Superman Escape: Third Train

[Tin Foil Hat]

Hi all,

Quick one. Does anyone know if it would be possible to add a third train to superman to increase capacity?

[pushbutton]

It wouldn't be practical or necessary due to the very short ride time. 

[AllegroCrab]

Unless there's a hidden block section somewhere that I don't know of, I'm going to say no. 

The unload platform is after the magnetic brakes which are not a block, they just slow the train for entry into the unload area (think of them as massive trims). The other train doesn't launch until the previous train has left the unload area into the station, so that the unload block is free.

In terms of adding a block, even if you added one where the magnetic brakes are now, the ops would have to work significantly faster than they currently do. Even then I think the trains would stack very regularly, including before the launch if unload operations are slow, which isn't desirable.

[red dragin]

Even if you had a longer track, the main restriction would be the reload time for the winch. Only so fast it can reset. 

[pin142]

The only upside to a third train would be able to run two trains on the track at all times with while the third is stripped down for maintenance. The reasons it hasn't been done are mentioned above.

[Spotty]

Physically not possible due to the block systems and controls. It would require a full overhaul of the mechanics to allow this, for minimal gain. When the ride runs 2 trains, the capacity is more than sufficient. If they had a second storage / maintenance bay it would be possible to have a 3rd so they could always have 2 running but it's just not going to happen.

[Whombex]

Only thing I could think of is the addition of a block section in the subway, where additional story could be told. 

[pushbutton]

It's just not needed!

[red dragin]

As I said before, the winch system is the limitation.

The few times I've ridden it in two train operation, we've normally ended up either slowing or completely stopping entering the section with the catch car. To me that part of the ride should be quickly taken around the police car and latched onto the catch car as quickly as possible. Not twiddling our thumbs waiting between "it's superman" and "alright folks....." whilst the system catches up.

Adding blocks won't improve throughput, it will just lengthen the ride time and increase maintenance (extra train, extra sensors etc).

[Slick]

There's a point where having a third train is just counter-productive. You can only load/unload guests so fast, doubly so when you've got Movie World's operating procedures to deal with. Even during school holidays, a much larger, longer ride like Rivals still has issues with trains stacking at the station with two trains. 

The design of both Superman & Rivals (the lack of a MCBR, additional block brake areas etc.) would mean that you'd have a train just sitting somewhere along the line, either in the dark ride area in Superman's case or on the lift hill in Rivals' case. As a park, you'd be paying for a third train and all the additional ongoing costs associated with it to essentially have people waiting on the ride instead of in the queue. 

It'll never happen.

[DaptoFunlandGuy]

Ok - I now count 9 replies all variously saying it can't, or why it can't. I think this has been answered thoroughly - can we close this thing off now?

[webslave]

What you're all forgetting is that there isn't enough free blocks for three trains.

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4 minutes ago, webslave said:

What you're all forgetting is that there isn't enough free blocks for three trains.

Utilise the launch as a block.  Now you have 3.

[webslave]

15 blocks available:

[wikiverse]

5 minutes ago, Skeeta said:

Utilise the launch as a block.  Now you have 3.

 

The launch is already utilised as a block.  You need at least 4 blocks to run 3 trains, since you need the train ahead to have cleared the next block before the train will release from the current block.  If you run 3 trains on 3 blocks, no train can move because the block ahead will always be occupied.

[DaptoFunlandGuy]

1. <headdesk>

2. <goto>*line1*

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19 minutes ago, wikiverse said:

 

The launch is already utilised as a block.  You need at least 4 blocks to run 3 trains, since you need the train ahead to have cleared the next block before the train will release from the current block.  If you run 3 trains on 3 blocks, no train can move because the block ahead will always be occupied.

You do realise we're saying crap to annoy Alex?

 

 

 

@webslave

Edited September 26, 2018 by Skeeta

[wikiverse]

15 minutes ago, Skeeta said:

You do realise we're saying crap to annoy Alex?

Yes.  Did anyone consider having 4 shorter trains and splitting the current Blocks into 2 sections each?

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Why have a train at all?

[Whombex]

24 minutes ago, Skeeta said:

Why have a train at all?

"Superman Fast!"

 

 

*Ankles Snap*

[joz]

See the block needs to be before unload. You can't launch until the train in front has left unload

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43 minutes ago, Glubbo said:

"Superman Fast!"

 

 

*Ankles Snap*

[MickeyD]

Ain't it just hilarious when a newbie comes along and (despite being dissed for a variety of reasons) keeps coming up with all these great topics that everyone else just loves to keep talking about!😁

[ads086]

What if you duplicated the stations? You could place a rotating or sliding track section leading from each station into the subway tunnels, and the same after the trims at the end. I can’t see you ever getting 4 trains running then, but you could definitely get 3.

[pushbutton]

5 minutes ago, ads086 said:

What if you duplicated the stations? You could place a rotating or sliding track section leading from each station into the subway tunnels, and the same after the trims at the end. I can’t see you ever getting 4 trains running then, but you could definitely get 3.

Or alternatively, don't waste money on unnecessary alterations to a ride that already works well, and instead use it to build exciting new attractions!