to worry about. 

 

 

I realise they are capable of more frequent capital investments but i want the frequency to speed up a bit more, like Dollywood. Only problem is they dont have the space do they? I need to see an updated aerial map to really get a better grasp of the potential for near-future investments. 

[Reanimated35]

5 minutes ago, SunshineTom said:

I realise they are capable of more frequent capital investments but i want the frequency to speed up a bit more, like Dollywood. Only problem is they dont have the space do they? I need to see an updated aerial map to really get a better grasp of the potential for near-future investments. 

2011 - Green Lantern
2012 - JL3D
2012 - Constrictor
2013 - Storm 
2014 - Junior Driving School
2014 - WnW Junior
2016 - Doomsday Destroyer
2017 - Coaster
 

You're right, pull your damn finger out Village, it's time to spend some money.... 

[SunshineTom]

11 minutes ago, reanimated35 said:

2011 - Green Lantern
2012 - JL3D
2012 - Constrictor
2013 - Storm 
2014 - Junior Driving School
2014 - WnW Junior
2016 - Doomsday Destroyer
2017 - Coaster
 

You're right, pull your damn finger out Village, it's time to spend some money.... 

 

I'm not saying they need to pull their finger out, i'm simply saying i hope they can keep it up. Geesh what a welcome. 

[Reanimated35]

29 minutes ago, SunshineTom said:

I realise they are capable of more frequent capital investments but i want the frequency to speed up a bit more

 

8 minutes ago, SunshineTom said:

I'm not saying they need to pull their finger out, i'm simply saying i hope they can keep it up. Geesh what a welcome. 

No you're not. 

I'm the resident asshole, you'll get used to it.

[Jamberoo Fan]

2 hours ago, SunshineTom said:

 We all know what happened after The Tower of Terror/GD got installed.

Owners of DW also changed after GD was installed - that's another reason why those high thrill attractions of the scale of TOT II/GD don't get installed currently..

[SunshineTom]

1 minute ago, Jamberoo Fan said:

Owners of DW also changed after GD was installed - that's another reason why those high thrill attractions of the scale of TOT II/GD don't get installed currently..

 

Damn, would've been cool to see what had happened if DW had stayed with the same owners and they kept up with that type of capital expenditure. Maybe if Ardent/Macquarie hadn't of bought it things could've been very different in terms of a certain incident too. Could've, should've, would've i guess. All spilt milk, water under the bridge i guess. 

[Jamberoo Fan]

14 minutes ago, SunshineTom said:

Damn, would've been cool to see what had happened if DW had stayed with the same owners and they kept up with that type of capital expenditure.

Australia's population probably would have slowed down that scale of capital expenditure had they continued as return on investment would have been very difficult.

1 minute ago, SunshineTom said:

Maybe if Ardent/Macquarie hadn't of bought it things could've been very different in terms of a certain incident too.

There is still a likely chance the Thunder River Rapids incident would have happened regardless of who owned DW.

[SunshineTom]

38 minutes ago, Jamberoo Fan said:

Australia's population probably would have slowed down that scale of capital expenditure had they continued as return on investment would have been very difficult.

There is still a likely chance the Thunder River Rapids incident would have happened regardless of who owned DW.

 

Yeah you're right. I shouldn't speculate. I just feel like ever since GD/TOT there have been so many missed opportunities to make the park into something world class. Starting with the mishap that was Cyclone and the total misfire with the motorcoaster. And the underwhelming Buzzsaw. I would swap all 3 in an instant for a B&M lol 

[XxMrYoshixX]

1 hour ago, SunshineTom said:

Damn, would've been cool to see what had happened if DW had stayed with the same owners and they kept up with that type of capital expenditure. Maybe if Ardent/Macquarie hadn't of bought it things could've been very different in terms of a certain incident too. Could've, should've, would've i guess. All spilt milk, water under the bridge i guess. 

Wasn't DW owned by a Singaporean company at the time TOT and GD was installed, before Ardent (then Macquarie) bought it? I doubt that company would build enormous rides long after those were installed either, unless they were making money hand over fist. Combined the Dreamworld Tower and its two rides cost $28 million (over $45 million in today's money) and no theme park in Australia has ever been able to top that cost, not with Superman or possibly even the Mack hyper this thread is dedicated to.

If Macquarie never bought the park, the situation would remain roughly the same, give or take a couple of rides. $28 million was an exorbitant investment for the theme park industry at the time (considering that B&M coasters such as Hulk or Raptor cost between $12-18m) and I doubt that company would be able to buy another ride for Dreamworld again for a long time. Now, it would be cool to see what happens overall, but I doubt it would be completely different to what happened today.

Edited December 3, 2016 by XxMrYoshixX

[New display name]

16 hours ago, SunshineTom said:

This ride is going to propel Movie World to the top for sure. I hope the investment pays in dividends that they can keep this level of investment up in the future. We all know what happened after The Tower of Terror/GD got installed. A serious lul in major capital investment at DW. 

DW have spent the big bucks, just not in the area you want.   DW spent 55 million on WWW.  I don't think DW adding one 55 million dollar ride would ever of given them the same return that WWW has.  You have to remember that DW charged you for the Thunderbolt when it first opened.  What happens if this new coaster opens up at MW and they charge you $5.00 to ride?  Would you be happy to pay it?  If DW can't make a return of a ride, why would they build it?

 

13 hours ago, SunshineTom said:

 I would swap all 3 in an instant for a B&M lol 

What B&M coaster do you want?   When I go shopping for a new car I don't say I want a new KIA.  I would say I want a new KIA Carnival because I have 48 kids to stuff inside. 

 

Edited December 3, 2016 by YLFATEEKS

[Gazza]

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Combined the Dreamworld Tower and its two rides cost $28 million 

Source?

[DaptoFunlandGuy]

On 03/12/2016 at 3:38 PM, SunshineTom said:

 I need to see an updated aerial map to really get a better grasp of the potential for near-future investments. 

The most up to date aerial imagery has already been posted in this thread. There's only 72 pages, shouldn't take too long.

Here's a tip - nearmap updated their images in mid-september, so i'd have a look at posts mid-late september to narrow it down.

[Richard]

 

17 hours ago, Gazza said:

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Combined the Dreamworld Tower and its two rides cost $28 million 

Source?

It's an interesting one. $16 million for Tower of Terror isn't disputed, but Dreamworld cited the figure of $12 million for Giant Drop in their press releases for the ride. I am however absolutely certain that Giant Drop only cost around $4 million to build as the bulk of the structural work was completed for Tower of Terror.

I believe $12 million was the figure for if they built Giant Drop as a standalone attraction. For whatever reason Dreamworld went with this inflated figure in their promotion for the ride.