DaptoFunlandGuy

If, however, the requirement to get 20 riders minimum is necessary, then making those 10 people miss out to 'fill the next cycle' is fucked if nobody else wants to ride - those 10 people just missed out on a ride because they couldn't get another 10 for a second cycle...

Although some of the others are also true, these three, in my opinion, are the most likely.

That's akin to taking your car to the shop for new tyres, driving the car 12 feet off the lot before all four rims fall off the car, and then the tyre shop asking you to pay them for their work.

When a media outlet has no words, you're fucked.

Oops. Probably best to go with "if its not on the maintenance page, it's open, unless you were at the park and actually saw it"

is it just me, or is this daily update of date changes just becoming tiresome? I'm out. Can someone just create a thread when the damn ride reopens?

Undulating waves are created with air pressure or water paddles. High pressure air, or a moving paddle displaces water at the deep end forming a wave. In simple terms, the air model is a giant fan that creates a depression in the water, and the water displaced from that depression has to go elsewhere - creating a ripple. So in simple terms the mechanics, and cost to operate is fairly simple. In terms of construction, these displacement style pools really only require the pool itself, and connected filtration, with the fans or paddles placed at one end. A water dump pool uses a lot more energy to operate. I'll use Thunder Bay as an example - since it was what I could find some stats for online - it uses a 100, 200 & 300 horsepower pump to move water through 3 metres vertical, along a length of 9 metres of pipe, into the dump reservoirs. On the numbers - it dumps 341,000 litres into the 7.6 million litre pool to cause the waves. To generate waves of a reasonable frequency, these pumps have to move that water constantly - achieving approximately 150,000 litres per minute at normal speed. You're then running a hydraulic system to open and close the reservoirs (there are eight chambers at Thunder Bay, so 8 separate hydraulic doors), although the hydraulic pump is a small part of the system energy wise, it's another moving part requiring maintenance etc (and in the Tbay example, they use vegetable oil rather than regular hydraulic fluids due to the risk of the oil entering the pool water. Finally, rather than a standard 'pool' construction, to ensure the water dumped flows to the 'shore', the system can't pump water from the deep end, or else those pumps would be countering the effect - so the pool needs a water return, so that excess water at the shoreline can return back to the pumphouse. I found this little graphic online that represents it well, and as you can see - large volumes of water return in a specially constructed channel, rather than just pipes like a pneumatic wavepool filtration system, to move large volumes. These channels, with their steel and concrete, naturally cost more to construct as well. TL:DR - yeah, what @djrappa said.

I think though the point is that precedent doesn't stand for anything if the interpretation is the first time it's been clarified. If nobody has challenged it before, that doesn't mean that what they were doing was ok. I think, like most people - that a temporary, trailer-based attraction moving in for two months over summer, for example, isn't something anyone would think would need development approval. I think back to the days of school fetes, where carnival rides would truck in onto the school oval, set up, run for an afternoon, and then pack up and leave. Surely, this doesn't require council DA approval? So where does it change? Do Easter Show rides need a DA? does the Ekka? I should think not. So why then would Extreme Speed need a DA when it parks up behind Coney Island? It's absurd... and I think why none of the residents would have challenged it on a 'planning' front.... Do kids like to visit dusty museums? No. Does that mean we shouldn't preserve the exhibits they house? not at all. "Come on kids, let's go and ride the Rotor and other things you've been on a million times" The heritage is worth preserving, but - not every one appreciates it - so in order to keep the park viable, you need to offer something new. Installing ONE new ride doesn't immediately mean the park can survive without temporary attractions. The temporary rides add both additional capacity during peak times, AND provide something new to bring the locals back to ride it. I don't think there will ever be a time when LPS is completely devoid of temporary attraction space. I think they'd be smart to reserve a plot suitable for most trailers so that they can 'change it up' without massive investment on a regular basis, to keep things fresh in between their major installs.

*Note: full day product must be experienced over several months, as not all rides, shows and experiences are open year round due to never ending maintenance extensions

it's also just as clear that what was being 'meant' was that those in the first responder roles might not be as successful in their damages claim. If freak accident, I could agree. Given what we've heard so far at the inquest points to negligence, then they are just as liable as an employer to pay out to staff who have experienced trauma as a result. Those first responders (and let's not mince words - despite their qualifications, they were not employed as ambulance paramedics, or hospital trauma ward nurses. They staffed a first aid room.) didn't sign up to that job expecting to deal with a situation like this. A person who has never experienced this cannot possibly know whether this is something they can 'handle' until it happens. Something I learned very much the hard way, but that I have dealt with in a healthy way since. Within my service, I have inducted recruits, and we talk about the 'what ifs'. We do encourage those who feel they can't handle it to not attend incidents where those things are a possibility - but unfortunately not everyone knows what their limits are until they are exposed to it. If emergency responders were all hard asses, we wouldn't have industry programs like FESSN to promote and support the mental health and wellbeing of our emergency workers. A registered nurse doesn't necessarily have to work in a trauma ward or emergency department. She might spend her day administering pills to little old ladies in a nursing home. A paramedic might have left the critical care industry (or never started in it) because mass trauma had affected them previously, or their training exposure suggested they couldn't drive the big green bus, and so the job description of a first aider at a theme park dealing with little johnny's scraped knee from running down the tower of terror ramp, or little jane's bloody nose from diving underwater at the wave pool might be a good, happy place to get away from the daily (flesh) grind. Nobody can judge another person's experiences without walking a mile in their shoes. It's 100% "you don't know what they signed up for" situation applicable here, and to judge without knowing doesn't make sense logically. Part of me expects to be flamed for the above. the other part of me figures this is more than two iphone screens long, so it probably won't be read anyway.

Not quite JF. The whole hoo-hah arose after Hair Raiser, with LPS seeking to clarify their position on the need for DAs moving forward. On ALL moves, adds and changes for rides - be they new, heritage, or temporary. The subsequent judgment handed down provided clarification, but it was not what LPS had expected, and also - it went a step further stating DAs were required for temporary rides as well. Given that LPS has been doing that already for years, it is the more immediately relevant issue at hand - especially since they made a very media-public point of saying they wouldn't have temporary attractions in the corner for the school holidays - it was a very immediately noticeable issue, which has of course lead the state government to recognise action was needed. Should Jamberoo be allowed to host temporary attractions without a DA? since they are not governed by the state legislation and the state department of heritage and conservation, you should direct your question to (i think) the Kiama Municipal Council. Not all councils would require a DA for a temporary attraction (especially one that was trailer mounted), so you are perhaps barking up a tree that hasn't even been planted yet. Finally, if your post was only meant to discuss temporary rides, why then did you immediately refer to Kangaroo Island, an undoubtedly un-temporary attraction?

I think this particular line is what has upset @Levithian and as an emergency service volunteer, I can understand it. Whether the OP intended that to be 'this is my opinion' or whether the intention was 'this is what dreamworld could argue', I have to say I grabbed that particular quote before I read all of the responses it has now generated. I'm glad Levithian responded, because if he didn't I would have. If OP intended it to be 'this is what dreamworld could argue' fine - but its a shit thing to say, and something that would immediately lose face in the public eye for the defendants in any damages case. Clearly, few people here have been first responders and seen the real life impacts of events that some first responders see every day. Those people should just shut up, and say thankyou to those who daily endure the mental health battering that they endure to ensure you and your family are safe, well, and able to spit vitriol at others online.

TO be fair - he gets the news 3 hours before we do...

It's not a big question at all. This is a park that is over 80 years old, it is as much part of sydney's heritage as the opera house or the harbour bridge. It's a reason for them to be treated differently. In addition, the resident noise complaints that shut down the park previously have already been ruled on and overcome, and the resulting policy was designed to prevent that from shutting the park down in the future. An adverse ruling has caused a minor blip due to technical interpretation of said policy, and that will be rectified with amendments, to ensure the policy is carried out how it was intended. In 40 years, if Jamberoo is surrounded by Skyscrapers and those residents are complaining about noise, or ride colours, maybe the state government will step in and help them too.

Speaking from Wonderland knowledge, which should, but may not be the same - the unload point at the end of the conveyor is right next to the pumps. If the pumps were given a power disconnect, water stops flowing within seconds. As the highest point on the ride, the water level should drop RAPIDLY. Most of the pump flow is directed away from the load zone (which is why you have to walk over a bridge to get to the station - the water bypasses the station at that point), so it would be relatively safe to enter the water at the unload zone while the water level was dropping, but it should drain in less than a minute. Based on the first aider testimony, the e-stop wasn't engaged as claimed. Even if the first aider arrived on scene 30 seconds after the radio call, from testimony so far we have in order: operator presses e-stop operator calls control to report emergency - assume 1-2 rings, and then 20 second conversation control sees CCTV, makes the decision to upgrade from 'BLUE' to 'GREY' Makes the radio call to the responding staff - assume 20 seconds radio message We're close to a minute after the e-stop has been pressed according to the operator testimony, and allow another minute for the first aider to grab trauma kits, AED and run down the Q4U line - so two minutes to be on scene and the water is chest deep? Here's an intamin rapids diagram: And here's a dry station photo of the Wonderland Snowy River (during demolition) It's clear to see the water level through the station. It is worth noting however that we know Thunder River had issues with stability in the station, and Dreamworld installed the guiderails under the surface. From pics we saw previously, the guiderails were about a foot or so high, so you can probably add another 300 to the above measurements - giving you a possible 1500 deep water at the station - which isn't much higher than chest deep to begin with, depending on how tall you are (average australian male height is about 175-180cm according to the ABS. My completely uneducated viewpoint - either the e-stop didn't work, or the operator didn't press it as\when claimed.

i know there was a first aid station near the fairy shop thing, which is very close, but by the sounds of Clark's testimony, he came from the WWW clinic. Even at a dead sprint thats several minutes - especially carrying trauma kits and an AED. For the water to still be at chest height when he hit the water (hint - the trough itself isn't that deep, so chest height is practically full strength operation) it sounds very different to some of the operator testimony about how quickly the ride was stopped. Given the guy was level 2 paramedic, he'd have a level head. I have a lot of confidence that his testimony is reliable... which does bring into question other people's statements...

Haven't hit Paris yet, but I can answer some of your Fastpass question (and so can the website) Each eligible attraction on the fastpass list has a section near the ride where the fastpass machines are located. They sort of look a bit like a parking lot ticket machine (dispenser \ collector, not the pay machine). The machine has two slots - one for your entry ticket, and one to dispense the fastpass. The machines will only issue you with one fastpass every two hours (or once your previous fastpass has expired, whichever comes first), so its important to maximise this time by timing yourself to be in the area to get your next fastpass as soon as you're able to. So a couple practical examples to make sense of this - You enter WDS park at open, and proceed to Tower of Terror, to obtain a fastpass. Its 10am, and the fastpass is for 12-12:30pm. You then go immediately to Rock'N'Rollercoaster, where as it's right at the back of the park in Backlot, there are less crowds, and you don't queue for too long - possibly even squeezing in more than one ride before the queue blows out. It's now almost 11, and you have an hour to kill before your Tower fastpass, so you work your way back through Backlot and production courtyard. Since you want to do Ratatouille, work your way across the park to Toon Studio, stopping and doing things you want to do as you go, whilst keeping an eye on the time (and not riding standby lines if the queue is longer than the time to your next fastpass window), with an aim to get to Ratatouille by 12. Since it's now 2 hours since you got your last fastpass, you can now get one for Ratatouille, so you scan your ticket, get your fastpass, which says 12:45-1:15pm. You head back to tower, walk straight on and your ride is done. It's 12:30, so only 15 minutes until Ratatouille opens. You can't get another fastpass, since its within 2 hours, and the fastpass window hasn't expired yet, so you work your way back to Ratatouille, use your fastpass, and then since your fastpass has been used, you can now get another one. I've used WDS as its an easier \ less complex example with a straight forward park layout and only 3 attractions on the list. DLP has 6 attractions on the system, but obviously some are better than others. Consider what your must-do's are, what will be popular and have long lines, and try to plan your fastpass windows around being near those rides when your window opens. There are definitely strategies to maximising the fastpass, and among many others that includes things like squeezing in a big popular ride early when the queue is short, rather than wasting a fastpass window on something with a short line. This served us well on my last LA trip, but be careful you don't spend half your time chasing fastpasses from one side of the park to the other. The Disneyland parks all have a circular flow and it's easy to work your way from one side to the other without missing out too much. If you continuously run from one end of the park to the other you'll lose a lot of time that the fastpass doesn't always make back for you. It can be helpful though to give all the tickets to one person, and get them to run on ahead to obtain the fastpass, whilst the others take their time moving to the next ride or attraction - a good opportunity for toilet stops, grabbing a bite to eat or a drink - and you can work it well where one person queues for lunch and finds a table while the other runs off for the next fastpass. Enjoy - Paris is definitely on my bucket list!

In about 5 months time, @Bussy will log in and answer that question, but I think no.

Mr Cruz sounds like he shouldn't be making popcorn in a frying pan let alone have anything to do with theme park maintenance and safety.

Depends. Is it Disney?

Hi Annabelle! Welcome to Parkz! Traditionally, in the period you have available, the quietest period is just before christmas. Boxing day is traditionally a day where holidays start \ any promotional events, attractions and activities start - and these days are usually the busiest of the year... Bear in mind you might miss out on certain offerings that don't start until the 26th. it will still be busy due to school holidays already starting, and the plethora of annual passholders who visit just because its a cheap day out for them. WnW is best attended first thing in the morning - and you can do without a cabana or premium lounge option if you're happy to grab a spot early. Be wise about the spot you pick - work out the sun's path across the day and choose appropriately based on whether you want full sun, full shade, or grab a spot in one of the non-premium shaded seating areas. If you don't want to arrive early, or can't, the premium options are a way to guarantee 'your space'. It's also 'a little something special' if the trip is a one-off, or rare occurrence. Given the ticketing options, don't write off Sea World entirely - yes, the park's current offering isn't competitive, but it still offers things to do - and might be worth combining with a 'half day at the beach' or other time spent in surfers. The money you save on a cabana could also go towards an animal experience, if you're so inclined. Finally - thankyou for actually including the dates you're visiting and the time you have - many questions like this don't, which makes it harder without follow up questions to answer you. Hope the family has a great holiday!

He's probably on meth.

Yeah - because killing 4 people had absolutely nothing to do with the current negativity. As for whingers - paging Mr Kettle - Mr Kettle - there is a call for you from Mr Pot. Please pick up the black courtesy phone.

lol. my first reaction was to think 'who on earth would care about how to pronounce the guy's name with the subject matter at hand?' then i realised I was on Parkz. Cue 4 page thread discussing name origins and history.

Why would you theme a monorail to a mermaid? Plus I don't think Disney would license the IP As for WB \ LT \ Scoob and Animaniacs - as already referenced in this thread (do you even read people's replies?) Animaniacs is slated for a revival apparently. Looney Tunes is also frequently on TV on kids channels. Apparently a reboot of Space Jam is in the works too.