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Australia's population probably would have slowed down that scale of capital expenditure had they continued as return on investment would have been very difficult. There is still a likely chance the Thunder River Rapids incident would have happened regardless of who owned DW.

Owners of DW also changed after GD was installed - that's another reason why those high thrill attractions of the scale of TOT II/GD don't get installed currently..

Regarding the Dreamworks Experience, they've only ever said 'attractions' - never rides but it's fair to assume the general public would think that includes rides. Other than the shops which are definitely opening, if the Madagascar Live! Prepare To Party show is held, Madagascar Water Fun is definitely operating & the roaming characters hang only around their respective areas of the Experience, it's fair enough to call it an operating 'attraction'.

Basing it on the speed of a traditional Sydney ferry, a ferry trip to Metricon Stadium one-way would take 3-9 minutes whilst to Surfers Paradise one-way would take 36 minutes extra (so 39-45 minutes from Australian Legends World to Surfers Paradise). As the park is targeted to Chinese tourists, would a ferry to Australian Legends World be feasible if only 529 people visit it per day (plus also given Metricon Stadium isn't used on a daily basis for events)?: Also, looking at Songcheng's offical website (contains some more details about the project), some interesting quotes: That last quote, I can only assume is the 'Phantom Of The Gold' immersive experience mentioned in the Gold Coast Bulletin article earlier. It sounds interesting written the way it is.

I think it's because they're finishing internal safety checks.

In case you all didn't see it (though I'm sure you all did): Judging from that @T-bone, I think Dreamworld Express will continue to operate once it is signed off as safe. If it was not to return, I'm sure they would have announced it by now. The name doesn't officially change until the ASX has amended the company's registration. As of now, it is still Ardent Leisure.

@AlexB, I did read that prior to posting. When I first read about the golf buggy concept weeks ago, I thought that it would be highly unlikely to work for guests but it could work for just transporting staff or maybe roaming characters to direct the guests to the entrance. After all, the quote does say 'guests' only and mentions 'service', which to me would refer to MW giving guests opportunities to utilise a golf buggy to travel to the entrance. That's why I asked - in case there was another quote that I did miss that ruled out golf buggy usage for staff only too. A golf buggy might also help guests who can't travel back to their car (maybe due to an injury sustained or aggravated in park etc.) or to help guests with disability (though I'd assume MW already have sufficient disability parking spaces in the main car park).

There's a chance this is unlikely (as I'd assume they would do it while they've been closed) but HWSW is closed for maintenance up to & including 11th December. So maybe a 12th December or later re-opening? The only reason I think that is still likely is because DW updated their maintenance page but left HWSW on there (unless the update was done automatically). I doubt DW would re-open with 1 ride still under maintenance particularly with the intense media focus they will receive when it re-opens.

Remember, the survey is more about the visitor's perspective - not the management's perspective. The general public won't judge a ride based on it's capacity (unless the queue was so long that they didn't ride it or the wait significantly affected their on-ride experience). Yes, they weren't replacements for AquaLoop/Constrictor - bit of miswording on my part. To clarify, the low participation in the upcharge attractions was the main reason of the decline in Graph 1. If you're referring to capacity again, yes, it isn't much of a loss as the Giant Wave Pool still exists but like I said, the graph is based on a visitor's perspective. Dive-In Movies was only 1 of 3 rides/attractions that got a 10/10 rating but not everyone who participated in the survey experienced it (probably due to visiting on non-Dive-In Movies days) so whilst it doesn't operate all the time, for those survey participants who were there when it did, it made a huge part of their park experience & might have made up for other rides that they found disappointing. Therefore, it's closure might have been a huge loss for them but for those who didn't experience it, it probably wouldn't have been much of a loss as it wasn't 'part of the park' on the day they visited.

I don't think it will get many. Golf, itself, is a fairly quiet game - it's only the visitors, their transportation & any venue audio that would cause noise. TopGolf probably would position any speakers to face inside the building rather than outside & build the venue to contain any noise to the confines of the building. Given TopGolf's distance of over 800 metres from the residential areas on the western side of the M1 (from the M1 point of view, TopGolf would be in the centre of the VRTP property rather than the sides like the theme parks), it might be unnoticeable to those residents. The residents on the eastern side of the M1, whilst closer (about 300 metres), would have the M1 acting as a noise barrier or generating enough noise already to block out the sounds of TopGolf. Did they rule it out or were they just pointing out that it isn't for the use of most guests?

I know we had a sudden influx of polls a few weeks ago but when I start topics (which isn't that often), I always try & include a poll where possible. It's a feature of the forums so why not use it when starting new topics? It might be a while before I start another topic so don't worry about it.

Ah, yes! I forgot about that - that seems more likely. I hope that is the case - but is the old Lethal Weapon cinema still inside the show building? If it is, I wonder if they would incorporate it into the theming or remove it & add a whole new themed queue or pre-show room?

From the Mosman Daily: Photographs: 'The famous welcome to Luna Park sign was being reinstalled last week' (Photograph: Annika Enderborg) 'Only the stanchions were left after the sign was removed in 2004' 'The notice advising of the sign’s ‘urgent repairs’' 'The original sign in all its glory' Photograph descriptions from the Mosman Daily.

Did anyone notice this? VR-related perhaps given it's under maintenance (even if it's just a 'software upgrade')? If it is, maybe they found a solution to the efficiency problems? Though, for some reason, I feel it is unlikely - though I do hope it is a solution to the decreased efficiency.

Here's the graph: The blue line is the park's rating over time whilst the green line is the 'expectation' of someone who went to the park on it's opening day in 1984. The purple line is the 'expectation' of everyone who answered Question 3 (rate rides/attractions) whilst the red line includes people who answered Question 1 (year of 1st visit) - some of these people didn't answer Question 3. Those 2 lines begin at the average year of the participants' 1st visit to the park. No one who answered Question 1 visited the park prior to the early 1990's. My theory states that if the blue line goes below, above or along any of the coloured lines, the park is under, above or at expectations respectively to that audience. Also, the closer the blue line is to those other coloured lines, the more loyal that audience is to the theme park. Most people said the park was 'at expectations' in the survey but the graph clearly shows the park is apparently 'under expectations' to the survey participants. I believe this discrepancy is due to the upcharge attractions. A lot of iconic attractions were closed between 2009 & 2012 such as the Terror Canyons, Twister/Speedcoaster & Dive-In Movies. Whilst replacements were built such as Constrictor & AquaLoop, most replacements were upcharge attractions (ZipLines, SkyCoaster & FlowRider). Nearly none of the people who answered Question 3 rode the upcharge attractions (or if they did ride them, rated them 0/10). Thus, I believe, the combination of the lost of iconic attractions + the low participation in upcharge attractions saw the park drop to 'under expectations'. This is what the graph would look like if no upcharge attractions were built: This matches people's opinion that Wet 'n' Wild Gold Coast is approximately 'at expectations'. This survey was only a trial of my theory being applied to theme parks & it would've been more accurate with more responses but I'm happy with the amount of responses I got. Happy to hear what people think of the results (and maybe some suggestions to improve the theory's application to theme parks). This, so far, was just based on people's opinions of the park's rides & attractions - not shops, amenities, theming, atmosphere etc. The park's biggest boost was in 1992-1994 when Dive-In Movies was introduced (1992), Rampage Toboggan Ride got upgraded to Double Screamer (1993) & Whitewater Mountain was created (1994) with Terror Canyon & River Rapids (the latter being an refurbished White Water Flumes). (If any of these didn't open in their respective time periods, please let me know) Based on the upcharge attraction-included results, I think Wet 'n' Wild Gold Coast would need to either make upcharge attractions free or build very high quality rides/attractions that boosts it's rating back to 'expectations'. A starting point could be holding Dive-In Movies again. This is, of course, if you all think upcharge attractions should be included in the theory. If not, the park is fine as it is (but we all want the park to be 'above expectations' ). If more people rode the upcharge attractions, it probably would boost the park's rating too back to 'at expectations'.

I have this theory related to people's expectations and thought I'd test it out on theme parks. Due to their nature, it's more complicated to apply to theme parks than TV shows etc. but I've made this 3 question survey that should make it easier. I decided to try it out on Wet 'n' Wild Gold Coast first as it's the easiest theme park to try it on. When there is enough survey results, I'll post a graph. It'd be great if you all can fill it out.

@AlexB, I don't know the set-up of Buzzsaw's station but in addition to the interlocking door, to allow an escape route in the event of fire, can they just build an alarmed emergency exit door in the ride operator's booth that leads to the outside of the station building only & thus avoids ride operators going anywhere near the track during the ride's operation during a fire altogether?

They didn't build LEGO versions of everything at Luna Park Sydney - only the Face, Ferris Wheel, Wild Mouse & Crystal Palace. That's like, for Dreamworld, building LEGO versions of City Hall, Tower Of Terror II/Giant Drop, Hot Wheels SideWinder & Temple Of Huey (to represent Whitewater World). Just enough icons to look like a full park replica.

The media is taking 2 angles to this - one angle (so far from News Corporation publications) is by sensationalising the Buzzsaw prohibition notices to make DW sound dangerous to guests whilst the other angle (so far from media outlets like 9 News, Fairfax Media & Yahoo7) is that DW got the 'all clear' because guest safety was perfect (despite non-guest safety issues being found). Also, some media outlets are reporting 11 notices while some are reporting 10. Don't know where the discrepancy came from (unless it's just me?) given DW issued an official statement so if someone finds the official statement, can they clarify the number of notices? Wouldn't the better question be how many 'prohibition notices' is too many? But to answer your question - I just did some quick research & read that QHSQ does theme park safety audits annually: ...so the current safety audit is highly likely to be an extraordinary safety audit. In 2013: Judging from that, I'd say more than 2 'improvement notices' & more than 1 'prohibition notice' is too many for 1 place. If DW's safety audit was conducted in 2013, their notices would have made up 16% of 'prohibition notices' and 20% of 'improvement notices' - so in my opinion, that's a lot of notices DW got issued in this latest safety audit even if it didn't affect guest safety. The figures in that last quote included shows, fairs & fetes so who knows what the figures are for just theme parks alone - it would be good to compare the amount of notices theme parks got in the past so we can be absolutely sure whether the amount of notices DW got in this safety audit is unusual or not. Also, the inspectors in this safety audit would probably be doing their job with highly than usual attention due to the reason for the safety audits as well as any pressure from the media, politicians & the general public so this amount of notices may be due to that too. Also, I found the Office Of Industrial Relations 'Right To Information' disclosure log so here are the media outlets requesting information currently: I'd assume the undecided ones might be for detailed findings of the Thunder River Rapids investigation but I'm curious if Seven Network's request is just a typo or not - it says 'rides' while the other requests just say 'ride'. Also, The Courier-Mail reports:

To give you all an idea of the potential, here is an official LEGO model of Luna Park Sydney that was on exhibition between November 2015 & July 2016: \

Aren't they rather modern signs though?

@joz: As Ardent Leisure published their attendance figures, I'll use that as an example so assuming DW's Chinese attendance is the same as VRTP: DW's 2016 attendance - 2,413,937 = average daily attendance - 6613 people & 8% of that is 529 Chinese guests per day. *DW meaning Dreamworld, Whitewater World & SkyPoint. So you're probably right when you say: But as VRTP & Ardent Leisure's annual reports say, Chinese visitation is growing but how long does this growth have to continue for so a Gold Coast theme park targeted solely to Chinese tourists gets a sustainable average attendance of 6600 Chinese guests per day? (Assuming the park is like DW in size & scope)

I'm starting to be bit more concerned now that the ride's age is beginning to show - it seems too odd to open after maintenance to only shut down again after 1 day. If ride signage is indeed being removed, it indicates to me that they've either decided to do a major refurbishment of the ride now (as it's too risky to continue operation in it's current state) or they are preparing the ride for a soon-to-be announced permanent closure.

Calender isn't retracted - only 1 dot point just needed re-writing lol Either way, I did prepare for any sudden change by adding the word 'currently' so it's as current 9th October 2016 : Due to the sensitivities around the DW incident, that dot point of the timetable was extremely likely to end up being wrong & now we're in late November, it definitely can be ignored and replaced with the other one I put above: But if 'announced' dates can't change like you said, you better deliver that message to VRTP too: 152 days later...

It's targeted to Chinese tourists - not Australian residents - so I wouldn't worry about that but I understand where you're coming from. Anyway, here's a great video that would explain the logic behind setting up a new theme park brand at the Gold Coast (particularly from a large foreign company). Just apply the analogy to theme parks: