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I know we had a sudden influx of polls a few weeks ago but when I start topics (which isn't that often), I always try & include a poll where possible. It's a feature of the forums so why not use it when starting new topics? It might be a while before I start another topic so don't worry about it.

Ah, yes! I forgot about that - that seems more likely. I hope that is the case - but is the old Lethal Weapon cinema still inside the show building? If it is, I wonder if they would incorporate it into the theming or remove it & add a whole new themed queue or pre-show room?

From the Mosman Daily: Photographs: 'The famous welcome to Luna Park sign was being reinstalled last week' (Photograph: Annika Enderborg) 'Only the stanchions were left after the sign was removed in 2004' 'The notice advising of the sign’s ‘urgent repairs’' 'The original sign in all its glory' Photograph descriptions from the Mosman Daily.

Did anyone notice this? VR-related perhaps given it's under maintenance (even if it's just a 'software upgrade')? If it is, maybe they found a solution to the efficiency problems? Though, for some reason, I feel it is unlikely - though I do hope it is a solution to the decreased efficiency.

Here's the graph: The blue line is the park's rating over time whilst the green line is the 'expectation' of someone who went to the park on it's opening day in 1984. The purple line is the 'expectation' of everyone who answered Question 3 (rate rides/attractions) whilst the red line includes people who answered Question 1 (year of 1st visit) - some of these people didn't answer Question 3. Those 2 lines begin at the average year of the participants' 1st visit to the park. No one who answered Question 1 visited the park prior to the early 1990's. My theory states that if the blue line goes below, above or along any of the coloured lines, the park is under, above or at expectations respectively to that audience. Also, the closer the blue line is to those other coloured lines, the more loyal that audience is to the theme park. Most people said the park was 'at expectations' in the survey but the graph clearly shows the park is apparently 'under expectations' to the survey participants. I believe this discrepancy is due to the upcharge attractions. A lot of iconic attractions were closed between 2009 & 2012 such as the Terror Canyons, Twister/Speedcoaster & Dive-In Movies. Whilst replacements were built such as Constrictor & AquaLoop, most replacements were upcharge attractions (ZipLines, SkyCoaster & FlowRider). Nearly none of the people who answered Question 3 rode the upcharge attractions (or if they did ride them, rated them 0/10). Thus, I believe, the combination of the lost of iconic attractions + the low participation in upcharge attractions saw the park drop to 'under expectations'. This is what the graph would look like if no upcharge attractions were built: This matches people's opinion that Wet 'n' Wild Gold Coast is approximately 'at expectations'. This survey was only a trial of my theory being applied to theme parks & it would've been more accurate with more responses but I'm happy with the amount of responses I got. Happy to hear what people think of the results (and maybe some suggestions to improve the theory's application to theme parks). This, so far, was just based on people's opinions of the park's rides & attractions - not shops, amenities, theming, atmosphere etc. The park's biggest boost was in 1992-1994 when Dive-In Movies was introduced (1992), Rampage Toboggan Ride got upgraded to Double Screamer (1993) & Whitewater Mountain was created (1994) with Terror Canyon & River Rapids (the latter being an refurbished White Water Flumes). (If any of these didn't open in their respective time periods, please let me know) Based on the upcharge attraction-included results, I think Wet 'n' Wild Gold Coast would need to either make upcharge attractions free or build very high quality rides/attractions that boosts it's rating back to 'expectations'. A starting point could be holding Dive-In Movies again. This is, of course, if you all think upcharge attractions should be included in the theory. If not, the park is fine as it is (but we all want the park to be 'above expectations' ). If more people rode the upcharge attractions, it probably would boost the park's rating too back to 'at expectations'.

I have this theory related to people's expectations and thought I'd test it out on theme parks. Due to their nature, it's more complicated to apply to theme parks than TV shows etc. but I've made this 3 question survey that should make it easier. I decided to try it out on Wet 'n' Wild Gold Coast first as it's the easiest theme park to try it on. When there is enough survey results, I'll post a graph. It'd be great if you all can fill it out.

@AlexB, I don't know the set-up of Buzzsaw's station but in addition to the interlocking door, to allow an escape route in the event of fire, can they just build an alarmed emergency exit door in the ride operator's booth that leads to the outside of the station building only & thus avoids ride operators going anywhere near the track during the ride's operation during a fire altogether?

They didn't build LEGO versions of everything at Luna Park Sydney - only the Face, Ferris Wheel, Wild Mouse & Crystal Palace. That's like, for Dreamworld, building LEGO versions of City Hall, Tower Of Terror II/Giant Drop, Hot Wheels SideWinder & Temple Of Huey (to represent Whitewater World). Just enough icons to look like a full park replica.

The media is taking 2 angles to this - one angle (so far from News Corporation publications) is by sensationalising the Buzzsaw prohibition notices to make DW sound dangerous to guests whilst the other angle (so far from media outlets like 9 News, Fairfax Media & Yahoo7) is that DW got the 'all clear' because guest safety was perfect (despite non-guest safety issues being found). Also, some media outlets are reporting 11 notices while some are reporting 10. Don't know where the discrepancy came from (unless it's just me?) given DW issued an official statement so if someone finds the official statement, can they clarify the number of notices? Wouldn't the better question be how many 'prohibition notices' is too many? But to answer your question - I just did some quick research & read that QHSQ does theme park safety audits annually: ...so the current safety audit is highly likely to be an extraordinary safety audit. In 2013: Judging from that, I'd say more than 2 'improvement notices' & more than 1 'prohibition notice' is too many for 1 place. If DW's safety audit was conducted in 2013, their notices would have made up 16% of 'prohibition notices' and 20% of 'improvement notices' - so in my opinion, that's a lot of notices DW got issued in this latest safety audit even if it didn't affect guest safety. The figures in that last quote included shows, fairs & fetes so who knows what the figures are for just theme parks alone - it would be good to compare the amount of notices theme parks got in the past so we can be absolutely sure whether the amount of notices DW got in this safety audit is unusual or not. Also, the inspectors in this safety audit would probably be doing their job with highly than usual attention due to the reason for the safety audits as well as any pressure from the media, politicians & the general public so this amount of notices may be due to that too. Also, I found the Office Of Industrial Relations 'Right To Information' disclosure log so here are the media outlets requesting information currently: I'd assume the undecided ones might be for detailed findings of the Thunder River Rapids investigation but I'm curious if Seven Network's request is just a typo or not - it says 'rides' while the other requests just say 'ride'. Also, The Courier-Mail reports:

To give you all an idea of the potential, here is an official LEGO model of Luna Park Sydney that was on exhibition between November 2015 & July 2016: \

Aren't they rather modern signs though?

@joz: As Ardent Leisure published their attendance figures, I'll use that as an example so assuming DW's Chinese attendance is the same as VRTP: DW's 2016 attendance - 2,413,937 = average daily attendance - 6613 people & 8% of that is 529 Chinese guests per day. *DW meaning Dreamworld, Whitewater World & SkyPoint. So you're probably right when you say: But as VRTP & Ardent Leisure's annual reports say, Chinese visitation is growing but how long does this growth have to continue for so a Gold Coast theme park targeted solely to Chinese tourists gets a sustainable average attendance of 6600 Chinese guests per day? (Assuming the park is like DW in size & scope)

I'm starting to be bit more concerned now that the ride's age is beginning to show - it seems too odd to open after maintenance to only shut down again after 1 day. If ride signage is indeed being removed, it indicates to me that they've either decided to do a major refurbishment of the ride now (as it's too risky to continue operation in it's current state) or they are preparing the ride for a soon-to-be announced permanent closure.

Calender isn't retracted - only 1 dot point just needed re-writing lol Either way, I did prepare for any sudden change by adding the word 'currently' so it's as current 9th October 2016 : Due to the sensitivities around the DW incident, that dot point of the timetable was extremely likely to end up being wrong & now we're in late November, it definitely can be ignored and replaced with the other one I put above: But if 'announced' dates can't change like you said, you better deliver that message to VRTP too: 152 days later...

It's targeted to Chinese tourists - not Australian residents - so I wouldn't worry about that but I understand where you're coming from. Anyway, here's a great video that would explain the logic behind setting up a new theme park brand at the Gold Coast (particularly from a large foreign company). Just apply the analogy to theme parks:

Sorry @YLFATEEKS - that timetable is out of date in regards to an announcement date: If the hypercoaster opens on Boxing Day 2017, maybe this year's Boxing Day would be a good time to announce it too? It notes the '1 year to go' milestone & gives us the Christmas present all Australian theme park enthusiasts have wanted But if you want something 'official' to add to the timetable, here it is: Near future - Currently most likely time period for the hypercoaster announcement

Is this one new too? Really, is it? I really don't know.

How flood-prone is it?

I wasn't - I was only answering @YLFATEEKS's question (below). Had he never asked it, I would never have thought it. It also wasn't a prediction. Despite the number of objections to the car park proposal, I still think it is possible that the new car park will be allowed to proceed. I said it would not be for hotel guests and like I said earlier, there are other attractions going on that site & because I don't know what they are, I can't fully imagine how an extra level of undercover parking would work. But if it was just a hotel, I can imagine a design that would hide the car park from view. In case you thought it, I wasn't imagining the hotel's reception being located on the same level as such an undercover car park. It's an overflow car park - no one would use it except during peak periods. Plus, there are other attractions going in that area so the general public will be there anyway (depending on what those attractions are). Doesn't stop Wet 'n' Wild Sydney (not reserved though). This is the only thing I agree with - I should have realised that. With the information I had at the time I 'made a prediction', I don't think I've made "extremely ludicrous" predictions. Sometimes you've pointed out some are & that was because I didn't have all the information. Once I seen that information I didn't have, I acknowledged that it was unlikely what I 'predicted' would happen.

True. I was thinking that as a possibility but didn't think it was relevant at the time so didn't add it to my post. I was thinking of it as 'VIP' parking during fine off-peak days. During inclement weather (where car damage is potential like from potential hail/damaging winds) and during peak periods would the car park be free for use (except maybe if they introduced a 'reservation' system where you can 'reserve' a car park space prior to arrival - they could charge for reservation).

They could maybe re-design the hotel to add an extra level of undercover parking below the hotel which merges into the existing main MW car park. These undercover car parking spaces are not reserved for hotel guests (as they are already getting their own car park). It's hard to know if this is all possible given there is more than the hotel being built on that site but I'd imagined everything built on the site would be built on top of such an undercover car park.

This isn't Wanda but it's very similar in topic: From the Australian Financial Review:

Whilst I used Boxing Day 2017 as the opening date in my guess timetable, I didn't put it in there because I thought it was the most likely date. I only put it there because it was the general opinion of the Parkz forums of when the hypercoaster will open. Also, it gives a 'no later than' date for nearly everything in the guess timetable as it's very likely the hypercoaster will not be still under construction after Boxing Day 2017.

That ride is no different to skydiving - and there are plenty of people who like to do skydiving. As long as they get enough guests for each carriage on a regular cycle, it would be perfect operationally and also, everyone likes a short queue!

I think it is an e-stop at the top of the lift hill like 7 News Queensland's tweet shows above. And according to MW's statements, it should be operational again soon. All the guests are off the rollercoaster too. This quote shows how sensationalised the media are for such an event like an e-stop: 9 News now reporting it is a 'computer fault':