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From the Australian Financial Review:

So does that mean that house in @Theme Park Girl's photo is definitely Hollywood Cottage?

Whilst it is a sudden change in scheduling, I'm going to assume something unexpected arose relating to maintenance. Looking back when Bermuda Triangle closed, Sea World made it very clear from the start that new attraction development for it's site was underway (but it did actually take them a while to actually start demolishing the ride). Sea Viper said the same thing as Viking's Revenge currently but they were actually trying to fix the ride before deciding it was time for permanent closure 7 months later - that decision though was made public immediately. Viking's Revenge also intertwines with 2 other rides - Storm Coaster & Spongebob 3D. If Viking's Revenge is to be demolished, at least these 2 rides would also need to be closed (at least temporarily) as: Viking's Revenge moves around Storm Coaster's support structures. That is very narrow land for machinery to move through to demolish it's flume and might be considered a risk if Storm Coaster was operating at the same time. Spongebob 3D is located inside the castle which Viking's Revenge is located on top of & also travels through its 'towers' - can you imagine the effort required to remove the flume off the castle? It would be very logistical even if they kept the castle. I am just going to hope that it isn't going to end up like Eureka Mountain Mine Ride in an 'extended' maintenance period

I usually write long messages if I feel my message won't be interpreted correctly when written short. The one above is an example of one (and I'm still not sure if it's understandable). Also, since @loki75 posted about the plans they seen, all but the last of my messages was short too. I definitely don't think I'm more knowledgeable on rollercoasters etc. than most forum members or everyone combined. I've learnt a lot from reading forum posts on Parkz in fact. And I never said they were wrong - I think nearly all of what they said is correct. It matches some of the footings already visible on site after all. It was just the lift hill I wasn't sure if it was interpreted correctly. If they said it was just a guess based on the plans they saw, I wouldn't mind - at least I knew so I understood how they came to that conclusion. So I gather in the plans, the footings are along the banks of the swamp indicating Version 1 like you said? See, I'm just not sure if you mistook the lift hill footings for the brake run footings. Given where you said the station is located, the brake run footings would probably be very close to some of the lift hill footings. The brake run track would be pretty much above the brake run footings while the lift hill track would be above as well as far away from the lift hill footings. If it was Version 2, the 'far away' lift hill footings would run along the road near the brake run footings and that would mean, you could have mistaken the brake run track as the lift hill track due to seeing footings near the banks of the swamp. Understand what I'm thinking? And was the station in the right spot? Batwing Spaceshot is equal to the minimum height of a hypercoaster so if MW's new hypercoaster is the same height, the height wouldn't be an issue for residents.

Firstly, when you said this (below) I wasn't sure if you were hinting to me that I should look at the footing locations in current & future photos posted on Parkz or whether you had seen them on the plans yourself: Either way, I mainly asked because you said 'birds eye view' so some footings could be located directly underneath the track & thus potentially not exactly visible on the plans. Launches usually have footings underneath the track - same with brake runs. I look at DA plans quite often and applicants usually submit numerous plans for different elements of a project so my initial thought was that footing locations would be on a separate plan especially given some footings might be located directly underneath the track (builders would have a difficult time with plans that have some footing locations hidden by track) & that footing placement was the only part of the project that was of immediate importance in May. If the project was extremely secret, would they give the track layout plan to construction companies 6 months prior to track being installed? (They might need to - I really don't know) They recently advertised the tenders for track installation so it makes sense having track layout plans that were recently issued. Due to the reasons above, I simply couldn't imagine a plan that showed both the track layout & footing locations and that's why I asked if the footing locations were on the track layout plan you saw. That's also why I originally asked how do you know for sure it is a lift hill. I was just wondering if it was a guess based on the plans you've seen, whether you got multiple plans and you just joined the pieces together or whether there was a symbol/marking on the track layout plan that indicated 'chain/cable lift' or '(block) brakes' etc. Otherwise, you would need really detailed plans to know which footings match with what track parts particularly around the narrow area of the old security gate/checkpoint bridge - 2 separate pieces of track could be in that area & somehow you can tell which footings are for a lift hill (if any) & which aren't? Plans would also show where supports go - something you didn't exactly mention. A plan that shows footing locations, the track but not the supports doesn't convince me you know for sure where the lift hill is. If you had a plan(s) that shows all 3 - footings, supports & track, then it would be accurate and easy to tell where the lift hill is & I'd be more convinced. Out of all the possible answers I'd thought you'd response to my 'how you know it's a lift hill' question - guess, multiple plans, symbols/markings & sorry, confidential - you said footing/track positions near the station & I wasn't expecting that answer as everyone knows that a lift hill is on 1 of 2 sides of a station and that footings alone could mean anything particularly with something near a station (lift hill or brake run? - they are both in a straight line) and near a narrow location like the old security gate/checkpoint bridge. Mainly, I'm just not convinced yet that you interpreted the lift hill location correctly. Sorry I wrote a lot - couldn't explain my thoughts well enough but just to get a better idea of why I'm not convinced, I've made these 'artist impressions': If I replace 'lift hill' with 'track', I get: "track appears to run along the road from Justice League to GL then makes 90 degree turn right..." "and then under the track following it part of the way before breaking left to circle back into the station" On an aerial image, I imagine it like this (approximately): The pink section being the part that runs "under the track" & the red track going along the car park entrance road being 2 separate tracks (one heading north west & the other south east). From that layout, to involve a lift hill, I can imagine 2 versions: Version 1: Lift Hill on MW side & brake run on swamp side. Version 2: Brake run on MW side & lift hill on swamp side: Note: Supports are not meant to be accurate nor the track colours or type of drop. Version 2 isn't at a good angle to show the lift hill - it was just the best angle for me to figure out the minimum height for the hypercoaster based on the height of nearby landmarks. I based the lift hill on the lift hill of Lewa Adventure's Flash, which I believe is on a 45 degree angle so the height of the coaster pretty much matches the lift hill's ground catheti (Google Earth's scale might not be accurate - might want to check that ground catheti for accuracy on NearMaps @AlexB). @loki75, is the station in the right spot? Based on your description, I assumed that was the spot (though I'm not sure if the 'angle in relation to the road' is correct).

Things just got a bit more complex for DW (new information 4th paragraph onwards):

Are the footing locations on the plans @loki75?

Doesn't necessarily mean it's a lift hill - it could be the brake run. So the plans show where the footings are? It seems mainly like a guess on your part anyway, am I right?

Referring to these sentences: I read on DW's website recently that the Hollywood House is still in tact in DW. It is in Gold Rush Country (according to DW's website) but I don't know which building in that area it is? Do you know (or anyone else) know which building it is?

Just 1 question - how are you sure that it is the (if any) lift hill when the plans are from a birds eye point of view with no indication of elevation?

Investigators are using drones in their investigation. An unauthorised drone would easily be spotted. I'd assume it is before. Re-enactments may take a few days depending on the complexity of the investigation and any re-enactment would see the ride operational. They wouldn't want images of an re-enactment being broadcast or published in the media. It may be distressing to a lot of people.

Don't expect any aerial footage of the investigation's re-enactment (quote from Sky News):

@Ryande16, like @YLFATEEKS tried to point out, a hypercoaster was finally confirmed today in my post. Apart from Parkz, the Gold Coast Bulletin also had a proper source for once - "Helensvale-based company Alder Construction has advertised for subcontractor and supplier pricing for the new Movie World project, beginning yesterday". Whilst they didn't mention that the advertisement mentions the words 'hypercoaster', after a little research, an advertisement was found & it actually confirmed the hypercoaster. I know that there can be ambiguity in advertisements but I do feel DW would be slightly annoyed if MW promoted 'fastest rollercoaster in Australia' when it actually wasn't (unless it turns out to go faster than 161km/h). I do think everyone realises 'biggest sale ever' refers to the biggest sale a store has ever had not the biggest sale in the world. Don't be surprised - MW is probably well aware and might have found it humorous that it took 3 months for us to get solid confirmation. I did more research after I found the tender - Tenders for hypercoaster site preparation/footing placement were openly being advertised back in late July yet no one on here found them. I also found out that the site preparation/footing placement for the new hypercoaster costs maximum $2 million - that might give an idea of the total cost of the hypercoaster. The site preparation/footing placement tenders, as you can see, were also promoted 1 month prior to actual work happening (late August). These new tenders for track pre-assembly/installation works could indicate it will happen in 1 month - which would roughly meet my guess of the track parts arriving in early December.

I said "future expansion announcements" not "future expansions". I know they wouldn't postpone future expansions.

I've barely posted that though?

Well I do doubt The Australian are actually that interested in theme park expansions.

Thanks to @Brad2912 for posting that news article as the Gold Coast Bulletin revealed enough information for this to occur:

Yeah, I know - Given advertisements have to be accurate, I was just pointing out MW would have to take into account TOT II and include 'full-circuit' if promoting any rollercoaster records involving heights lower than 119m in height & speeds slower than 161km/h. When the real answer (for full-circuit) is actually Buzzsaw (Yeah, I know it is pretty much just a loop but it is full-circuit). If that is the case, work would be halted as work has begun due to receiving DA approval, which would involving assessing and approving plans. This is what they said recently. If the 'November 20 at the latest' announcement date I predicted comes & goes (which is very likely given the Thunder River Rapids incident), I would have to leave a predicted announcement date as 'near future' or at least early March 2017, which was the SE-linked date in my timetable for the 1st teaser (construction fence advertising).

Well once see it, they will realise it but until then, they would assume it goes the full height and hence until then, they may think it is 'taller' than the 2017 MW rollercoaster (assuming MW's future rollercoaster is under 119 metres high, which is likely).

The Australian publishing some interesting speculation. From this article of theirs: And this article of theirs (I believe this is what they had planned for the site next to the Vintage Cars): As we can see, future proposals are already under scrutiny even if they don't involve rides so it's very likely now that any future expansion announcements for all the Gold Coast theme parks are going to be postponed (unless of course, they are leaked to the media).

ABC's good old Media Watch, not surprisingly, did a story on the media coverage of the Thunder River Rapids incident. They mainly focused on the media coverage of Ardent Leisure's response as well as briefly on the media sensationalism. You can watch the approximately 6 minute segment or read the transcript by clicking here.

I know that but does the general public realise that? Probably not - they think of it as a shuttle rollercoaster that launches towards & up an 119m tower.

I understand that Thunder River Rapids is not part of the main safety audit but really, it will go through a safety audit as part of the investigation (hence why I called it a safety audit to simplify things). I'm thinking more along the lines that even if all the rides of DW are found to be safe in their safety audit, they would still have to wait to see if the Thunder River Rapids investigation found one of the causes of the incident to be due to park mismanagement (such as poor policies, relaxed maintenance/ride operation culture etc.). If they could rule that out, then the park can open all other safe rides again to the general public.

True but the general public are more likely to recognise TOT II as the ride that goes up an 119 metre high tower.

Just saw this article on the ABC: Even though after reading the article I understand the CSIRO's main aim of the project, I still wonder if it has any application in horror-themed events in the theme park industry such as Fright Nights? I'm thinking along the lines of a photo booth that turns your face into a zombie face (unless these already exist?). Seems like one theme park has already been used as a test image for the project. Maybe Luna Park Melbourne would benefit from using this image in their marketing for horror-themed park events?