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When did they announce that? Was there a press release/(social) media statement for it? It's for VRTP, like you said, without a doubt though - I've checked the plans out. I think it's either to: Provide more parking spaces for the expansions or, Rearrange the current car parks to fit expansions in. The hotel will definitely have it's own car park (probably basement/undercover parking so guests get 'exclusive' parking) as the car park plans state: So that car park is only for the purpose of MW (as all expansions apart from the rollercoaster have night time operations). I'll gather it is a new MW overflow car park. At least this all explains why Gold Coast Bulletin reported that the hotel would be built on a MW car park.

Don't forget Paradise Country And don't forget Sea World Nara Resort. In addition to a pass that allows access to everything on the Entertainment Road property, it could include 1 night's stay at Nara Resort (combined with SW entry) followed by 3/4 nights at Entertainment Road so you can stay & enjoy everything. Assuming VRTP is the only thing you do on a GC holiday, think of it like this in itinerary format: Day 1 afternoon: Arrival at GC, check in at Nara Resort Day 2 morning/afternoon: Check out of Nara Resort & visit Sea World Day 2 evening: Travel to Entertainment Road (whether private/public transport or via a VRTP special bus) & check into Entertainment Road hotel Day 3/4/5 - Do everything at Entertainment Road Day 6: Check out of Entertainment Road hotel & leave GC.

I don't think it is the overflow car park as it is 5 acres short of the stated site it is supposed to be on (15 acres). If it is to be there, they would need to remove some of the existing main car park first. Also it is reported that the hotel would be placed on a MW car park. I also don't think it will dominantly be placed on MW's main car park as it would block MW's iconic entrance as well as be an eyesore. I haven't heard anything about that new car park (tell me more?) but I don't think that land is owned by VRTP? Regarding TopGolf construction timing, I stand corrected. They must have delayed it as I was basing it off the June press release that said: The ASX announcement is definitely more accurate and up to date. I've been reading them and I don't know how I missed that. The 'Go Carts' thing is very confusing. Being between existing shows means it has a maximum duration of 2 hours and 3 things come to mind: An opportunity for visitors to race go karts around the arena. A mini-stunt show involving go karts. A mini-stunt show or audience participation involving the golf cart(s) used in the old Police Academy Stunt Show. I know it does - the TopGolf press release said it is located on a 15 acre site. Our speculated location + the rollercoaster construction site = 15 acres. And the 2 TopGolf sites I looked at on Google Maps are just less than 15 acres in size. The only way that I can think TopGolf can overlap the rollercoaster site is if the TopGolf building is built just south of the rollercoaster with the entrance path involving walking under the rollercoaster and the golf balls being hit in the direction of the AOS car park. The only concern is if the high netting affects the outdoor filming tank. The TopGolf construction timeline you posted is now making me doubt whether the speculated location is correct though. Guess we'll have to wait & see. I don't know anything about this permanent fence either?

I'm very confident they didn't. I read the Illawarra Mercury very often (and sometimes I'm more up to date than them) & the only place I remember seeing those plans was from you on Parkz. The Illawarra Mercury did have articles written about them though at the time. The Taipan was also the last stage of their original 5 stage plan (which begun with Surf Hill in 2001) so The Taipan was a DA on it's own that was approved in 2007. Shortly after, Kangaroo Island was submitted to Council & took until 2011 to get approved - the 1st stage (being Funnel Web & Banjo's Billabong) opening in 2012. A Kangaroo Island DA modification was made in 2015 to accommodate The Perfect Storm. I agree with this though.

I speculated construction on TopGolf would begin in September so I have a feeling the rollercoaster construction site is being shared with TopGolf's construction site (particularly given groundwork coincidentally begun at roughly the same time). Once certain things are done on the rollercoaster construction, I think they will start preparing TopGolf around it and also move/extend the construction fencing when required/TopGolf becomes the focus of construction. Also, I thought I'd post this image that I posted in a different topic of TopGolf Alexandria overlayed onto the speculated site (according to scale) here too. It roughly matches all current measurements we know of the site:

I did remember that but decided to go with the overall building size in case we misinterpreted this sentence: Either way, when you look at the image I posted, most of TopGolf Alexandria's building takes up that site anyway so we are both roughly correct anyway:

The exact words were "one of the world’s best theme park drawcards". If it's anything like SE, I guessed the first official teasers would appear around early March 2017 but then again, SE was in a world relatively without social media. The biggest question is how big their social media marketing campaign will be and when will that start? And how viral will they try to make it? A huge viral marketing campaign would without a doubt send Parkz into extreme overdrive and capture the attention of not just only Australian rollercoaster enthusiasts but probably the world's particularly with a "world's best" rollercoaster heading to our shores.

Just found an old SE construction topic so I thought I'd make my guess construction timetable more accurate. Again, this is all assuming a Boxing Day 2017 opening & I have also removed percentages as the timetables are more complex now: Mid November 2015 - Rollercoaster development application approved by Council/New 'world class' MW attraction confirmed to shareholders Early July 2016 to early March 2017 - Site preparation/footing placement Mid August 2016 - Original (but now delayed) announcement date Early September 2016 - Mack Rides confirmed as manufacturer due to their crates seen on site Mid November 2016 - Currently most likely time period for the rollercoaster announcement Early December 2016 to Early February 2017 - Track parts arrival Early March to late July 2017 - Track installation Early March 2017 - Construction fencing marketing added Mid May 2017 - Outdoor media marketing campaign begins Early June 2017 - Trains arrive/Media call Late July 2017 to 26 December 2017 - Theming/landscaping Early/Mid September 2017 - Train 'pull-throughs' Early October 2017 - Main marketing campaign begins/Testing begins Early/Mid December 2017 - MW website update Mid December 2017 - Preview rides/Media launch 26 December 2017 - Opening For information purposes, here is an updated version of how SE was constructed. I've edited the initial SE announcement milestone as I now feel that was more of a highly verifiable leak to the media at the time rather than an official announcement: Mid July 2004 - New MW ride rumour begun Late November/Early/Mid December 2004 - 'Superman themed' rollercoaster rumour gains momentum 30 January 2005 to late March 2005 (approx.) - Movie Magic Special Effects Show Closure/Demolition Early April 2005 (approx.) to late July 2005 - Site preparation/footings placed Mid June 2005 to Mid July 2005 - Track parts arrival Early August 2005 - Construction fencing marketing added: 1st official confirmation of SE Early August 2005 to early October 2005 - Track installation Early September 2005 - Outdoor media marketing campaign begins Mid September 2005 - Trains arrived/VRTP Expansions media call Early October 2005 to 26 December 2005 - Theming/Landscaping Early November 2005 - Train 'pull-throughs' Mid November 2005 - Main marketing campaign begins/Testing begins 15 to 22 December 2005 - MW website update 22 December 2005 - Media launch 22 to 26 December 2005 - Exclusive preview rides 26 December 2005 - Opening Note: Most exterior theming was only visible/made public for SE in between mid December 2005 & opening day so for the new rollercoaster, expect that to be visible/made public between early December 2017 & opening day. Note: Unlike in the SE timetable, ride/attraction closure/demolition isn't included in the 2017 rollercoaster timetable as no rides/attractions were closed to make way for this new rollercoaster

That's great news! Better than waiting a whole year. I'm really hoping it has white strobe lights in the large Tornado at a minimum but the fact that theming is still being determined gives me the thought that it will be pretty good quality theming. Regarding "Christmas holidays", I think they meant 1st December - as they are open every day in December & closing The Perfect Storm to visitors during most of a peak period of summer wouldn't look good with such a limited season length, high visitor expectations and large crowds. I know late September/early October are a major period for Jamberoo but new rides should be opened when they are completed. Loads of recent visitors might be annoyed to find an 'improved' version of The Perfect Storm opening in December. This is a completely different scenario to not having the Funnel Web spider sculpture ready for Funnel Web's opening as special effects/theming & enclosing of Tornadoes directly adds to the overall ride experience (particularly with a ride that looks very similar to Funnel Web).

More photos - If nothing has happened, why post more? It's like tuning into a TV drama 'series' only to find it's an old episode put on repeat. More information - We have to rely on VRTP for that and currently, it is a waiting period of just over a month before any kind of new information. Keeping the discussion going? - Simply speculate about what you think is going to happen. Just don't post or ask for updates that consist of information we already know or photos of things that haven't changed. Like I said before, it is probable that until early March next year at the latest, we will only see footings being placed - not track parts, not theming, not landscaping - just footings. Apart from trying to guess where the track is going to go, footings placement is boring. When track installation begins (like I said, probably March at the latest), daily photos will be a guarantee as that happens pretty quickly - it will be over before you know it as it is the most exciting time of the construction period (apart from any announcements). Footings placement, however, photos are only needed occasionally when heaps of new footings are placed over a period of time. We don't need a photo dedicated to every single new footing - they nearly all look the same. You all should consider yourselves extremely lucky how frequent the updates are on Parkz now. Back in 2005, when SE was being constructed, we had to wait months before another SE construction update and like they should, they only occurred when things changed. Just take a look at the dates of SE's construction photos in SE's photo gallery and you'll see how long we had to wait back then as forum photo updates weren't common at all back then. That's why I posted my guess construction timetable for you all - so you will know approximately when something significant will happen. I think everyone here would agree that this talk of more updates/photos is getting extremely tiring & we still got just over 14 months maximum to go of construction. If there is some simple advice for you, it is be patient - photos will be posted when something new happens - and if you want to 'keep the discussion going', then speculate - just don't ask for new photos/information constantly (after a 2 week+ gap may be fine) or post news/photos that reveal nothing new.

True regarding the hotel theming (given DC Comics seems pretty permanent at MW, maybe DC Comics has the highest chance then of any possible hotel theming?) Regarding TopGolf, ok. There was one thing that I didn't check regarding TopGolf and that was comparing it's stated size to the actual site on Google Maps: I measured 15 acres and it is huge - it is pretty much the whole site I drew on for my guess except for the lake, MW, the western side of the lake & the link to AOS. The dirt car park across the road from AOS is too small for the entire TopGolf site & the field next to that dirt car park (where I put it in my guess) is too small for it either. TopGolf's main building (65,000 square foot = less than 2 acres) would have to take up both the 2 previously mentioned sites at least (if it is to be located at the southern end). And without a doubt, it would need to have one end of the entire TopGolf venue in the rollercoaster construction site. The size of the 1st TopGolf in the USA (Alexandria) is 8 acres for comparison (this includes additional parts of the site but excludes their car park, mini golf area & an adjunct but separately owned restaurant). I've overlayed the 8 acre Alexandria TopGolf site (according to scale) onto the Entertainment Road site for comparison:

I have always had an interest in the Gold Coast's theme parks but as I'm rarely there, I find little point in discussing redevelopments on Parkz unless something extremely major (like MW's new rollercoaster) is being built/announced. And don't worry, I'm trying to keep up - I check as many sources that I can find/remember prior to making a post. Once everything is announced, I'm definitely back on track. If there is a source you can link me to regarding TopGolf's location, that would be great. I had considered all that but natural lighting didn't occur to me - good point. If it ends up being MW's actual car park (which seems to me now the most likeliest place), I'd have to say it would be at the back half of the overflow grass car park. It would make that car park dual-use (overflow/hotel) as well as permanent rather than grass. The hotel car park without a doubt would also include a basement carpark. One reason why I thought it would be near the outdoor tank was because why have a hotel in front of 1 of the theme parks when there is another (& other attractions) next door? Easy access to 1 but difficult access to the others (unless they built or operated some sort of transportation link between them all). If no transportation link, wouldn't a centralised approach seem more appropriate? Random thought - It would be cool if MW themed the hotel to like Scooby Island from Scooby-Doo or something else movie-themed. I looked at some photos on TopGolf's website before publishing my post with my guess & I think they vary in size from large to small. I've also found that satellite images distort the sizes of lots - a ground point of view shows the true size so it may look small on a satellite image but go there in person & it looks large. The hotel hasn't been formally announced yet (I speculated either a January/March 2017 announcement). TopGolf was announced only in June & construction was due to start on that around September (coincidentally the rollercoaster's footing placement begun the same time too). We all expected a rollercoaster announcement around mid-August but it didn't eventuate (clearly due to a delay of some kind) so mid-November now looks like the time period with the most chance of having an announcement for the rollercoaster. So in all cases, announcements were planned prior to construction beginning (but the rollercoaster one had a delay). Also When I said "(pure guess except the part going over the TopGolf building)", I meant "(purely random except the part going over the TopGolf building, which is a definite guess)". I forgot to change that when making that post.

Those plans I don't think went to Council @AlexB as The Taipan was in a separate development application to Kangaroo Island. Oh ok - Yeah, as Banjo's Billabong is part of Kangaroo Island, it's development application did cause delays due to the colours but I think it was more to do with the large tube slides on the hillside (like Funnel Web). Banjo's Billabong will eventually be hidden by tall trees etc. due to it being on a flat terrain so colours aren't much of a concern as natural trees will keep the landscape looking, well, natural.

Well I did read reports that the hotel would be built on 'a MW car park' and I believe we all presume the 'lakeside' precinct refers to the swamp next door. Whilst I don't think the hotel would be built on MW's main car park or the grass overflow car park, I thought the dirt car park across the road from AOS would be a likely location for the hotel. This is how I currently imagined this huge development (colour code below) Brown - Footpaths (with bush trees planted on approach to AOS) Light Red - New entrance of AOS and small AOS box office/retail outlet on road's opposite side - this allows a 'link' to the lakeside/entertainment precinct & hotel, which I coloured as below... Dark Purple - Multi-storey hotel with basement parking & ground floor indoor entertainment/retail mall (black lines indicate main mall) Grey - Roads (with white zebra crossings)/TopGolf staff car park/hotel reception driveway (with green garden in front)/hotel basement carpark entrance (with white directional arrow) Light Purple - Retail shopfronts on hotel's ground floor exterior Dark Blue - Lake Light Yellow - Outdoor seating near lake Dark Green - TopGolf building Light Green - Top Golf driving ranges with surrounding netting (in grey) Bright Yellow - Rollercoaster track (pure guess except the part going over the TopGolf building) Black - Rollercoaster station building Dark Red - MW extension to new rollercoaster, Possible MW extension to new gate connected to lakeside precinct & to rollercoaster observation deck on lake's edge Bright Orange - If new gate, possible new MW retail outlets/guest services Light Orange - Possible extension of lakeside footpaths to connect to MW Dark Grey Blue - Possible extension of retail outlets in lakeside precinct Light Blue - Possible extra retail outlets if extension built Pink - Stage/amphitheatre (also adjoining light blue section). If extension to MW built, footpath instead I think the show will be designed with a pure and dedicated focus on the interests of foreign tourists this time (instead of also catering to city tourists/locals). I'll guess the show will be designed to last 3 years at a minimum - late 2016 to 2019.

@Luke, Jamberoo's master plan, Kangaroo Island, was designed about a decade ago (but only begun construction 3 years ago) and was mainly built around improving capacity so I don't think the sudden decision to swap the Behemoth Bowl with a Tornado was due to a sudden lack of capacity. Jamberoo has at least another 5 rides/attractions it plans to install and all but one of them would easily have met any sudden capacity deficiencies. The boss of Jamberoo once said that each stage of Kangaroo Island would only occur if increases in attendances occurred. But your theory gave me the thought of another theory - that it was built to compete massively against Wet'n'Wild Sydney. Since Wet'n'Wild Sydney opened in late 2013, there has been a slowly building trend of popularity heading back to Jamberoo (you have to remember one of Jamberoo's main target markets is Western Sydney where Wet 'n' Wild Sydney is located) due to many reasons - Jamberoo has free parking, shade, the scenery/good park design, decent theming, the fact you're allowed to bring in food while Wet 'n' Wild Sydney has paid parking, little to no theming, poor park design/landscaping, the fact you can't bring in food and originally didn't have shade. I am not sure but there is a chance that ride/attraction queues and Sydney's traffic may be 2 other factors to the ones I listed above. If you compare both parks' 'major' additions for the 2016/2017 season, you can see a distinct difference - a $5 million world-1st ride at Jamberoo while Wet 'n' Wild Sydney has Dinosaur Lagoon, which is essentially just dinosaur statues added around Boomerang Bay, their lazy river. The 'world-1st' tag is good publicity globally (even if it is just 2 old & very similar ride types joined together). Even if it is another Tornado at Jamberoo, it comes down to this - what would attract your attention more? A world-1st ride or dinosaur statues? Jamberoo has no slide towers but the colours of the Kangaroo Island expansions did cause a lengthy delay in Council approval of 5 years (2006-2011). The Perfect Storm, however, was a modification made in 2015 to those expansions and that only took just over a month to get Council approval - highly likely due to the fact, the colours chosen were in the originally approved plans so no need to worry over them. Like you said, the theme of The Perfect Storm is an additional reason why they chose those colours for that ride too.

True @AlexB hence I why I think we all should "wait & see". Though, like I said, more footings would give us more confirmation on the rollercoaster's track layout. Interesting to see that comparison to SE too. It makes more sense with the scale on the NearMap satellite image. I agree - that's why on the satellite image I drew on, I only put 3 banked corners - the rest could literally be anything.

Seems like the current AOS show is ending very shortly with AOS social media staff saying "Please stay tuned to this page for all announcements. We have something exciting coming to Australian Outback Spectacular very soon". Whilst it currently is unlikely, with all the development only metres away with the hotel, lakeside/entertainment precinct & MW's new rollercoaster, does anyone think it is linked somehow or is it just a coincidence? There obviously will be a new show but what are the chances of redevelopment of the AOS show building so it is linked to the hotel & lakeside/entertainment precinct? It would also allow it to have a refurbishment before the 2018 Commonwealth Games. All speculation at this stage but with a possible major MW announcement in the next month, the timing is a bit coincidental.

I think a helix turns more than 180 degrees whilst moving either up or down & whilst there might be some helices in the rollercoaster, so far I can't see any - only banked corners. I was thinking that as a possibility but thought there would have to be more footings nearby before that could be confirmed. All the current footings seem too far away. We'll just have to wait & see. The rest of what you said I agree with - I thought too that the one closest to the road could be some sort of sign if it ends up being clearly separate from the rollercoaster footings.

Understood you but am not sure exactly what you were trying to point out in the photos but anyway, to answer your question, yes - it was on the plans: In case you're thinking it, regardless if the final large Tornado of The Perfect Storm was enclosed or not on the ride's opening day, it would still be safe for operation - as long as Jamberoo didn't rush too much on other aspects of it's construction to the point that visitor safety was a lower priority to revenue...but I'm sure that would never be the case.

I pointed out in the 'Arkham Asylum - VR coaster at Movie World' topic that VR Coaster did in fact do the VR for AA. You all may recall that I posted this in mid-September: The only way to figure out if Movie World is associated with this is if someone can figure out how many rollercoasters Mack Rides are manufacturing. If 2 are currently scheduled for completion in the timeframe given above & Movie World's one of those, Movie World's rollercoaster could be one of those designed specifically for virtual reality. Given VR Coaster did AA, does this make it more likely that MW might have been talking with them to do 2 projects - AA plus the new rollercoaster - a potential 'pure VR' coaster - with Mack Rides? Also, regarding the construction site, I thought it looked like a seahorse : But seriously, this is what I can make of the construction site on NearMaps: Mainly, all I can gather from the construction site is the possibility of at least 3 banked corners, which I coloured in yellow - I think everyone figured that part out already though lol It seemed pretty obvious after all. Any fencing/boundaries are in black while any other noticeable lines are in different colours. I think the light blue line is a pipe while the purple lines are definitely of pegs/strings etc. If more NearMaps images are released with more footings in sight, I might be able to figure out more of a rollercoaster track layout with greater confidence. I am curious what are the two things I circled in blue are though? The one closest to MW's car park road looks like it is for a footing but it is heaps far away from all the other footings & has trees on either side of it?

VR Coaster definitely did do the VR on AA as they added AA to the listing in their showreel:

Even though it is an extremely well themed & coloured area, judging from the NearMap images, the DC Comics Super-Villians Unleashed area does look like it lacks colour from an aerial point of view. Doomsday Destroyer though is clearly well coloured from an aerial point of view but, like I've said, doesn't have much colour on the park map so I think they need to add more green to it on the park map. @AlexB, does NearMaps show the Lego Store construction site at Dreamworld?

It is great to see that the 2nd small Tornado was enclosed for The Perfect Storm's opening - that leaves only the large Tornado to still be enclosed. You all should see the comments on the Illawarra Mercury's Facebook post of their article on The Perfect Storm. There are a lot of people saying "just looks like Funnel Web" etc - which is the exact reaction we were all expecting as a 1st impression. The Illawarra Mercury tried to point out the differences - that it has '3 giant funnels' (which is a clear difference but all 3 aren't 'giant') & that it is longer (again, true but irrelevant as a difference - it is only 10 metres longer). I think they could but it would depend on whether a park could finance/install such a large ride. Funnel Web's paintwork is not 'run down' - it is a lighter colour scheme. The Perfect Storm has a darker colour scheme. I've noticed a few people have been getting confused between the two. Currently, with the framework of The Perfect Storm's large Tornado unthemed, the frameworks of the large Tornadoes do make them look very similar. There are a few obvious differences though (when construction is complete): The Perfect Storm has 2 smaller Tornadoes while Funnel Web has a few extra corners/helices. The Perfect Storm has enclosed Tornadoes while Funnel Web does not. The Perfect Storm has special effects while Funnel Web does not. The Perfect Storm's framework of its large Tornado will have debris theming placed on it whilst Funnel Web has a world-record breaking Funnel Web spider sculpture next to its' large Tornado. When the framework of The Perfect Storm's large Tornado is themed, the 2 rides should look more distinct - one themed as a Tornado carrying debris while the other themed as a Funnel Web spider hanging onto it's web (The framework of Funnel Web's large Tornado acts as a web). Like I've pointed out before to a few forum members, according to Jamberoo...:

I was comparing it to the 1st Tornado in the same shot and from that angle, they both look very similar - too close for me to call. They had similar-looking parts and so I didn't want to confirm it in case it was an optical illusion from the angle they were filming from.

If anyone is interested, there is a post on Sea World's Facebook page that describes the Storm Coaster breakdown evacuation/attempted re-start.