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  On 25/02/2020 at 12:26 AM, Skeeta said:
  On 25/02/2020 at 12:07 AM, AlexB said:

MULTIPLE previous historic incidents over more than a decade as justification that the incident was VERY predictable.

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This needs to be highlighted.  

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  On 25/02/2020 at 2:13 AM, Skeeta said:

I'm not looking beyond the incident because the inquest was about the incident.    

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Which is it, Skeet?

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Why do I need to repeat myself.   "I'm not looking beyond the incident because the inquest was about the incident".  (looking into the incident can include the lead up to it)

You're throwing in hypothesis that didn't happen and I'm stating the facts in this case.   Skeet is not a what if person.

DW had the opportunity to stop "this incident" years ago and they didn't.     If you want me to be a "what if Skeet' I would have to look at every ride in the park and that just scares the hell out of me. 

 

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  On 25/02/2020 at 1:10 AM, webslave said:

Maybe I'm still missing it here (and if so I apologize), but I'm not seeing anything in paragraphs 128-130 that indicate that they considered a drop in water level had anything to do with operating the conveyor.  They seemed totally focused on rollbacks and stranding of a raft at the bottom of the conveyor, rather than water level and stranding at the top of the conveyor.  Taking that entire section as a whole the only time they talk about water level monitoring is in reference to efficiency rather than safety.

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Its because you keep reading in point form. Go back and read the whole testimony. It shows a discussion on conveyor safety occurred and the front end of the conveyor wasnt considered for upgrade. How do you know the risk was even considered? Because the employee notes that the intended upgrades being completed now would provide monitoring or all alarms, all water levels and the pump loads. 

What the report is saying is the employee identified a possible risk, was not tasked with mitigating that risk, but still put forward a proposal to Upgrade the control system to mitigate that risk.

It goes on to state that it was his view that this could be performed to enhance safety and save the company money. 

It states that these issues were put forward to the engineering supervisor via email. 

Section 135 confirms these discussions and acknowledges Mr Ritchie raising the danger and putting forward additions to the planned works. It literally says the engineering supervisor agrees with his proposal for additional works but that it could not be completed at this stage, and to focus on the upgrades to the bottom.

Further to this, in section 139 , later discussions about this additional works were had with the company (PFI) during a site visit in August 2015. This means the discussion and the proposal put forward by Mr Ritchie occurred prior to this and tha the engineering manager deemed them important enough to raise with pfi. Even if by his own account this was informal, but by later admission, this is largely how much of their work was planned. Voiced rather than documented.

Futhermore, scroll down to section 144 and have a read how eerily similar the log ride operation was. In 2013 pfi was tasked by the same engineering manager with performing an upgrade that included water level monitoring on the log ride.

It goes on to show from records that the engineering manager identified this risk, how important water level management was, and that he personally viewed the ride operation, was made aware that boats could crash into each other and deemed an upgrade was required to stop this from happening. 

So, the same engineering manager raised the very same issues back in 2013 and proposed they be addressed by upgrades to control systems to monitor water levels, and even proposed that a block system needed to be in place to stop boats coming off and crashing into each other. He tasked pfi with planning and quoting this upgrade which was performed.

The whole cost of implementing all these systems was $16000. 

Why were these same issues not investigated with the river rapids ride? The engineering manager states that even though significant upgrades were performed to the log ride, no risk assessment was ever completed either. Not before or afterwards.

WTF?! It speaks to management performing works and making changes without proper planning or analysis. 

So yes. The report finds the water level is of primary importance and that an automated control system should be in place to halt the ride and operation of the conveyor in the event it occurs. They are not talking about indicator lights being installed if water level monitoring was installed because they already found warning lights signifying the pump stoppage on the control panel were an inadequate control system. Further to this point, talk of a safety interlock being installed for the conveyor is exactly what you are querying. An interlock shuts off power to a device and it cannot be restarted or reset until the issue is rectified. It means it has the ability to stop it being restarted in the event of a failure which would address a situation like the 2014 incident where the operator was dismissed from occurring. 

We can argue sensors vs conveyor and how it would be implemented all we want but the report says it best really. 

They knew the rafts can hit. They knew the rafts could be lifted and even flipped. They knew the water level was critical for the ride to function. They knew people were not capable of managing the risk on the ride and had fired an employee to the fact. They knew all this from in house incidences and experiences and did little to mitigate or exclude the risk of injury or death and are entirely to blame for the tragedy. 

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  On 25/02/2020 at 2:50 AM, red dragin said:

A dozen things could have been changed, any one of which could have stopped this incident. But none of those were implemented. 

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Exactly, that's what I'm getting at here.  Some would have even been more effective than others.  What's clearly apparent is;

- The initial design of the ride had significant flaws.
- The documentation of that construction was likely deficient or never existed.
- The system for identifying safety hazards with the ride had significant flaws.
- The process of maintaining the ride was flawed and/or incorrectly carried out.
- The inspection regime for the ride had significant flaws.
- The regulatory oversight of the ride was manifestly inadequate.
- The training of ride operators was poorly documented, and generally poorly undertaken.
- The overall condition of the ride plant was poor.
- Modifications had been made to the ride that are unlikely to have been made, documented or assessed in a competent manner.
- The method of operating the ride was an anachronism.
- The process for evaluating safety incidents was very poor.
 

  On 25/02/2020 at 2:57 AM, Skeeta said:

You're throwing in hypothesis that didn't happen and I'm stating the facts in this case. Skeet is not a what if person.

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  On 25/02/2020 at 2:57 AM, Skeeta said:

Do you think if the pump didn't stop and the water level didn't drop the raft would have still flipped in this case?

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C'mon buddy, you're a smart dude.  We're both playing what-if here because it's the only thing we can do.  You clearly asked me what-if the pump didn't stop and the water level didn't drop as if it's some sort of validation that all of this rests on a water level sensor (the original contention I'm arguing against).  What I've shown you is that the same what-if is valid far beyond that one factor.  I'm not saying you're wrong about a water level sensor preventing this, I'm simply saying that it's not the only thing.

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  On 25/02/2020 at 3:02 AM, Levithian said:

How do you know the risk was even considered? Because the employee notes that the intended upgrades being completed now would provide monitoring or all alarms, all water levels and the pump loads. 

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I agree that it's one possible reading of it, but could we agree that it's not the only plausible reading of it?  As I said, you can infer a connection between the two but there's nothing in that section that actually puts the two items together.  If your reading of it is correct then certainly it would be a clear statement that the park knew of a safety problem related to the water level concerning the conveyor and didn't rectify it.  I do note however that since the document doesn't say that it's likely that he can't back up that assertion.  It's not in the risk assessment, and paragraph 128 specifically notes that the risk they were working on didn't concern the risk of collision at the top of the conveyor.  If your reading that a water level sensor was to be installed for some sort of safety purpose (ie; to mitigate a risk), then what risk were they trying to mitigate?

  On 25/02/2020 at 3:02 AM, Levithian said:

Section 135 confirms these discussions and acknowledges Mr Ritchie raising the danger and putting forward additions to the planned works. It literally says the engineering supervisor agrees with his proposal for additional works but that it could not be completed at this stage, and to focus on the upgrades to the bottom.

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This section specifically states that he didn't feel the additional work concerned safety, which would actually support my reading of this rather than yours.  It does not say that Mr Ritchie raised any danger with regard to the water level.

 

  On 25/02/2020 at 3:02 AM, Levithian said:

Futhermore, scroll down to section 144 and have a read how eerily similar the log ride operation was. In 2013 pfi was tasked by the same engineering manager with performing an upgrade that included water level monitoring on the log ride.

It goes on to show from records that the engineering manager identified this risk, how important water level management was, and that he personally viewed the ride operation, was made aware that boats could crash into each other and deemed an upgrade was required to stop this from happening. 

So, the same engineering manager raised the very same issues back in 2013 and proposed they be addressed by upgrades to control systems to monitor water levels, and even proposed that a block system needed to be in place to stop boats coming off the conveyor and crashing into each other. He tasked pfi with planning and quoting this upgrade which was performed.

The whole cost of implementing all these systems was $16000. 

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I think that you may need to consider the very important differences here.  He had identified that the speed of the logs as they traversed the drop could reach 70km/h and in the event that the water level at the bottom of that had fallen presented a hazard where one log could collide with another at a high rate of speed.  This is quite distinct from TRRR where the concern was not collision at a high rate of speed.  The concern at TRRR should have been capsize, entanglement and drowning, but again there's no evidence that I can see here that made the connection for them between low water level and the conveyor.  This is in contrast to the Log Ride where the connection had clearly been made.  I know your line of thinking here is "if he thought this up on the log ride, why not on TRRR?" but it's not borne out in the report, and on logical grounds seems implausible given the quite different risks.

  On 25/02/2020 at 3:02 AM, Levithian said:

WTF?! It speaks to management performing works and making changes without proper planning or analysis. 

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Abso-bloody-lutely! That's why I don't think you can just infer that they somehow had made the link between low water level and the conveyor.  If there was any evidence they had made this link the report wouldn't just hint at it - it would have said so.

  On 25/02/2020 at 3:02 AM, Levithian said:

They knew the water level was critical for the ride to function.

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They knew all this from in house incidences and experiences and did little to mitigate or exclude the risk of injury or death and are entirely to blame for the tragedy. 

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The water level was indeed critical for the ride to function - without water they couldn't cycle the ride.  Is it proven, however, that it was unsafe to operate the conveyor with anything other than a full water level?  Is that even true for that matter?  After all, provided you don't have a raft bottomed out at the top you can still operate the conveyor.  Furthermore, one of these in-house incidences and experiences you refer to actually occurred with a full water level.  Not only would that incident not have told you that the water level is safety-critical, it's actually likely to have lead you further away from that notion.

The truth is that they knew or should have known that it was unsafe to operate the conveyor unless they were confident that there was nothing obstructing the transition at the top of the conveyor into the trough.  What they knew or should have known is that one of the potential causes (not the only cause) for an obstruction is low water level causing a raft to bottom out in that location.

Personally, it kills me that a relatively simple system such as a beam at the top of the conveyor (prior to transition) couldn't have been used to stop the conveyor any time a raft made it to the top with a deadman's run button provided to the unload operator to jog the conveyor.  It's a winner for me because you can help protect against this incident, other incidents that have been like it previously, and also against incidents where you might have a person fall into the trough at unload and be at risk of being hit by a raft that enters the trough.

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  On 25/02/2020 at 3:05 AM, webslave said:

C'mon buddy, you're a smart dude.  We're both playing what-if here because it's the only thing we can do.  

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Not the same.   I asked you in relation to the accident.  You're what if had nothing to do with the day and I think we are fighting 2 different fights here.

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  On 25/02/2020 at 3:36 AM, diesal11 said:

So at what point did the main operator actually hit the primary E-Stop? The documents timeline doesn't specify and also seems to imply it wasn't pressed until after the rafts collided?

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477. Testing of the E-Stops at the TRRR by investigators following the tragic incident, in the presence of Dreamworld staff, confirmed that none of the E-stop’s had been activated at any time during the course of the incident.892 CCTV footage of the incident also confirms this finding.

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  On 25/02/2020 at 3:43 AM, Skeeta said:

Not the same.   I asked you in relation to the accident.  You're what if had nothing to do with the day and I think we are fighting 2 different fights here.

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I think you'll find mine were phrased pretty similarly, except there were more of mine.  Again, I'm not saying that you're wrong here - I'm just saying there's far more to it.

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  On 25/02/2020 at 3:05 AM, webslave said:

 What I've shown you is that the same what-if is valid far beyond that one factor.  I'm not saying you're wrong about a water level sensor preventing this, I'm simply saying that it's not the only thing.

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Im thinking were the disagreements are coming from is maybe because the mechanical side of the findings ia really two part. If you view it like this, it kinda clears things up a bit.

As far as safety goes, the water level is the primary factor. You cannot dispute this and its why there is even talk of a level system control. Mitigate the water level problem and the entire safety risk is removed. This is agreed upon by investigators, both engineers and the police. 

Secondary, and the other major factor is the conveyor continued to run in this state. These are the main contributing factors that pose a continual risk at all times across years and were not mitigated, ever. This means there has always been these underlying risks in its operation that should have been addressed over its 30 years. 

In addition to these, the state of the conveyor, in regards to slats, etc and the gap between the rails in the trough and the front of the conveyor were highlighted, along with the inadequate e-stop placement/system as major contributing factors to this incident occurring. That is it is specific in this incident only and deemed that addressing either the state of the conveyor or the gap between the rails and the conveyor would have likely meant this incident would not have occurred. Again, this specific to this incident. 

Its why the report noted earlier comments by bob tan about rafts flipping over completely. The underlying issues with the ride since its commissioning were still there. 

Its why the report makes mention of even if these specific contributing issue were addressed or the factors had not occurred, there was still an underlying unacceptable risk that needed addressing which could cause further incidences different to this one which killed people. 

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  On 25/02/2020 at 3:47 AM, webslave said:

477. Testing of the E-Stops at the TRRR by investigators following the tragic incident, in the presence of Dreamworld staff, confirmed that none of the E-stop’s had been activated at any time during the course of the incident.892 CCTV footage of the incident also confirms this finding.

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So how did the conveyer even stop then? The ride op claimed to have pressed the button 2 or 3 times, did he press the wrong one?

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1019. It is evident from the CCTV footage that at the time of the incident, Mr. Nemeth remained at the Main Control Panel. Having noticed that the water level had dropped significantly, Mr. Nemeth advised the guests he had loaded that they would need to disembark. It is not clear when he initiated the shutdown sequence of the ride, particularly whether this was before or after the rafts collided and/or he had contacted the control room. There is no way to ascertain with any certainly as to whether he did and if so precisely when Mr. Nemeth may have pressed the conveyor stop button. He claims he pressed it multiple times but nothing happened. Testing following the incident by investigators found no issue with the operation of that particular control button. From the CCTV footage, the conveyor can be seen to commence a slow stop approximately 11 seconds after the rafts have collided. It seems in all likelihood, given the events that followed, that Mr. Nemeth may not have pressed the conveyor stop button until the rafts had collided or moments beforehand.

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How awful for him, ridiculous that this wasn't foreseen given that the Main panels conveyer stop button takes 8 seconds, which is controlled by a primary ride op who has their attention constantly switching between loading guests and controlling the entire ride.

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  On 25/02/2020 at 3:38 AM, webslave said:

I agree that it's one possible reading of it, but could we agree that it's not the only plausible reading of it?  As I said, you can infer a connection between the two but there's nothing in that section that actually puts the two items together.  If your reading of it is correct then certainly it would be a clear statement that the park knew of a safety problem related to the water level concerning the conveyor and didn't rectify it.  I do note however that since the document doesn't say that it's likely that he can't back up that assertion.  It's not in the risk assessment, and paragraph 128 specifically notes that the risk they were working on didn't concern the risk of collision at the top of the conveyor.  If your reading that a water level sensor was to be installed for some sort of safety purpose (ie; to mitigate a risk), then what risk were they trying to mitigate?

This section specifically states that he didn't feel the additional work concerned safety, which would actually support my reading of this rather than yours.  It does not say that Mr Ritchie raised any danger with regard to the water level.

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No it doesnt. It says that Mr Ritchie agree that the current proposed upgrades required addressing now, thats all.

He goes further to state that additional changes were intended to be completed after these immediate upgrades, but acknowledges this was only in discussion. 

He felt strongly enough about the additional upgrades to include them in his proposal and actually says the upgrades would improve safety, so how can you say he felt otherwise?

The inquest finds that such measures should have been implemented and that if any risk analysis had been performed they would have been highlighted.

Mr Ritchies proposal should have been enough to trigger investigation. The engineering supervisor agreed the additions were warranted, and thats basically as far it went. 

The issue of ride operation and low water level danger needs no addressing because everyone, right down to dreamworld, their policies and the ride operations manual ALL agree it is. You cannot say it is or isnt implied, when it has been outlined how important it is. It causes a ride safety stoppage and the conveyor is manually halted and immediate assistance is required. This is why the employee was fired in 2014 because it explicitly states that the conveyor cannot be restarted during low water levels like what follows a pump failure, and that operators are not permitted to restart pumps without seeking approval. 

He did both of this and was fired. 

So, knowing all this, if a skilled, engineering employee creates a proposal seeking to address monitoring of water levels and implementing an automatic control measure; do you think this is done because it is a critical risk already highlighted and understood, or do you think there is still some conjecture as to if he felt the water level was a safety risk at all and just proposed the additions for seemingly monetary value?

Even if you want to argue he had no idea, someone above did or should have. And if they didnt, the person above them should have. The proposal shouldnt have been ignored, it should have been followed up and investigated. The engineering manager even agrees this should have happened and this is simply just another example of the opportunity dreamworld had to address a critical flaw in the rides operation which was mismanaged.

Which is what the report finds.

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  On 25/02/2020 at 3:52 AM, Levithian said:

As far as safety goes, the water level is the primary factor. You cannot dispute this and its why there is even talk of a level system control. Mitigate the water level problem and the entire safety risk is removed. This is agreed upon by investigators, both engineers and the police. 

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I know the report has that in there, and strictly speaking you're right that it would have prevented this incident, but it doesn't (as you put it) make it such that the entire safety risk is removed.  We know from the 2001 incident that water level was not a factor, and accordingly I don't see how anyone could make the case that the water level fixes the safety issue.  Assume for a moment that in the year 2000 a water level interlock was installed; would the 2001 incident have occurred?  Evidence suggests it would have.

If you look at the reference to Tan's email of 13 November 2014 (see paragraph 268) you'll note he describes the problem as allowing rafts to bank up at unload (which makes sense because he's talking about the 2001 incident which didn't involve the water level).  What's interesting though is paragraph 269:

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Mr. Deaves subsequently asked whether the risks highlighted (presumably from the Texas incident) were ongoing from seat belts being undone on rides. In response, Mr. Tan relevantly stated that, ‘No, 2 senior long service operators/instructors breeching procedures: Rapid Ride – Shut off a pump/restarted again. Also stopped conveyor, all against procedure...

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I think the Coroner might have gotten this wrong.  I don't believe Mr Deaves is talking about the Texas incident at all, or at least if he was I don't believe Tan's reply was actually about that.  I believe Tan's reply was actually about the Buss incident, which had occurred only a week prior and indeed included the factors he highlighted.  What's interesting here is he specifically notes that he stopped and restarted a pump which was against procedure (ie; he's casting that as a negative action) and that stopping the conveyor was something against procedure (ie; he's casting that as a negative action) which presumably was because of the risk of capsize to the raft at the bottom of the conveyor.  For reference, he's the low air procedure:

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3.4.5 Loss of Air Pressure (Low air alarm)

(i) Stop dispatching
(ii) Contact a Supervisor via control stating ‘Rapid Ride – Code 6’
(iii) Press Emergency Gate Button
(iv) Remove dispatch isolator key NOTE: The dispatch isolator key must be retained by the operator at all times when the operator is away from the operator’s panel
(v) Tie the front raft to the deck railing at the end of the dispatch control panel area
(vi) Insert dispatch isolator key
(vii) Retrieve all rafts in circuit
(viii) Unload guests (only if safe to do so)
(ix) Switch off one pump by pressing red pump stop button (north or south)
(x) Advise guests of an operational delay as per section 3.8.5
(xi) Await further instructions from a Supervisor
(xii) Record downtime

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Meanwhile, here's the procedure in case you lose a pump:

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3.4.3 Shut Down Operation

(i) Press Emergency Gate Button
(ii) Press Conveyor stop
(iii) Press Emergency stop
(iv) Remove dispatch isolator key
(v) Contact control on 325 stating ‘Rapid Ride – Code 6’ and advise why shutdown was initiated e.g. loss of power to conveyor
(vi) Direct Load operator to attend the bottom of the conveyor
(vii) If a deckhand is present direct them to attend the queue line and advise guests of delay as per 3.8.5
(viii) Count how many rafts are retrieved (from conveyor to dispatch control panel area)
(ix) Await further instructions from a Supervisor
(x) Advise guests of an operational delay as per section 3.8.5
(xi) Record downtime

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As an aside what's missing from that procedure is the south pump:

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79. The amp display, red and green lights, were the only visible aspect on the panel, which showed that the pump was functioning. Each pump functioned independently of the other, and could be started and stopped separately. An emergency stop at the panel also deactivated the North pump only no emergency stop for the South pump, or one that stopped both pumps simultaneously.

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So, looking at Tan's comments about procedure it's fair to say that Buss stopping a pump was incorrect for the low air scenario.  But, at that point when he stopped the conveyor Buss was following procedure... eventually (since he's now doing Shut Down Operation).  Restarting the pump was also incorrect.  This is a bit of a problem though, because I can see how they will have been more than willing to allow themselves to look solely at the employee not following procedure as the issue rather than examining the rest of it.  I didn't find anything in this section that indicated that they saw the risk of running the conveyor when you had a raft trapped at the transition point.  Moreover I certainly don't see anything there that would suggest he knew of the risk of operating the conveyor with low water level.

The item going in-favour of them knowing of this risk is that in the case of the Shut Down Operation procedure pressing Conveyor Stop sits at item #2 (after the emergency gate preventing accidental dispatch), but as to whether conveyor stop is that high on the list because they know of the risk with low water level versus simply because they want to prevent a bankup at unload (which we actually know they are aware of) is debateable.

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  On 25/02/2020 at 4:11 AM, Levithian said:

He felt strongly enough about the additional upgrades to include them in his proposal and actually says the upgrades would improve safety, so how can you say he felt otherwise?

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For a few reasons (my bolding):

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It does not appear that discussions as to the risks associated with rafts slipping or colliding at the top of the conveyor near the unload platform were ever conducted.

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Mr. Ritchie was not aware of any previously identified hazards or concerns at the top of the conveyor, nor had he been tasked to review the safety mechanisms in that area.

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It was also proposed that the scope of work be expanded to include an upgrade of the Main Control Panel, as it had been ‘adapted and added to over many years and are in a poor state’. 

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He did not consider, however, that the state of the control panel adversely affected the safety or operation of the ride.

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This upgrade was intended to include the following:

- The addition of a 7-inch Proface Touch Screen which would monitor all alarms, monitor the water level and monitor the pump loads; and
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Mr. Ritchie was of the view that this increase to the scope of work would allow for the necessary infrastructure to make the ride capable of future automation projects, which may be considered, and would also improve the state of the wiring at the Main Control Panel, which would enable faster electrical fault finding in the future.

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In relation to the monitoring of the water level at the TRRR, Mr. Ritchie was of the view that water level sensors could be installed, which would monitor the operating efficiency of the pumps. He was aware that the pumps for the TRRR accounted for approximately 30% of Dreamworld’s overall electricity bill, and such monitors may allow for the performance of the pumps to be adjusted to increase or decrease the operating capacity, thereby leading to a significant cost saving.

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Subsequent discussions were had whereby Mr. Deaves advised that whilst he supported the additional work proposed, it could not proceed at this stage, with the focus to remain on the upgrades to the bottom of the conveyor. Mr. Ritchie understood that the potential hazard identified at the bottom of the conveyor needed to be rectified as a priority. He did not consider that a delay to the second stage of the project would have a negative impact on guests’ or Operator’s safety.

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Where is he saying that the main control panel upgrades are to improve safety?

  On 25/02/2020 at 4:11 AM, Levithian said:

skilled, engineering employee creates a proposal seeking to address monitoring of water levels and implementing an automatic control measure; do you think this is done because it is a critical risk already highlighted and understood, or do you think there is still some conjecture as to if he felt the water level was a safety risk at all and just proposed the additions for seemingly monetary value?

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I think the parts I've provided immediately above should answer this for you.  Just in case you're unaware, Mr Ritchie was a supervisor in E&T (Electrical) and was a qualified electrician.  Is he the guy who you'd think would be concerned with water levels and risk of such?  And even if he was, based on the report what confidence do you think I should have in the competence of these people?  He's the same guy who felt that just resetting power to the pump drive to fix it was good enough and didn't cause any risk should it cause further faults!  On the basis of a statement from him that a pump fault does not constitute a risk how do you justify your belief that he would have concerned himself with monitoring water level?

  On 25/02/2020 at 4:11 AM, Levithian said:

Even if you want to argue he had no idea, someone above did or should have. And if they didnt, the person above them should have. The proposal shouldnt have been ignored, it should have been followed up and investigated. The engineering manager even agrees this should have happened and this is simply just another example of the opportunity dreamworld had to address a critical flaw in the rides operation which was mismanaged.

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I think the part you're missing here is that this was a proposal to clean up wiring at a main control panel that was a rats nest from an electrician.  I've seen no evidence it was ever presented as a safety-critical item, and haven't seen you quote any yet.  Do you know of any?

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  On 25/02/2020 at 4:11 AM, Levithian said:

if he felt the water level was a safety risk at all and just proposed the additions for seemingly monetary value?

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Just on this monetary argument - I feel like a person working at the park, knowing that very little gets done unless it makes money, wouldn't you be inclined to push the cost saving factor as a way to get it approved?

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  On 25/02/2020 at 5:07 AM, AlexB said:

Just on this monetary argument - I feel like a person working at the park, knowing that very little gets done unless it makes money, wouldn't you be inclined to push the cost saving factor as a way to get it approved?

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You might if you wanted to do it.  If it was for safety though, don't you think you might mention it at all?

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What struck me with this ride, with as complicated as it was to run why did DW only run it with 2 ops. We obviously know cost cutting. But it should have always at least had 3. One on the control panel watching CCTV and keeping an eye on the conveyor, one on load and one on unload. In the same way West has three people working in the stationary and four in peak periods, with the fourth person working as a grouper. And let's not forget West has someone in the turntable room. 

I always think if the ride had also had three people working along with more modern automated systems running would have gone a long way to prevent this. 

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  On 25/02/2020 at 5:30 AM, Original said:

I always think if the ride had also had three people working along with more modern automated systems running would have gone a long way to prevent this. 

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More modern automated systems would have made the number of people working on it all but irrelevant.  Adding more people without better systems is unlikely to have prevented this, though.  

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Someone's sole job to watch the ride, especially the conveyor since a lot of emphasis was put on doing this, could have helped, they could have seen the raft stuck and started a shutdown of the conveyor until it could be moved. Not like how it was previously run, do your job of loading or unloading, plus watch over the main control panel or conveyor at the same time. 

Might as well tell MW they can cut back on their staff on West because its control system was completely upgraded recently. Really, no matter how modern and automated it might be, IMO someone should always have the sole job of watching the main control panel and CCTV of the ride. That would be my guess why MW has one person always stationed on the main controls of every major ride at their park and at SW too, especially if the ride is in constant operation like TRR was. I'd actually love to hear from previous VRTP employees who might have an idea exactly why their parks don't have their operators doing two high priority tasks at the same time.  

It would also follow the practice of most major parks I have seen. But then again its clear DW didn't like following the practices of every other major theme park operator in the world. 

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That's now just about 2/3 of the Queensland Coroner's Findings Of Inquest so far. Hope it is convenient for you all. I'll post the last third over the coming days. In the meantime, you can read the full report via @webslave's post.

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One of the things reading the report is jist how set up to fail the ops were. Their workload was pretty well maxed out when things were working properly, add to that a situation where there are multiple ways to respond so you have to diagnose the ride and keep it safe as well as do everything else. It wouldn't be so bad but DW knew that the ride ops were their control measure for a number of things.

 

The chat in here is about being cheap, while I've no doubt they were, to me the whole thing seems more like pure incompetence. The engineering let the ride ops down something fierce, and it's actually really disgusting that at the start of the inquest the park's lawyers tried to blame them.

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