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Yeah this is a tree falling in a forest Zen philosophy sort of thing. It's the interactions between the 2. Normally one will say something, the other will argue because internet and theyll both back and forth until name calling. Blocking isn't a perfect solution but it would make the earlier stages harder to achieve.

Push and Alex are welcome to block each other.

Debate us then, have an actual argument about why you think we're wrong. Don't just say I disagree and you're too negative without backing it up. 'You say consistently quality attractions at VRTP yet they added Sky Flyer. You're giving them a pass for adding crap.' That would be an argument; an actual point to support your opinion. I've now made more points for your argument than you have. I might still disagree with you when you're done but at least you'll have made a point. If you're not going to back up your position, I guess agree to disagree is the best we can do. I think you're wrong. That doesn't mean I dislike you or think all your contributions are invalid, but I think your opinion is not supported by facts. The article says 'DW have tentatively said publically something different to what they've been saying. Here's the context as to why they might be saying that, and here's why that's a good thing.' The article doesn't say 'DW says maybe thrill rides in the future. That's dumb'

Unsurprisingly, citation is unable to be provided. Same as I'm unable to provide evidence that the same extra scrutiny on theme parks is affecting Scooby. Oh and Sea World is a mess. They should never have gotten in such a state that they needed to add a temporary attraction.

I think it would be better for you if you untangle those 2 things in your mind. I think it's clouding your judgement and making you unable to take things on their merits. Reality is; Rivals is a really good coaster and is probably one of the biggest things that has helped Movie World get out of the post accident slump. As for 2 years and still getting praise; yeah what of it? It and Superman are really friggen good. No one heaps praise on Doomsday or Batwing because they're filler. Mostly what Ardent has added is also filler. DW got praised for the better part of 2 decades for the Tot/GD combo too, and with good reason. But they never followed it up with anything else amazing, and now those rides have been surpassed, it's very 'The king has no clothes' sort of thing. Reality is; Sky Voyager will probably be pretty good when it opens but it isn't yet. DW also bet a lot on that ride giving them a boost. The ride isn't open and they haven't had that boost. If you want to pretend that the reason it isn't open yet is because they were doing something so innovative, new and ambitious that it was impossible to get it done on time then that's up to you. You could face the reality and admit the truth that the ride is delayed because they are caught in a world of regulatory hurt that they caused themselves by falsifying documents to OH&S before TRRR's accident, but again, you should not be forced to allow reality into your bubble. Finally, you brought up Rivals and Sky Voyager in the uniqueness thread, so here it is, neither of these rides are unique. Rivals is excellent, Sky Voyager will probably be very good when it opens, but neither are unique. If you think Sky Voyager is unique because of a custom film or by virtue of the fact there's no other simulator like it in Austrlia, then Rivals is also unique by virtue of custom layout and being the only coaster of its type in Australia. You can't have one without the other.

Why do you think Sky Voyager is unique or 'taking a risk'? It's actually a really high satisfaction ride no matter where they get installed. The only 'risk' is it can be hard to advertise exactly what it is. I feel like you're bringing your own baggage to this conversation

Are you sad because reality is interfering with the fairy tale bubble you want to live in?

Does anyone really make one of a kind attractions these days? Feels like it's back in the days when parks had old eccentric owners who poured their creativity into parks that you'd get truly one off in house attractions. Off the top of my head there's Whirlpool at WnW, a live SCUBA diving show at SW, and paddlesteemer bushrangers show at DW. I would also suggest that Young Einstein's gravity house at MW would fit into that, even if the idea was borrowed from Freedomland USA (another CV Wood park). I think aside from the standard high-end innovative stuff that Disney and Universal do, most additions these are more clinical and less unique. Even the unique stuff is stuff that you pick out of a catalogue from a manufacturer, or the same thing as something else with a different skin. You still get occasional unique things but I think it's rarer than it used to be. Having said that, whatever that strange Movie themed park in Italy is looks pretty wild.

Well that's shit.

Lol what? That can't be right

Does anyone know how many seats?

Why does a 4 year old care if stuff is new or not?

RE flexible pricing: I'd like them to do it but not tell anyone. Rock up on a day when multiple rides are closed? $20 off a day. Already paid for a ticket you're using today? Here's a thing that'll give you unlimited soft drinks. People can forgive stuff if they think you're acting in good faith. And yeah I think buy 3 get 1 free isn't the right deal. I get the idea of having a deadline to a deal to increase urgency, but I think a straight up 25% discount would do it better. If I were looking at buying a pass, the offer of 4 for the price of 3 would not be compelling to me as I don't want 4 passes.

It's taking all my strength not to side track the current conversation with a big rant about why the above post is wrong. I think if I can do it, we all can do it.

Genuinely though, it is only 2 performances in and I would expect things to change. I actually don't really want to watch the opening show online and be too critical. I will go watch this one and see what it's like. I think I know what it'll be like, I think it'll be the sort of show that even 12 year old me would've found too cheesy. It seems like a 40 something year old man's take on what kids like, only to find that kids likes have changed in the last 30 years. That's the attitude I'll be going in with, but I really do want to like it too. Getting rid of the Ski Show was the dumbest thing the new management team did when they came in. A real fuck you to the park's history and tradition. Also from a showmanship point of view it was stupid, putting a high dive show on such a massive lake was never going to be impressive. So I'm really happy that finally something a bit bigger is going on the lake. It's just a shame that instead of Waterski Wipeout which was cheesy, but fun, we get basically the same thing but seemingly played straight and edgy. Hopefully I'm wrong, those who have seen the video will know if I'm wrong, and by all means let me know. I'll find out for sure in a week or two.

I got 52 seconds in, how'd everyone else go?

I dunno that last line of 'I guess they don't care about us' is pretty sulky/Tantrum like to me. I think if you're only going to a park to get content you're not really an enthusiast.

Yep got it.

Thing is if your plan involves removing Tot, you need to explain that something better is coming and be specific. If you close that ride without concept art of a kick ass new coaster the public will keep saying 'They have no idea, fuck DW'. Look at what's happened with Wipeout. Even if a tour billion goes into Wipeout's spot a lot of the PR damage is done and it will seem reactionary rather than proactive and positive.

Yeah I don't understand calls for seasonal operation. DW historically runs at a profit in winter. You fix the park you fix the need for an off season. I also don't fully understand people who want to hang on to relics from the past (Reviving the Gold Rush theme, really?), spend multi millions on new stuff AND make DW a discount option. Discounting prices is something you do NOW to get through the short term when you've got nothing to advertise. It isn't something you do when you have a full strength park that's just had 2 or more of the Gold Coast's best new rides added to it.

I think closing the whole park for a few months does have some merit. It would allow them to do hardcore construction without having to juggle operations and having it impact on guest experience. It also gives you a chance to relaunch, and draw a line in the sand and say 'that was Old DW, this is new DW' and gives a good chance to change the narrative about the park. It only works if you're adding a good couple of rides and you're upfront with what you're removing before you do it.

Without getting into too much fan fiction, my plan would be basically this; MUCH cheaper tickets. DW can't compete with the others on price right now, and having high tickets just means an empty park. DW needs people in the park for atmosphere. Secondly, make a list of what needs to go, and make replacement plans. Once the plans are somewhat settled, advertise the last day of operations for whatever it is you're closing. On the last day announce what the replacements are to be, complete with concept art both in park and to the media. Build hype for the future. Plans should include at least 1 new awesome top of the range coaster.

Good to see them adding new seats.

Aaaand stopped

Oh my god stop.