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So on Sunday before I went to Movie World for the parade I wanted to check out SW and well, what I once thought was nicest and prettiest park on the GC is gone, while the gardens and building still look nice, it just hasn't got that atmosphere anymore. Well for second day of holidays it was going to be busy and first of all we all know the train isn't working which for a busy day takes out a huge crowd soaker then the Skyway was closed and it now had four on each group, I think it then only became 3, well we now have just 2. The Flume ride wasn't open and they don't even have a proper movie anymore and the monorail had just 1 train which made it unbearable. Sea Viper first ride since re-branded, now Corkscrew I got, it didn't have a theme because it was a classic white seaside coaster, but Viper is bright tacky and its a ride with a theme, but with no theming at all. By the Way none of the ride opened on time, which doesn't help on a busy day. But first ride little boy tries to go, too small, grandfather gets very cranky and can't understand why because 12months his grandson went on it. They had to call guest services to try to explain it was a new train, not a good start, I understood why but the GP don't get why then but not now! So after the ride finally starting and being first ride on it when we hit the brakes it made a loud hissing noise... we rolled into the station and the ride was closed because it was broken down, the ride didn't stop hissing for ages. We went back after the dolphin show and the que was back out right next to the exit... no thanks and it was the slowest loading I have ever seen, the Corkscrew was loaded quicker with one person running it and I always saw the staff having to unlock harnesses and re-lock to try and send because it didn't seem to want to go the first time. Pirates the swinging Pirate ship should never have gone, at least yet, there not doing anything with the land yet, why couldn't it have stayed to help relieve bust days like yesterday. Jet Rescue was next, only one train going, and a very slow loading, I think the motocoaster could have beaten it. Still a lot of fun to ride and great ride. By the time we came back after the dolphin show it was all the way back to the bridge, yep, past the photo and lockers station and down to the bridge. Clearly this also needed 2 trains going and a faster team operating it. Bermuda Triangle... what a disappointment they have the video running at the top, but its not the same if someone collects you and bring you to the top and runs the video, its not like there saving on staff they still had someone down the bottom. The generic SW uniform on the ride looks stupid and out of place especially when you know how the staff use to look, its not the same either when you can't see fire coming out the top of the volcano. So the ride wasn't too bad, sort of, the boats sound worked, but there things like projections which were just blank like where the rock hits the screen, the UFO doesn't disappear which make it look cheap and people you had never been on it before were commenting saying that looks bad and other saying hey that use to disappear. there were also parts where show lights should have been on to show the aliens but weren't like when the aliens scan you, none of the rock doors open and shut. To top it off the didn't even have the red lights working which probably makes it look better than having something look cheap. Overall on the ride, the ride use to give of this WOW factor people would get off and go WOW the fire was just that final touch the heat the light, the smell from it and the UFO disappearing which left people think how? Its all gone now its just a normal ride. I saw people get off and go that was fun and people go that use to be way bette, what happened to the fire? and I'm betting they didn't re-ride where as people would get off and WOW that was amazing/awesome lets go do that again today!! Its really a sad loss to the park and Gold Coast. I saw the Dolphin, now that brought the magic back for me, what a great amazing show that use to give the park its added magic and WOW factor The Ray Reef I though was really good and great for kids, the Polar Bears were playing and Shark Bay amazed me again and the Fairy Penguins were a little sleepy. The construction in the waterpark is coming along it should be great when done and bring a lot more people to that back area. Also where Pig use to be the lagoon has been torn out, so I think we could be seeing something there soon. The midway games and shops, well some of the shops had bright colours on them and it reminded me of Dreamworld's faded shops. The midway games, great, I think they are a fantastic idea and were very busy, but do it right and make it look beautiful like DCA's midway games and not a badge slapped on a shed. Do it right or don't do it at all! However the toilets they have refurbished there look really well though, I'd like to see them at all there parks like MW! While doing the painful wait on the monorail I happened to see some of the Pirate show... horrible, the stadium was packed at the begging only to emptying half-way through the show, it was bad and not anywhere near as action-packed as the Ski Show... BRING THE SKI SHOW BACK... its part of the park heritage and got crowds out of the park... once again the show had that WOW factor and made people keep going back to watch it! Overall disappointing day, the park was a shell of its former self, someone at WVTP take note of what MW is doing to improve and take action, because the GP will and are noticing, before you have a park that's losing money. Everywhere I turned they had something to make money, glass bottom boat, dog tags, fish feeding on top of all the other up charge attraction they had. Also when leaving there was an ambulance next to the helicopter and someone was on stretcher being taken to it, surrounded by SW staff... But anyway I left bitter tasted and in no rush to return where once I couldn't wait to come back, SW was lost its magic and WOW factor and lost its way!!

WOW just WOW what an awesome parade but its not really a parade its more of show themed to parade to me.... MW a couple of months to me seemed like it had a long way to go... Now Scooby and rides as such looking fantastic witch smoke, yes the red laser looks pathetic but as I said before its looking a lot better lately and is getting back towards glory days and this parade and the park look great. Looney Tunes a couple of weeks ago looked great but in a short time a lot of animatronics haven't been working. They should also tear down Marvin and put something in there that works. All the buildings on mainstreet were open for the parade which was great and they were busy, when I left the rides were running but the lines had been shut. The park just had this magical vibe through the parade which in recent time has been lost the parade was the best I had ever seen it. I stopped watching the parades because they were so bad and boring where once upon a time I would ALWAYS watch they were so good. I just hope that when this show finishes we see the same quality parade continue and that they begin to do this every holidays and in Summer. I liked the begging with the Daily Planet reporter and you could tell the guy was Austin Powers during the day, it made me laugh but he was still very good. The guys in Police uniforms with JL float, were they the PA stunt uniforms?? I was sitting closer to the screen but best viewing is down in the middle of the street near the Roxy theatre. Not only that but staff with the crowd appeared to be having a great time and dancing and shouting and really getting into, which is just something extra that shows through and lifts and makes it more fun. Also last night they were filming Kids WB there with the 2 hosts in the parade. There are other DC comic shows during the day and lots of the characters out, Lex Luthor was following people up main street and before the show started there was guy with a whistle getting everyone hyped up, kind of reminded me of Mad Mike! The parks still not what it use to be, but if this parade shows anything I'm very confident for the future. Also I noticed Michael Croaker's daughter got a shout out on the main screen.

Okay so I went on Friday so it was a while ago but I'll remember what I can. First the park was once again looking great Scooby had even more fog in it than Tuesday which made it a lot of fun, once again that ride is showing really good signs of being in its glory days again, although on Friday the doors into the ride were broken, hard to explain but I think you guys know which one's I'm talking about the doors the ride first goes through and you see Scooby and the fountain didn't have any smoke in it like usual. Other than that I remember on Friday as pretty slick. Wild West was another one looking great and a lot of fun as always everything was working and something I actually have never really seen going lately was there was a lot of fog coming out of the fire where the Indian section is. On the left up thought there was no air when you the bats or gunshots or whatever that noise is and the video where the but shoot at you on your way up to the final drop wasn't working but other than great... obviously not as good as when it was before the fire but still good for what it was. Not that I can remember how it use to be before anyway... I do remember seeing the sparks though. There were lots of characters out in the park again it really looked good. Now here's what was bad about the day, it was the last day before holidays, clearly to me, because I even guessed it before I went that the park would be busy, but it was clearly under staffed. Batman was doing its morning run and then afternoon run, and in the afternoon the line was about 3/4 of the switchbacks full, the ride seriously needed to be running all day and when it was opened it wasn't running with a very large capacity three or so simulators when it really needed all 6 to handle the parks crowd. Superman, didn't even bother with, it was broken down in the morning and then started with one train for the rest of the day it was full all day with waits as stardust said... at one point when I went past it the line was actually outside of the building it really needed 2 train operation, with operators working as quickly as possible and someone out the front with emptying pockets, because I did hear a guest saying how every second person had things in their pockets and was making loading just painful. Lethal needs 2 train running on it, it was also packed. The management at the park if they are American need to do something American parks are good at and that's loading, lines on LW and SE would be quicker if the load process was. To top it off last couple of rides lined up for Lethal I was next group on front seat which I had waited for and as it went around the loop past the station it blew the lid shut, but operators weren't watching so when it came back the ride had to have a mechanic brought in, because of this the ride was closed for the day. Now I can see the reason behind it, but why couldn't they wait for the mechanic and send the last rides, I mean SE was going to bed running for the next hour, and because of this the staff on the ride got abused so heavily because they weren't watching and saw the lid shut, guests made them shut the lid to see the sound but they weren't budging, which I get why but closing straight on the guests and while they said sorry they just seem truly sorry or convincing and because of that the GP gave it them. Looney Tunes river ride only went for 3 hours in the also needed to go all day, the park was that busy and more shows for Shrek were needed to relieve the pressure on the park. Stunt Driver added and extra show which was good to see. But the shops in main street as well needed to open earlier and not close so early. Basically everything in the park looked great but it was clearly understaffed and A LOT of guests were noticing this and commenting and most were pretty unhappy about it, if the park had 2 train operation on SE and LW and faster loading operations and Batwing was horribly slow at loading on Friday ALL ride OPEN ALL DAY as well as the shops open all day then that day would have been very busy but the park would have handled it A LOT better and wait times wouldn't have been so long and guests feelings would have come off a lot better as crowd would have been spread more and people would have more to do and rides moving quicker it wouldn't have seemed so bad.

Okay so I went to Movie World and well I gotta say I had a pretty enjoyable day. At one point all the characters were in main street they had Austin, Marilyn, Batman, Scooby and the gang and Bugs and Tweety and one point, because me and Austin became really close he led me over to the bank and next minute the bank was robbed and Wonder Woman came out beat them up and ran off, I'm guessing for DC Comics birthday. Also the people the come out with the characters I don't remember if they never use to, but now they wear this whole costume where they look like a director?!?! Now this one is directed at Gazza I remember a while ago he said that the screen in SE were boring and that they should put in a train timetable on like blue line, orange line and have them change and such. Well obviously someone was listening and that has now been installed. SE only had one train going which meant that the line could sometimes get fairly long. LW still only has the blue train on the track, I'm still wondering what the cargo hold things, can't think of the name for them right now are doing next to the ride, or have they always been there?!?! Photo booth never opened all day, and one thing I really liked was the music in the main square outside LW it was turned up really loud and I don't know what it was but it seemed to give it more charm. Scooby was looking good, everything working and I did 3 times and some points there was fair amount of fog in there, and at one point the whole bottom floor was completely flooded in it. I know because I went right through and got a whole mouth of, and that stuff doesn't smell to good. Laser's all working, still don't like the red laser, prefer the green one, but hey that was just me. The main room wasn't as fogged as it use to be but it looked really good and was a lot of fun, if I was being really picky music could have been a little louder. River ride was still really fun as it always, but out of everything today would have said it was the worst, it was just little things that weren't working the tree scene, rock falling, bugs with the Koala's and maybe another one or two, and one of the waterfalls weren't. Don't get me wrong it was still looking great and a lot of fun, its just not the same if your expecting something to do something and it just sits there and other people on the ride were commenting! Also this was the only ride were I saw only one staff member that clearly looked like they didn't want to be there, but every other staff member were great today, lately I had been struggling to find a friendly one. Batman, I forgot that this is such a fantastic ride, I mean the ride itself it was very outdated, but I mean it is a lot of fun and a great crowd soaker when they have their busy days and the level of theming and detail that the ride has leaves a lot to be desired for things like Batwing! Really if you did a new story and improved the simulator you'd have an even better ride and more people going on it, who knows you might actually see all the simulators full instead of just a couple of them running. Mainstreet I don't know if anyone has said this before but there is now a lighting rack just above where the usually shows just outside the Daily Planet, there is also a two large sets of speakers off the screen and down mainstreet off each pole there are speakers. Now I think I may have forgotten some things but if I remember I'll come back to it later. But yea while there were things in the park that weren't what they used to be and somethings were gone or not working or there things like internet cafe. Other things in the park had been improved which was great to see and I had an awesome day and a lot of fun, if the park could keep the standards I saw today and polished some things I would dare say it was like its glory day's.

^^ How can you not blame MW for closing the ride, its their fault for letting fall into disrepair, just like its their fault for letting BT get to the point its at. Now if the River ride is really bad like that then its fallen apart really quickly because when I went on it last at the last school holidays it was running perfectly with everything working as it should, apart from a really unenthusiastic staff member Ok I'm going to say rumoured to be true is Shrek because I remember again on the rumour mill that when it opened WVTP signed a 5 year deal to secure the rights to use the ride and film and obviously naming and characters at from what I heard a fairly large price tag per year. Now its coming up around five years which would mean if it is true the contract is up for renewal. However with the new Shrek coming out I would imagine the company keeping the ride for a few more years. But if what Randy says is true the character and store are already no more it just adds more fuel that's what it is. Could be plausible, well its tough one but simply based on cost and what is currently on offer... River ride, could be done cheap, but still to a good level. It is old, however that's no excuse to just get rid of it, but just to me it seems plausible, no matter I would HATE to see it go, its a good crowd soaker, great for hot days and everyone just really loves it no matter if their young or old, its always re-rideable no matter how times you've already been on it before and you get to see your favourite Looney Tunes character and we all know Bugs is the best!! I see as completely untrue is LW because It was just so expensive when it was built, not only that the park only has 2 big roller coasters, you take that out your left with one and your left with a park that doesn't have a coaster that loops, to me it would just seem pretty stupid to take something like that away especially if it was being replaced by another coaster, when we've previously seen if you put the new Vekoma trains on the ride and what is a relatively cheap option and makes it as good and as smooth as a B&M (not my words, read it on a review when they put on a coaster overseas) but no matter to me its a no brainer. However having said that LW is missing a train and has been for sometime and from all accounts it ain't coming back and it is the ride that doesn't exactly have the best story, theming to it. But I do remember hearing it was suppose to have a much more elaborate set but due to money it was cut back, why not put that extra bit of theming in it some fire like on X2, the new trains, just really bring some life into it. So there's my thoughts on it... also though the last 2 there's pro's and con's in both of them so it could go either way as which one is completely untrue and could be plausible!!

Another question, Randy are sure you're allowed to tell us this information? Because these plans aren't for another 2 years and considering they won't even tell us about this year I would think WVTP, knowing them and how they are so secret, I would imagine they would be pretty angry with you releasing it. Which leads me to think your hearing this on the rumour mill and its not true, which is what I believe or it is true and I would think on your part its pretty stupid to be saying this on a forum. So please if you can tell us this info great, but for your sake if you can't, don't. And I do secretly hope that it doesn't demolished, it may be rough, but its a heap of fun and its only suspended coaster and our only coaster that loops that many times, it would be a sad day to see it go

Yea can I just ask... where has the red train been? It's like it went into the Bermuda Triangle and disappeared off the face of the Earth, actually a bit like BT ride effects, because on busy days LW really needs 2 train operation!

There is plenty of room in H20, and my gut is telling me the way they have taken the slides down so carefully is because they will be popping back up in the park, to me the most obvious is H20. Also though if the waterpark at SW is gone I hope they move the Mammoth Falls slide back to WnW put it back over there somewhere, they could make room, I loved that slide and to add another over there they could move people then in all threee areas of the park with something new. While their at it, can they make one of the slides enclosed and dark, give it that edge and if WWW ever tried to do a Mammoth or dark one WnW will already have both and have the upper hand. I hope management are listening to people's ideas on here!!

See being a business money is all they are worried about, if they were a good business they would be able to do both, look after their customers and keep them happy, while still being profitable and making money and if done right they go hand-in-hand.

Once upon a time I would have argued that WVTP staff were far better than DW who the rude ones. Completely opposite last time I was DW the staff were awesome and really interected and had fun with their customers, which really just ads to that experience, one of them gave me and my friend a shout out after I asked when The Claw started, I thought it was cool! Also the ride supervisor of all their rides was getting everyone to clap after every ride and was awesome as well as the F&B staff and really just all the staff in the park. Whereas last time at MW when I went to go and get my pass done something like thrid or fourth time and it was 4.55 and they'd closed, with still people inside and I asked could I quickly get mine fixed because they had screwed up so many times and front gate had told me next time they wouldn't let me in... She rudely turned around and went not my problem, that's yours for not knowing when they closed, I said well there's no sign and staff never told, I got to bad not problem my shift is over. I went to guest services, told them what happened and she was rude, they told me she was in the right even though they had stuffed up, I explained front gate wouldn't let me what should I do then? They said buy a new one, I just said forget. There was a time when those parks did everything for guests because they were afraid of it getting back to mangement and people like John Menzies, now there not the top dogs staff act like its them before the customer. Well that's true if you want to destroy a companies well built reputation.

Said it before, I'll say it again and now from when you drive by the park its pretty clear Twister & Speed coaster are coming back! They have been tacken down carefully, not like when they got rid of the old body slides, I mean Twister especially was such a busy ride and so much fun they would be idiots not to move it somewhere else!! Plus they still need them for capacitiy. I mean four looping slides are going to be pretty popular and bring more people to the park and bring its attendance up again, it needs those extras to help on the Summer days. I don't see Terror Canyon coming back, but we just have to get over that, things come and they go, we just have to expect that, as long as when its replaced, its replaced with something that's FUN

If they are making so much money then why can't they make them look like belong in sea side themed park, it honestly wouldn't be so hard if they are doing as well as you say.... and if they are doing so well then why aren't we seeing things like BT getting the repairs that are needed, or money pumped into the train starting again? Simple answer, the games maybe doing well but the money isn't going into the park but to make it look more profitable to give the managers a bigger bonus and thats it! So really if they don't look good and we see the money not going back into the park, looking at the bigger picture, yes they are a bad thing! Now I could be wrong and someone please do that the money is going back into the park, but I personally just don't see it. About Bermuda Triangle, my personal opinion, because the state it has been turned into, that it is on its way out in the near future, I have this gut feeling that they feel its past its date and are going to turn into something new, but for now because it is on the way out they couldn't care less at what state its in because they'd be fixing it only to see it go. Once again I hope my gut is wrong and we see it returned to its former glory and be around for another 50years like the rides at Disney. Just like the Ski show is iconic for the park I feel BT is as well the volcano's with fire, I'd even go so far as to stay that its an icon of the Gold Coast, everyone knows of the ride and loves it. "Disney executives were amazed the ride had been built so cheap, claiming that an identical ride in the states would have cost at least $20 million." This is from the Parkz website here, even Disney thought it was awesome, if the industry leaders loved it and were amazed at how it could be so cheaply built... why get rid of it? At its prime it still held huge lines and was great taking so many people out of the park.

I'm sorry but does anyone else think that those games look tacky and cheap and just thrown up there, its like they looked at Disney's Paradise Pier games area, went "hey that looks like a good money maker and looks like they did cheap... let's throw that in there!!" But in case they haven't noticed they look so bad Disney are ripping there's down and are actually doing them properly as a THEME park should. Now those photos, I think this could be the new ride for SW, wasn't there mention of something in the paper about them getting something? But anyway if it is there's where their putting the money and once its done they won't touch cause it, I mean who cares the public won't care, its made its money we'll just put something new in, WRONG, didn't work for SF and it won't work for them, how long will take them to figure, hopefully no enough before SW is destroyed for good. That's even if they theme it all and thats even if its a new ride or just removing something that cost them too much money.

Hey guys, well I didn't really want to start a new thread, but I didn't want to bring one back from the dead either and we'll there aren't to many WnW topics to talk about anything which is why I made this, otherwise if I just made it on what I wanted to say I think it would have died off pretty quickly. So with Richard's new re-arranging of the forums I thought why not we can talk about the new rides coming to the park terror canyon, what we like about it, what we don't what we want to see, trip reports anything really. I thought it would make it easier to talk about it all in one forum then have all theses different ones. So anyway kicking it off REA/TEA have released this years figures for attendance, well last year's but anyway we came in at 8th place with 1.095million people and that was up 6.8% from last year, not a bad effort really and one would assume this is because they offered such cheap passes. We were beaten Wet'n'Wild in Orlando owned by Universal which came in at 1.235 and was down 5% actually interestingly all Universal owned parks dropped by the looks Aquatica came in at 1.6 mil also falling 6.8%. Again number one was Disney's Typhoon lagoon at 2.059mil and Blizzard Beach 1.181mil both not moving from last year. Sunway was 907 000 down 17.5% which was a big drop, no mention of Wet'n'Wild's other properties at Hawaii and Phoenix and obviously no WWW 20th place went to Hyland Hills Water World at 515000. Anyway look for yourself http://www.teaconnect.org/etea/2009ThemeIndex.pdf It makes we wonder when they put in looping slides that's going to be a bog crowd draw I wonder if it will go up next year and will it raise in places, and with the way they dismantled Speedcoaster and Twister it looks as if they will be returning increasing capacity which is a plus. Another thing if we see that the Disney water park is smaller than WnW I wondered people have always wanted to see a Disney park here and we see that clearly you brand it Disney and the people will come wouldn't this be a viable alternative for them to get into the Aussie market, we love waterparks and their cheaper to build than a Disney style themepark and would still rake the money in, put in a hotel next door and Bam they would have it made, and if it all goes well they go ahead down the track with a theme park use the water park as a test, it would make WWW and WnW try harder and maybe the theme parks would sit up and listen as well that they need to lift their game in case the park came soon after.

If they give 10% discount on F&B can they include drinks into part of the meal and offer people the choice again of small medium and large not just large, I don't bother with a drink anymore because I don't always want something so big so I just give it a pass, their missing extra revenue by giving people less choice and they still make a ton of money from medium drinks because they cost nothing to begin with.

The problem that's now been created with the passes locals are so use to paying such low prices for so long, when the passes end are they prepared to go back and pay full price for just one park for one day?

I have a feeling that we'll see thesees rides back again, Speedcoaster offers a good step up for little ones before taking on bigger slides and Twister, well that's just loved by everyone, its such an awesome ride, they would be foolish to dump them and they want to get bigger with capacity for more guests to beat WWW and they already closed Terror Canyon. I think we will see these rides re-appear in H-20 the only reason aqualoop isn't they just want you to see looping slides at the front for marketing pruposes and they're pre-pared to pay the extra to move slides for this.

Exactly it management makes everything, we saw the quality of the parks when John Menzies was in charge, the quality he provided in cleanliness, rides, shows, everything. He had goals for his park, he had to have everything perfect, his parks were everything he was there for decades and saw them from the gorund up; he run those parks on similiar styles to Disney on what budget his company allowed him. There's that saying build a good brand and product and they will come; DW strayed away from that, in the short run they made money, in the long run however we constantly now see them reporting drops in attendance and are now trying to turn it around. It was obivious when the new managment took over, price's went up, lower quality products, obivious cost cutting. Management need to sit back and go, yea were doing this wrong and go back to the days of Scooby, Wild West, Bermuda Triangle and Polar Bear Shores and bring back their quality and for christ sake bring sizes back to drink and put them back in the combo.

Well lylefart DW have clearly stated that this year a ride is going to be overhauled... and this one with the time its out it seems pretty likey ToT is the one getting the treatment and agreed its in desperate need of a paint job and que to be touched up. With DW fb page I don't get it they told shareholders one of their rides is getting overhauled why can't they at least say that instead of rumours when they confirmed it just not which ride and they claim to be giving out info first?!?! I don't get it.

I drive past every morning and night of the week, and at night as mentioned they pull it up the top and in the morning it comes down and they also take the gondola up very slow and its stops at places (I'm guessing where that thing that sticks out of the tower every so often up and just go through normal testing for the day) at places and so on. Don't always see it at the same time though; tomorrow at 8.30 the car could still be at the top, they wouldn't have started on it. You just got to be lucky with what time you drive past and what their up to. Same with Batwing you see in the morning stopped at different places up the tower, but not always you can drive past same time and instead see SE doing its thing or Road Runner!

Exactly we need something the public goes WOW at and not havn't we seen this before? even if there is difference it needs to marketably different. Ardent Leisure have built a different silde to WnW yet are marketing as if they are the same rides people will start asking isn't that the same thing, you need to be different from the competition but good different! I can see Giant Inverted Boomerang working, but WOW IT GOES BACKWARDS... ToT does that and although not as fast so does scooby and Wild West. See thats where my dream flyers and dive coasters can work... WOW YOU LIE DOWN LIKE YOUR FLYING / WOW YOU HANG OFF THE EDGE, LOOK HOW MANY PEOPLE THEY HAVE IN A ROW!

See yep, I'm a Queenslander and winter is way too cold for me, not going anywhere near those placesa! I love the water and it usually isn't to bad for things like wavepool as long as they warm... but rides that require only small amounts of water or a really high up on a windy day... no thanks! Also I've tried carrying a towel around, I reccomend many because after not to long that towel become pretty wet and useless, shirts are as what Gazza said horrible in winter. I love the Blackhole in winter always the warmest slide but that's not WWW things like Green Room and Tornado are always freezing they never warm up! Also do they put covers over the cave of waves... I know WnW wavepool gets it, but its pretty square, but the Cave of Waves isn't so square?!?! Gold Coaster the problem is, one: pools cost a lot to heat a mean turning up the heater one degree in an olympic adds alot to the power bill, and they have covers put on them at night to keep the heat in costing less power and making it warmer, putting covers over a lazy river would be a hard task plus its so spread out heating would cost alot and yes wouldn't have covers two: lazy rivers use a lot of staff being that there are a lot of blind corners, the amount of guests in park and the amount of staff taken to run them just doesn't add up for them I imagine guest to staff ratio just wouldn't see the point in having all those staff for like 3 or maybe people on it. Other rides don't take that many staff to run them compared to a lazy river. Anyway thats how see, if it is different or could be done different then... yea just tell me or something.

Well Tatsu was 21mil kinda not what our parks spend considering then the exchange rate... however it was built on a mountain and in an area where its prone to earthquakes which I say added to costs... don't know about Manta... but maybe smaller versions of these could be in our parks budget?!?! Oh and Shiekra is 13.5milUS thats another one in our reach although Griffon was 15.6milUS.

The differnece is that yesterday was the school holidays and its autumn not winter, guarentee you by Winter and during school, the majority of the time the place will be dead same with W'n'W bet it was packed over these holidays and not so packed over winter... its just what happens in our water parks in winter Queenslanders think its too cold, only people in there are from down south where its hot compared to their winter

Okay I swear that post is De Ja Vu that saw the same one somewhere but I'm to tired to bothered if its yes or no. The last two well the suspended looping... we already have something similiar... I want something that's fun but different would be cool... and LW is very rough so if it was Vekoma obviously their new track and train would have to be in order and different layout offering a different experience to LW, B&M inverted I'm up for but still the average Joe would need a noticable difference or they would think copy of LW afterall thats from what I gather is most people reaction to WWW, not that WWW isn't bad and in its own is different but most general public I know don't see much difference... but yea a cobra roll, for me, would have to be on the B&M. A Maverick ride would be awesome so would a Millenium Force... what you need to look at is our parks have never spent over 20mil on their rides... these might be to ambitious 21milUS for Maverick which would cost us more and 25mil for Millenium unless they go all out I don't see us going that big... maybe samller versions but not the full size and TTD or King Da Ka well its one trick pony and real expensive if we had that I'd expect it to do something like SE or Xcelerator after the top hat and besides SE does it one a smaller scale GD goes nearly as tall as it and although its completely different and I've never been on TTD or King Da Ka but you go high and fast on TOT sooooo yea.... But hey we can dream can't we? My dream I would love to see a B&M Flying or floorless dive! Oh yea and the whole front page of Parkz on latest forum updates is all DW topics