Movie World Overflow Carpark update

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VRS Holdings Pty Ltd took City of Gold Coast to court to resolve the overflow carpark.

Earlier this week the appeal was resolved in favour of the development of the proposed carpark by Movie World on their Kopps Road property.

The Court Order regarding the appeal is available on line, however the changes from what was initially proposed include:-

- concessions regarding the number of bays (774 now 663);
- Sound attenuation
- pedestrian bridge access (required before use commencement).
- improved landscaping, fencing and signage conditions.
- security, lighting and hours of operation.

Ultimately after several Alternative Dispute Resolution meetings (and experts providing advice) there were insufficient grounds remaining for the City to successfully defend its refusal.

Edited March 7, 2019 by Skeeta

[aaronm]

Sound attenuation? Given it's already next to the M1, what are they being asked to do?

Also where is the pedestrian bridge going - over the creek to Kopps Rd?

Apologies if I'm completely confused about where this carpark is and these questions make no sense...

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18 minutes ago, aaronm said:

Sound attenuation? Given it's already next to the M1, what are they being asked to do?

Sound attenuation for neighboring properties.

18 minutes ago, aaronm said:

Also where is the pedestrian bridge going - over the creek to Kopps Rd?

I don't believe a bridge has been designed.  It's only a condition at this stage.

The plan I have attached isn't the amended plan with the 111 reduction in carparks.

[Thrill Seeker]

The RED is where the new carpark is proposed for.

the BLUE is the normal over flow. Why wouldn’t you develop that on first?

When you read the plan sounds like they will run a golf buggy shuttle to the “second enterance”??

[Naazon]

I wonder if the bay reduction means larger bays the the total area is reduced.
How many bays does the main carpark have at the moment?
 

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security, lighting and hours of operation.

Does this mean they want the new carpark gated with CCTV and 24 hour security lighting or lights turned off after use?

Hours of operation surely would be until like 10pm or something?

 

 

[themagician]

@Thrill Seeker I’m not sure if this is still the case, but MWs carpark is/was owned by the council (Someone on here will know), so it is likely that the grassed area isn’t allowed to be developed for that reason, and as it is/was used for some events (Christmas Carols).

But I do agree that surely they should install the carpark on the blue area, rather than using land nearby. What they should also do is make their current carpark more pedestrian friendly, as there isn’t really any designated path to get the entrance, meaning most people just walk in the lanes. All it would take is removing the end carparks of each row and addings a pedestrian crossing instead. And maybe even finish the gravel area and make that a lined carpark too

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4 minutes ago, themagician said:

@Thrill Seeker I’m not sure if this is still the case, but MWs carpark is/was owned by the council (Someone on here will know), so it is likely that the grassed area isn’t allowed to be developed for that reason, and as it is/was used for some events (Christmas Carols).

But I do agree that surely they should install the carpark on the blue area, rather than using land nearby. What they should also do is make their current carpark more pedestrian friendly, as there isn’t really any designated path to get the entrance, meaning most people just walk in the lanes. All it would take is removing the end carparks of each row and addings a pedestrian crossing instead. And maybe even finish the gravel area and make that a lined carpark too

[aaronm]

Wasn't the blue area where the hotel was going to go, or is that in a different carpark?

[Brad2912]

The blue area most certainly isn’t owned by the council. 

VTP did have a hotel earmarked for the land, whether that’s still in the pipeline is anyone’s guess. 

[Rabbit2014]

4 minutes ago, Brad2912 said:

The blue area most certainly isn’t owned by the council. 

VTP did have a hotel earmarked for the land, whether that’s still in the pipeline is anyone’s guess. 

I fought the hotel was planned to go between top golf and outback Spectacular originally 

[Gazza]

1 hour ago, Thrill Seeker said:

The RED is where the new carpark is proposed for.

the BLUE is the normal over flow. Why wouldn’t you develop that on first?

Because that land already is used for parking in peak periods, so sealing it will only get a tad extra capacity (due to people parking in a more organised manner with marked bays)

What they need is more actual land for parking, hence the Kopps Rd car park.

[rappa]

You build a new overflow car park so that you can develop your current overflow car park

 

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I've attached a plan from the final judgment that "might" be close to the final layout. 

 

(having major issues seeing the judgment because Adobe giving me pages of boxes)

 

[Brad2912]

3 hours ago, Rabbit2014 said:

I fought the hotel was planned to go between top golf and outback Spectacular originally 

Not as far as I have ever heard. There isn’t sufficient land between TG and OS for the hotel anyway from what I can see, the water tank for filming, carparks and access road to PC are all in that area. 

[Rexillium]

3 hours ago, Gazza said:

Because that land already is used for parking in peak periods, so sealing it will only get a tad extra capacity (due to people parking in a more organised manner with marked bays)

What they need is more actual land for parking, hence the Kopps Rd car park.

Here I was thinking they were just adding more parking so they could add more rides by building ones on land reclaimed from their main parking lot.... wishful thinking or stupid thinking I dunno but more rides!.. I know I know MW is fine atm, its seaworld that needs more..

[Naazon]

Maybe thats the long term plan?

Build a new Overflow, rebuild the main carpark as a low rise parking structure on the current overflow section and then they have room closer to the park and further away from houses and highways for the possible hotel / new rides?

Still wishful thinking.

[DaptoFunlandGuy]

Unless you build the hotel behind AOS, I don't think its the best idea to hide the biggest impact frontage (big rollercoasters and ride towers) behind multideck carparks and hotels.

There's a reason Green Lantern, DC Rivals and TopGolf all have giant LED signboards with their logos out the front.

The only place i'd put the hotel is on the current grass overflow, but since the overflow is required regularly for summer, fright night and christmas night events, the new overflow potentially will allow them to build their hotel.

And maybe council might learn from their loss in court here, and will be more open to approvals for the hotel (although, given the principal lot is already zoned, it should give rise to less objections)

Edited March 7, 2019 by AlexB

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54 minutes ago, AlexB said:

And maybe council might learn from their loss in court here,

If Village lodged the same carpark approval today, council would also not approve it.  Council only follow what is written in legislation.

 

54 minutes ago, AlexB said:

 more open to approvals for the hotel (although, given the principal lot is already zoned, it should give rise to less objections)

People can't object to a hotel because the 2016 Town plan was purposefully changed to allow MW to build a hotel.

As long as the hotel has                 < 400 Bedrooms

                                                            < 27m in height

                                                            > 30m from front boundary

It would be a standard approval.

If MW wanted to do something else----- all bets off.

(as I quickly read it)

Edited March 8, 2019 by Skeeta

[Whombex]

On 07/03/2019 at 2:31 PM, Rabbit2014 said:

I foughtthought the hotel was planned to go between top golf and outback Spectacular originally 

Unlikely. Any time a movie uses the water tank or even an outdoor set (like Thor Ragnarok) you'd have spies with telephoto lenses live steaming every moment.