DaptoFunlandGuy

You speak with such authority, and yet you always appear so ignorant. I've never seen TRRR's turntable operate. TBH in it's set up at the time of the incident, it had probably been modified in such a way that you could never make it turn again, but it did once - otherwise there is no need for the round station house. there is no need for guests to walk a bridge from queuehouse to load zone. Almost every rapids ride i've ever seen has a turntable load station, or at least had one when it first opened. There are some notable exceptions, such as Singapore's Jurassic Rapids, which lifts rafts out of the water on a conveyor, and people load whilst on the conveyor, and then the rafts are lowered back down, but all these rides - whether they be turntable station or conveyor, were all designed to be continuous load arrangements. Some parks (Wonderland and Dreamworld are both examples) disabled the turntable, and preferred instead to 'stop' the rafts at points in the station, to allow guests to board from one stable object to another, as opposed to two moving objects. Here's a quick video of DCA's grizzly river: And here is how Universal does it in Singapore:

@pushbutton, as you should well know by now, but for the benefit of anyone who doesn't - TRRR was built in house at Dreamworld. They ARE the manufacturer. There was speculation that Intamin built it because the ride had some Intamin inner tubes, but it turned out the park had just bought the tubes from them. Wonderland (audible groan from the audience) had an Intamin installation. They also stopped their turntable from spinning, but the modified set up was done differently to dreamworld, and the conveyor had automatic stops and a block system through the station. There were never underground rails to prevent bottoming out. I will say though, that I believe the station rails were installed prior to the general 'track' rails. It's not like they were left alone though... they were still under the supervision and direction of a more senior ride operator whilst they consolidated their training...

Don't flatter yourself. It's called 'unread content' and it appears at the top right of the forums. When you click this link, it shows you everything in the forum you haven't read. I'm going to assume you didn't know this either, and if that's the case, this explains a lot about why you ask so many questions on topics that have already been answered - because you aren't reading all the topics. THis isn't having a go at you, this is me coming to more of an understanding as to why you appear to be so lazy - you're not lazy, you're just ignorant. Not an insult, just a truth - you didn't know. Anyway - I have far better things to do than 'stalk' someone. I read unread posts when I come here, and i respond if I feel so inclined. If i was stalking you, you'd know it.

They haven't rethemed Kevil. It's signage looms above trolls village like some sort of sick Pig-twisted empire. they've removed it off their website - but as yet, that means nothing.

We can all wish. Note how your immediate reaction is to be snarky?

Indeed it was, however - flaw identified, big cost to fix (as well as hit to image)... it was in the vein of what was suggested. This is precisely one of the things i've been talking about. https://www.parkz.com.au/forums/topic/7706-scooby-doo-spooky-coaster-refurb-in-novdec-2017/ Clearly you've seen it now, but perhaps when someone references an event like that so casually, assume it's been discussed in detail, and try and do a little searching before blurting out the question? Anyhow - big thanks to @jdude for efforts so far, hope you don't miss the screening of the CCTV, hope you can record it when it's shown, and looking forward to your reports tomorrow!

Not as it currently stands...

Yeah I figured that - it was a bit tongue in cheek. That said, one would hope that before they re-started the conveyor, they'd be communicating with the operator on the lift, advising of startup, so that they could advise the guests onboard to remain seated as it was about to restart... i mean who is gonna be stupid enough to stand up when they've just been told the restart is gonna get them off the ride in seconds? I doubt making the training longer would have had any benefit. Yesterday the trainer stated that the training went longer than scheduled, and that the trainer stays with the new operator until they are confident they have it right. Everyone learns differently. And yes - it's two buttons but it's also knowing what to do when things aren't right, and what things to look out for... You mean like Scooby?

What.... so they can stop it a second time?

But Joel said 2? And Joel is right! Because Joel! I was going to give the description of the old 'bus stop' cord on buses - but kids these days probably wouldn't understand what that is! But a lanyard e-stop would be similar. Here's a great image explanation:

Yeah - post here. google drive docs and so on can be lost to the ether. the Parkz forums go back 14 years, and if its posted in the thread, will last... there's only one person that'd be unhappy about it being posted in here....

No! It's Maintnace People don't walk past - they block the front walkway during the show.

Oh, I do enjoy how you just pull shit out of your arse and present it as fact. You do realise that Disney and Dreamworks do share? As a matter of fact, Disney Channel in Australia regularly shows both Shrek and Madagascar franchises... Somehow - I think you'll find it's more about Disney ramping up the star wars license, and less about some fanciful 'competitor' tag.

If you intend to continue playing the victim in everything you do, perhaps that is for the best.

You're an idiot. If YOU read words more carefully, you'd have understood what DjRappa had said differently. Rappa suggests had this ride been at a VRTP, the same incident COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED because VRTP's processes would have ensured the necessary safety, automation, modification etc were done... With the limited information we have available, we already know that there are several points in the timeline where, had the necessary changes been made, this could have been prevented. What DjRappa is saying (and I daresay, he would know) is that the processes VRTP have ensure those steps would have been taken \ implemented, thereby ensuring this incident would not have occurred, had it been a VRTP ride. Your points are contrary to many others. By very nature, that makes them an alternative viewpoint, which means there are unsettled facts. By nature, this means they are arguments (as in points of reasoning or logic, not as in quarrel or fight) Oh yeah, because i'm the only one with attitude. How do you think this comes across in response to someone who made a friendly and helpful suggestion for something it was possible (based on your history on these forums) you might not have known: So when you're going to react like that to someone who just tried to help you, by oath you're going to get a serve in return. Sure, you've got some stupid excuse this time - but what of all your other posts - do the car ads appear everytime? Because this isn't the first time you've done it. As for the stupid questions department: That's everything since the TRRR incident. Out of 22 (counting the multiple questions in a line), there's at least 14 there that practically anybody who reads these forums could answer without any context, and the rest could be answered by reading the thread preceding your question, or alternatively, not something people could answer without simply speculating. And even if its an acronym or similar that you've never come across, either reading in context (ie - is it about a ride or show of a name that fits the acronym?) or alternatively, using the site search engine to search on that term to reveal other posts where it is used, which can also give context. If you tried to help yourself, you'd probably frustrate less people... and by virtue, need to ask less questions.

Yeah - without Kevil, you'll be reduced to adoring the water feature in Madagascar.

Bullshit Razza. You waltz in, quote something from a decade ago in entirety, and ask a three word question like 'what's most annoying' expecting others to do essentially what you could have googled yourself without choking up the thread. In addition, you tend to reply to shit as you read it - so if you're reading a 25 page thread, we'll get posts from you with a question from page 7, and then an hour later another question from page 12, and then the following day, a question from page 22. Learn to use multiquote. Learn to reply to all in one post once you've finished reading the thread (because sometimes your question is already answered), try googling terms you don't understand before asking, and for gods sake learn how to edit quotes to remove text that isn't relevent to your reply. You're really starting to shit me. (I wager others are feeling the same) The statement was this event, with these contributing factors couldn't happen at VRTP because of the culture and procedures they have in place. If it's not the 'exact same event' then you can't really include it - are you going to suggest that a kid won't scrape his knee falling over on main street? no. As for referencing green lantern, that was a design problem from the manufacturer. No park is going to be able to prevent that from happening where the manufacturer has provided engineering clearances without performing NDT regularly (and expensively) which most industries would deem to be overkill. The issue wasn't caused by a homemade attraction, it wasn't caused by a litany of in-park modifications. It wasn't caused by failure to follow recommendations made out after previous incidents. Dude seriously - stop being so fucking argumentative. You're really acting like a tool, and you're not going to make friends here with that sort of attitude. Also, please try to improve your language and spelling, it just makes things easier to read.

^This is abso-flogging-lutely bang on. Couldn't have said it better. So how do you come to the determination that he was responsible for the death of his child, because he performed CPR inappropriately? Was there a coroner's report that stated this? Is there any shred of evidence you can point to online that verifies this? Yes, you said you can kill if done incorrectly - and my counter point is that you can't kill someone who is already dead. It is statements like yours, that scare people into some misconception that they might hurt the casualty if they do something wrong, and humans being humans, the natural response to that is 'not to to anything'. Which is how people die. Idle hands standing by watching someone who needs help, but not doing anything to help them - THAT is how people die. So stop perpetuating a statement that serves only to scare more people away from rendering help to someone in need. If i'm unconscious and not breathing, I don't GAF if you break my ribs, puncture my lungs and perforate my stomach (all possible injuries sustained from vigorous CPR), the fact will be that I am alive, and regardless of whether i'm hospitalised, suffer through surgeries, have to carry a piss-bag with me everywhere I go for the rest of my life, these are all more desirable than the alternative of death... You're missing the point. For a trained responder located near the front entrance to get to say... vintage cars, how long do you think it would take them? So let's assume someone is knocked down and run over by the car, or perhaps the engine explodes and knocks someone out... You've got 10 minutes until they're clinically brain dead, but damage occurs from 3 minutes. For every minute, survivability reduces by 10%. If there is nobody else there who is trained, should we all stand around and wait for the nurse to run through the park (which, due to Thunder river's closure, means a stupid roundabout way up stairs and down ramps)??? Not to mention first responders don't generally run in these situations either... so how long would it take you to reach vintage cars from the main gate at a brisk walk, assuming that you are not impeded by train or guest? Provided it is safe to do so (Danger being the first step in DRSABCD) if the person is not responsive, and not breathing, doing ANYTHING to help is better than nothing...

Coastguard or VMR? It doesn't matter either way, just curious which set of guidelines you work under. YOU CAN'T KILL SOMEONE WHO IS ALREADY DEAD. If a person requires CPR, this means that they are unconscious, and they are either not breathing, or not breathing effectively (uncontrollable gasping for example). If you do nothing, they will die. If you attempt something, you might save them. You might not. But you can't kill them twice... so it is better to try. In Australia, the authority on the appropriate CPR to administer, which is what dictates the course content to ASQA, and therefore what dictates what is taught within first aid and CPR courses by RTOs nationwide, is the Australian Resuscitation Council, and its pretty hard to bullshit bullshit bullshit your way out of a banner quote on the front page of their website. Skeet - you and I disagree on things from time to time. I have a lot of respect for your background, even though I don't know you, and only pick up on the 'vibe' of things you're involved in. I've gone toe to toe with you on many subjects and i've lost some of those and been proven wrong, at which point i'll gladly admit it - but you are never going to convince me on this point. You can't kill someone if you perform CPR on them incorrectly - because without your intervention they will certainly die. With CPR, even professional, qualified, textbook CPR, your chances of survival only increase from 0% to roughly 3-5%. If this father you talk of was told he 'killed his baby' by attempting CPR, whomever did so deserves to be drowned. Clearly that baby was unconscious and not breathing. Without defibrillation, that baby had, at best, a 5% chance of survival (defib would have been up to 70%). TO tell this father that in his efforts to help, he caused that childs death is disgusting. Even if he'd done it properly, there's no way of saying the child could have survived.

https://depts.washington.edu/learncpr/askdoctor.html When performing CPR, how do I know if it's working? You can tell if the chest rises with ventilation. It is hard to determine if the chest compression results in a pulse. Do the best you can and don't stop. It's better to perform CPR imperfectly than not at all. Can I kill someone if I do CPR incorrectly? No. Remember the person in cardiac arrest is already clinically dead. CPR can only help. Even if it's not done "letter perfect" it will probably provide some benefit to the victim. Reading ahead, these guys still recommend the Heimlich maneuver for choking - so perhaps another resource? https://resus.org.au/ The Australian Resuscitation Council. I'm not going to quote anything here because a screenshot of the front page of their website will do far better... Whilst the ARC, along with the NZRC who together form ANZCOR do stipulate that care should be taken not to over inflate the person's lungs, they all say the same thing - if a person is in need of CPR, they are already in mortal danger, and restoring breathing and circulation is the primary concern over any other risk of injury. As a minimum, you'd need advanced resuscitation or occupational first aid to administer oxygen. Your run of the mill "senior first aid" (also referred to as Apply first aid or Provide First Aid depending on how recently you did your course) course won't qualify you to do this. Oxygen is classed as a drug. The staff on duty in the first aid room should carry an occupational (or higher) first aid qualification, enabling them to administer oxygen. The park should have at least one person with this qualification or higher simply because they have a first aid room, and have a large number of people on site. Having the bottles there (if true) is likely based on a risk assessment - the experience on that ride can literally take your breath away, and it seems smart to have it positioned there if that is the case. I've never seen it myself personally though so i await some sort of photograph or similar...

That actually scares me a little bit.... in my office, our chief, fire and floor wardens cannot also be first aiders. In a fire\evac situation, our first aiders establish a triage point outside, whilst the wardens are clearing the building. If our wardens did first aid, there'd be a huge delay getting treatment to injured persons. Regardless, they'd be better than someone who has done no training at all. Any aid is better than none... but that doesn't mean every ride op, loader, grouper, greeter, loose items inspector and fairy floss vendor should be trained in first aid. Perhaps it should be a requirement of operators to reach a certain level... and it should then be practiced in drills regularly - at least every 3 months on a small scale, and annually involving a large scale response (*prior to park opening hours of course)

here's the latest from news.com.au: https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/news/dreamworld-staffer-didnt-know-first-aid-an-inquest-has-heard/news-story/d7157c7aad8cbfc4637cb7c5dbe0337e For fuck's sake. On the one hand, he's been referred to as 'one of dreamworld's top 10' operators, and really, I would expect the park would give some training to certain roles, but at the end of the day - its typical for a lifeguard at a waterpark to do first aid - mainly for the CPR aspect due to the drowning risk, but on theme park rides? I don't have an expectation that every ride op and loader is going to know first aid. the park has a first aid room \ staff member on duty who can respond wherever needed... but let's be real (and I apologise for the coarseness of this) - knowing first aid, or knowing how to rescue somebody trapped on a ride wouldn't have changed the outcome here. These operators have a lot of things to learn, remember, and do. I manage two different teams of first aiders - one in an office, and one in emergency response - and the number of responders that tunnel vision on a bleed and ignore the situation outside the wound is phenomenal. In a serious incident I want the operator making the ride safe, and calling the cavalry. I don't want them dashing off gallantly trying to save people before the scene has been made safe... it just has a habit of producing more casualties.

Clive Palmer. Making Dreamworld Great Again. could be worse i guess.

That's right, which is why in the absence of the other benefits now removed, the $5 loss they take on TG membership should be a given to the membership tier just as it is the one pass. In giving me a membership, they'd get at least an hour's bay hired, a few drinks, and probably some food. But i'd feel good, because i've got a permanent membership to the facility - which is only going to make me come back to use it more. If I wasn't aware that one-pass holders got it free, i'd probably pay my $5 and drive away, but now i know that someone paying roughly the same as me for roughly the same pass is now getting something better than what i'm getting, and despite the 'premium' nature and the 'unlimited' wording on the pass, it seems there are far more limitations on my pass than someone else's. that causes resentment. and people who feel resentment are more likely to avoid the facility or venue out of spite. Its a simple thing for revenue, but they probably think by not offering it on a membership they'll convince people to convert to the one pass because of all the great additional benefits. unfortunately the pay by the month trumps most benefits offered, and therefore offers like this only increase the resentment at being treated poorly Except this offer is literally for a renewal of the one-pass... so it involves no shopping around - simply repurchasing what you've already got - which is exactly what memberships do every month.l

It's an opinion piece, which is why it differs from their usual reporting. Its a shame, but i'd love to go and post links to all the GCB articles that are identical to the negative journalism the author refers to. Naturally, they report what will sell... which is why this cycle of 'love them \ hate them' will never end.