Brad2912

The empire is defeated...

I am no theme park CEO, but i can pretty safely say if I was one and one of my rides was decommissioned after people died on it I would sure as hell make certain any trace of said ride was removed from my social media feeds...

Pretty much agree with your thoughts @Levithian i don’t blame the ride ops - it’s management. Not providing adequate training, or adequate safety systems/policies. The fact they haven’t had emergency response training SINCE 4 people died in the Park is utterly unbelievable. Back in my retail management days, I had a staff member break an ankle when an incorrectly stored pallet fell onto his leg. I used that opportunity to document and develop a new safety plan, and every single person in the business had to read documentation, show a physical understanding of it, and sign to say they understood and took accountability for it. This is commonplace in many industries - to think it isn’t in use in a theme park is borderline terrifying.

RAFT COLLISION HAS HAPPENED PREVIOUSLY JUNE 22, 2018 AN electrician did not attend the second failure of the south pump on the day of the Thunder River Rapids Ride disaster, the Dreamworld inquest has heard. Dreamworld mechanic Matthew Robertson has told the inquest it was the usual practice for a mechanic and electrician to be rostered on each day as park technicians. One the day of the disaster, which killed four people when a water pump failed just after 2pm on October 25, 2016, two mechanics had been rostered on to attend any breakdowns that day. The disaster occurred after the south pump failed for the third time that day. Mr Robertson said when the first breakdown occurred at 11.50am the mechanics called in help from an electrician who then showed them how to fix the pump”. “They (electricians) were distracted, there were other issues electrically in other aspects of the park,” he said. “I thought that if we knew and were allowed to reset them it would speed the process up.” When the pump failed again at 1.09pm, Mr Robertson went to the ride with a fellow mechanic. Mr Robertson said he remained at the Thunder River Rapids Ride control panel when the other mechanic went to another part of the ride. “I’m not 100 per cent if it was communicated to me before or after (that he) attended the (pump) drive room,” he said. “He returned and said he had reset the pumps.” Mr Robertson said the south pump then started and the pair signed off the maintenance log. He said he was asked by ride supervisor Sarah Cotter about what they were going to do about the pump dropping out. Mr Robertson told the inquest he told her it was their policy to shut the ride down for the day if the same fault happened for a third time. He said he had been told that policy a week or two earlier. A THUNDER River Rapids Ride operator was terminated from Dreamworld after two rafts collided on the conveyor almost two years before the disaster, an inquest has heard. No one was injured in the November 2014 incident which saw the man fired almost two years before the terrifying tragedy which killed four people. Barrister Steven Whybrow, acting for the families of Ms Goodchild and Mr Dorsett, this morning read from the employee’s termination letter. The letter said after a pump shut down on the ride, “a raft containing guests has bottomed out at the top of the conveyor due to water supply”. “An additional raft containing guests has then collided with it and continued to be pushed by the conveyor until it was shut down,” Mr Whybrow read from the letter. Ride operator Chloe Brix, who has worked on the Thunder River Rapids Ride since 2013, said operators were never told about the incident or debriefed on safety procedures following the 2014 incident. Ms Brix said she only found out about the other employees termination through gossip. #Dreamworld inquest: Matthew Robertson says there was a new system installed on the Thunder River Rapids ride that would shut down the conveyor belt if rafts got too close, but there were “issues” with the sensors @SkyNewsAust 11:00 AM - Jun 22, 2018 · Gold Coast,

Nothing shits me more than muppets who shout “bully” at people who just disagree with them or point out an error in their argument. All that does it then diminish, downplay & dilute the true seriousness of real bullying which is a massive issue.

Yeah same guy I was referring to

Some guy on FB commenting on one of the articles claims to have been a senior ride op on TRR for over a decade and is adamant that an e-stop button is in place at the unload point that stops the conveyor. He says this is a different e-stop to the one at the main controls and the one down the walkway near the conveyor itself - so essentially a third e-stop. He states it was in place when he left the business a few years back so was there unless removed

I have read previously that MW regularly does evac training on rides, and I believe emergency services have also been involved in these drills for high rescue practice

He ‘now’ works at WWW. He didn’t back then. And again, whilst I believe ride ops operating water based rides should be CPR trained, I don’t necessarily believe that means all staff at WWW are. Life guards clearly, but not sure if staff on the towers are.

Well it’s the Funhouse thread, of course.

Well as long as you feel more inclined to buy a car after your visit here tonight, then I guess we’re all leaving happy.

Last time I tried to use that code somewhere I was pulled into a dark office and frisked by a overweight sweaty rent-a-guard named Stanley. I wont fall for that again...

Just a friendly suggestion @razza1987 maybe just quote the relevant part, especially when the quoted post is as large as that. You asked about clinicians and I had to re-read that whole thing to find the context when you could have just quoted that one paragraph.

Woohoo! Can I trade those points in at the redemption counter?

Well according to the report today, the senior Ride op said he noticed the drop in water levels so pressed the slow stop button prior to the incident to stop the conveyor, but nothing happened. He went and unloaded the next group, still nothing had happened, so he went and pressed it more times.. that was when the second raft continued to move down the conveyor

No, I’m saying it is more possible to cause harm performing CPR on a baby than it is on an adult. It Would be near impossible to cause “more” damage to an adult by stuffing up cpr than not trying at all, whereas doing cpr on a baby/young infant you need to make sure you know what you are doing,

Much of the third day of the inquest into their deaths, being held at Southport Courthouse, considered the timing and sequence which level-three ride operator Peter Nemeth pushed the eight-second emergency stop button after seeing the water level had dropped on the ride. The inquest heard Mr Nemeth saw the water level was low and went into the control room to press the slow-stop button in an attempt to stop the conveyor belt on the ride, but it did not work. He returned to help unload passengers from a raft before going back and hitting the button about three more times when he saw two rafts were about to collide, moments before the fatal accident, as the conveyor belt had not stopped. Under cross-examination by barrister Craig Eberhardt, for Ardent Group safety manager Angus Hutchings, Mr Nemeth conceded he did not press the two-second emergency stop button at the unload end of the ride, despite being the senior person in charge on the day of the fatal disaster. He asked if there was a reason the ride operator didn’t race over and press the button. “If I had a bit more time I could have done that I think... you’re speculating how many seconds... I don’t know if I could have done that,” Mr Nemeth replied. Mr Nemeth later said there would not have been enough time to run the 10m to the unload area and press the button. “You didn’t even try did you?” Mr Eberhardt asked. “No, I didn’t try.”

Little different with a baby as if your compressions are done with your palm instead of using 2 fingers you can easily break their ribs which can cause severe internal injuries, or if you blow into their lungs rather than puff you can overinflated & burst their lungs.

Whilst I wouldn’t expect all ride ops to be first aid trained, I would have made an assumption that senior ride ops operating water based rides would have CPR training as a minimum, and that’s a fair expectation imo... Ok this is just strange now... 3pm news on the radio just said that the senior operator has now admitted he didn’t even hit the emergency stop button “because there wasn’t time”...

Given the info that’s come out in the last 48 hours I’m hesitant to complain that they are actually doing maintenance....

So ‘Clive Palmers’ Dreamworld’ doesn’t work for you? 😜

A very non-GCB article by the GCB... Opinion: Parks like Movie World a massive asset for the Gold Coast JUNE 20, 2018 A COUPLE of weeks ago I was on a roller coaster that stopped unexpectedly at Movie World. I was in a carriage with my 11-year-old daughter, a friend, and his five-year-old son. We were up there for at least five minutes, probably more, before being evacuated. And it was about the least frightening thing that’s happened to me in my life. It was a side of our theme parks most don’t get to see — what happens when safety precautions kick in. In our case, we were enjoying a spin on the wildly entertaining Scooby Doo Spooky Coaster when our carriage eased to a halt. For those who haven’t had the pleasure, the Scooby Doo coaster is an indoor ride that hurls you fast around a twisting track in near absolute darkness as the rambunctious theme tune to the popular show plays in the background. It’s an absolute hoot, a Movie World favourite that always draws long lines. As we spun through the main section of the ride our carriage slowed. The music stopped playing. The lights went up. And an impressive scene unfolded. Our carriage had parked itself at a walkway leading to an emergency exit, not normally visible in the dark. We watched as carriages behind us arrived, and each slowed to a perfect halt beside their own individual walkway and exit. It was precision engineering the Germans would be Proud of After a couple of minutes, a member of staff appeared at each exit, ready to release riders one by one and lead them to the exit. The staff member who assisted us apologised as she introduced herself — for being nervous. She was shaking a little. It was, she confessed, her “first evac”. She need not have worried. If she was nervous, she was the only one. The engineering marvel that unfolded and professionalism of the clearly well-trained employees, first-timers or not, had everyone perfectly at ease. It was a world away from the truly shocking tale of missed warnings and faulty pumps being told 15km away in the Southport Coroners Court this week. Although unrelated, the publicity from the tragic accident that took four lives at Dreamworld in October 2016 had a negative impact on all our theme parks. There is a fear that a similar downturn may happen again after this week’s proceedings. But there is an enormous gulf between the practices that allegedly contributed to the accident in 2016 and what I recently witnessed. When rides stop, people sometimes start taking pictures on their phones and spreading alarmist messages online. Sometimes TV news even jumps on the bandwagon. To do so is wrong and misleading. Controlled stops like the one I encountered are an indication of safety mechanisms operating exactly as they should. Remember, as we have learnt this week, one of the factors that caused the Dreamworld tragedy was that it did not have an automatic stopping mechanism. Yet since 2016, every time such a minor event occurs at a Gold Coast park, it is sensationalised into a drama it is not. It is damaging and very wrong, not least because our theme parks do more for Gold Coast tourism than any other business and deserve our support. They are a huge sour We’ve heard a lot recently about the potential of a so-called “Global Tourism Hub” or “Integrated Resort Development” to deliver a major attraction to the city. To do so such a development would be backed by a casino and God knows how many poker machines. Yet we already have the finest tourist attractions in the country sitting just off the M1 at Oxenford, and all built without a single family-destroying poker machine being installed. The theme parks have also received precious little marketing backing, featuring little in recent Gold Coast Tourism campaigns despite their obvious need of support in the past two years. And yet, at Oxenford, the investment has continued apace. The inquest taking place in the Southport Coroners Court this week has torn the scab off a wound that is still very raw. The details aired so far have been highly distressing. It is hard to imagine how the pain of the victims’ families attending proceedings could be made more intense. But allegations of missed warnings and bad practices dating back years will surely have done just that. The resulting publicity means the Gold Coast’s hard-won reputation as the nation’s premier tourist destination may take another hit, leading to a fall in numbers at all our theme parks, as happened in 2016. 7’That is something we should work to avoid because the reality is that places like Movie World are among this city’s greatest assets and incredibly well run — as I recently so clearly witnessed.

True, but your mobile phone company doesn’t usually take features away from your plan. Which is what has happened there. My issue stems more from what’s been taken than what’s being missed out on

If they were debuting a new joker I’d have rather seen a TDK Ledger version...