DaptoFunlandGuy

You're right. My mistake. I misread it - so Ekka was more expensive. its decent enough value then but still not sold. But i'm not a media?

But that's like being out the back of wild west, and looking at the 'mountain' which is just a shed.

$50 to enter the GC show? Ekka wasn't even that expensive. Does it include rides? (probs not). What a rip.

Evac speakers are usually loudhailer \ horn type speakers that don't have great quality, especially for music - very tinny... but I guess it'd be better than nothing. I'd given the example assuming the ride system couldn't be adapted in that way \ would cost too much to have wired \ reprogrammed. a few years after Demon was installed they added an auto-spieler, a simple push button to have the ride pre-load spiel played, although come to think of it they did use the existing station speakers. Of course if they can use the gear already there they should, provided it adds, not detracts, from the experience.

wouldn't be hard to retrofit a few speakers on the lift hill, rather than having on board audio systems. A simple IR beam across the base of the lift to trigger the audio playback, and have it timed perfectly to the lift chain speed... Imagine that Laugh booming out over the park? Superman isn't on-board audio, which is why it works. On board systems are a lot harder to get right, and keep working on an Aus budget.

You made a very fair and valid point and then followed up with a very generalised stereotype that I can't agree with. Many moons ago, in one of my very first jobs, I worked in a warehouse, and did my fork ticket. The 50 year old veteran was more gung ho, blase, and careless than I, the new, learner in my first job was. He constantly damaged product, and had it written off without a care in the world. Yes there are gung ho in the younger demographic, but as you say, its a generalisation, and there's exceptions on both sides - so your 'worth mentioning' isn't really worth it, when it all boils down. As for 'what they do when an incident occurs' - Ride operators have specific procedures to follow, regardless of their age. A typical response would be: E stop Call it in to command \ supervisor \ control Spiel to guests stuck on the ride to keep them calm wait for the cavalry. A license, or age requirement, isn't really going to change that much, if at all.

Yeah but let's be honest - it doesn't feel like it at Disney. You might queue for an hour, but the in-queue easter eggs, interactivity, interesting things to look at (and in many - air conditioning) makes the time go quickly (or at the very least you overlook the loading platform and can watch others go on \ come off it and laugh at reactions). Plus in many rides, because they're continuous load, the queue constantly moves, or moves in big jumps (eg: when they load the Mansion). Contrast that to our local parks - where operations are horrendous and seem to aim for the slow-speed records, where guests aren't grouped until after the train is parked, where queues are hot, bare walls (or not much anyway), where the queue stays still for 5 minutes at a time... THAT makes it seem like a long queue, and therefore a long day. You do feel tired after a day at Disney, but it really doesn't hit you until you are travelling back to your accommodation. (i know you know this, i'm just spelling it out for those who don't see the difference.)

In Australia, you're an adult at age 18. The parks do not have ride operators under the age of 18. Therefore, they already are adults. My argument, of which you quoted a part, was that a person behind the controls of a forklift could really do anything with it (depending on the size\capacity) - drop a shipping container on a crowd, drive it at high speed into a building support column. I'm sure we've all seen the videos of forklifts in warehouses accidentally taking out a pallet racking system resulting in the entire warehouse collapsing onto itself - potentially deadly to anyone inside. It's very different to a computer controlled ride that has clearance envelopes and operation limits that cannot be overridden. Yes, per the smiler accident, running something in maintenance \ manual mode and deliberately overriding safety systems is possible, but in general, most operators don't have that access, and require a maintenance override key, and few rides (other than coasters) make that sort of collision even possible. The carousel example is a perfect one - these proposed laws would see someone operating a carousel required to undergo the same licensing and regulation that the taipan or crazy coaster operators would need - yet there is far higher chance (x1000) of an incident on those coasters than there ever would be on a carousel. Its using a nuke to crack a walnut.

Join the Parkz Crew and you can change your name every six months.

Its a fairly long running joke that when you go to Perth you need to turn your watch back 2 hours and 10 years... It seems that 10 years was a conservative estimate, and it's more like 13. Seriously though - its a nice solid addition to a park that is already growing and making leaps from strength to strength. I still think they dropped the ball on hype and marketing, but they still did a better job with teasers than Movie World (although that isn't saying much). Hopefully this has just been a new team finding their feet and their next investment receives the airtime it deserves. Bring on "Mi4"...

With the right angle - perhaps turning a little to the right, you could probably get all four in...

It doesn't read well. I would view that as 'Rivals Hypercoaster' Nup - I'm calling it - the current version put out by the parks is the most appropriate. the "Shield" isn't part of the name, just a logo. I'm going to start a list of all the ridiculously miniscule things we've managed to discuss ad nauseum during construction... The grass growing Why they left the end caps on \ took them off the footings Whether its footing or footer The colour pink \ purple \ magenta \ fuschia \ other The price of lights in china Whether it is technically a hypercoaster based on metric or imperial When someone's rendering 'spot on' isn't actually 'spot on' What the four queue lanes are for Whether they could run 3 trains Whether they'll ever run more than 1 train Where is the guy in the park selling the dippin dots? Kool-Aid Arethesebitsforthecoasternothey'renotthey'refortopgolfohshitiforgottheywereevenbuildingthat!yeahmateitseasytoforgetaboutthismultimilliondollarfacilitywhenthey'rebuildingsuchanawesomecoasternextdoorhashtagwherearethetopgolfpics? is it higher than batwing? how high is batwing? what shade of purple is that? it isn't purple yes it is scooby is down for maintenance wrong topic dickhead where will the mazes go this year wrong topic dickhead will it be open for fright nights? When will it open? Is the TPSN opening date reliable? Pink the joker face should be animated the second train should face backwards is it still technically a loop? is it still technically an inversion? Is ToT a coaster? Worlds smallest microphone ...<have fun - insert your own>

I don't see the issue. Nobody says "WB Warner Bros." Is this DC DC Comics? Logo Shield is clearly not part of the name. This thread got broken off from the construction thread due to the divergence of topic - and here we are again!

Yeah - having now had the opportunity to read one of the articles on this - I take issue with this: Yes, a high risk work licence is requried to operate a forklift, because you are the person responsible for determining whether a load (which could be ANYTHING) is safely and properly secured, and whether it is safe to lift, travel with etc. You're also free to drive anywhere with the thing, and you could potentially slam into building pylons and supports, collapsing entire buildings. I've seen heaps of photos of forklifts lifting other devices (like a cherry picker \ man lift) to achieve more height to reach something and a whole bunch of other 'what the' moments. Contrast this to a ride, where a typical operator is required to ensure guests are restrained according to manufacturer's recommendations (and in many cases, the ride system will not allow a dispatch until they are), and they then press 'dispatch' or similar. Sure - more complex rides may need a bit more than that - but really - check seat belt, press green button is hardly comparable to that of a forklift operator.

We need a dippin dots react.

I didn't - as a matter of fact I specifically said differently: Well.... "Probably" "a few" doesn't really come across as stating fact. And whilst I recognise that most people would associate "a few" as meaning "three", the fact is that "in the scheme of things" when you're talking tens of millions of dollars, "a few extra thousand" isn't necessarily limited to three. Its semantics, but its semantic both ways. I wasn't categorically stating fact. I know how many people on these boards are Lx professionals. Do you think i'd be that stupid as to just speak out of my arse without qualifying what I say when I know full well that industry professionals are going to read and respond to it within hours? And when you then take that knowledge \ awareness, and re-read my comments bearing that in mind, its not impossible to see what I said as speculative, rather than authoritative. Clearly, you didn't take it that way, but that's how it was intended... so, happy to agree to disagree and move on mate...

Yes, but increased government regulation and oversight - sometimes tends to go too far in one direction over an abundance of caution. Like - say they have to strip it down to component level, but the inspector must PHYSICALLY see the parts laid out in the maintenance bay as proof it was stripped down completely - and then the regular guy is sick that week, so it gets postponed until next week when the other guy is on, but he gets flat tyre on the way there, so they have to fly in an inspector from another region, but it takes 4 days to organise because they couldn't get him a hotel room consummate with his paygrade, and by then the sick guy is well, but he's 3 weeks behind, so he drops in after work to sign it off, but the maintenance guys left at 3 and someone took the key to the maintenance bay home, so nobody can open it up for him and... What? It's government, and it's regulation. Don't think for a moment that everything I said above couldn't happen - it probably already has.

They've already run 2 wires out there for the plain white. Another two core run has the cabling sorted. Voltage drop would already have been accounted for in the first run, and if it were run at the same time, there'd have been no extra labour cost to run it out. The lights already installed would meet the specifications you refer to. I gave a 25% uplift to that, based on my own experience. Granted, my experience isn't commercial grade product, but most fixtures i've seen (chinese, or commercial product) that have a white or RGB option, there isn't more than about a 25% difference in price on them. The controller is the only wildcard element on costing - and i'm happy to defer to your superior knowledge on this. I know how much a controller would cost that would do the job, but obviously commercial grade, IP rating, and just lifespan will bump that up. Regardless, for something that's in the MILLIONS, what's an extra $20,000 all said and done? (They probably paid that much for the rakes). It's a theme park forum. Not a Lx forum. I'm not professing or claiming to be a lighting expert. I've taken what knowledge I have and extrapolated it out into what I see as a realistic scenario that I would have liked to have seen as an alternative to what's been done. You've picked up some shortfalls in my knowledge, and helpfully corrected those shortfalls with facts in a totally helpful and friendly way, and i've learned a little something. To the vast majority of the boards, they probably haven't a clue what goes into it - so maybe they've learned something too... but since very few people here design \ build roller coasters and theme park rides - we're pretty much all Armchair Experts in one way or another.

I really hate marketing like that. From Just $2! Adults $4,750.33 Children $2,375.16 One legged guys named Pete $2 Shits me up the wall.

Dude.... too soon.

I agree with the spirit of this, but the practicality of it is that rides at our favourite parks will need to go down for a longer maintenance period each and every year. The calendar is already quite full, and it is noticeable, especially at Sea World and Movie World, when you've got one or more majors out of commission.

Although they'd clearly make a shit-tonne of money offering fast track, I would like to hope the park cares enough about their regular guests that for the first few weeks or so, they wouldn't allow fast track on Rivals. Hopefully someone in management realises that a couple extra hundred isn't worth the thousands of disgruntled guests who are somewhat disappointed that their admission didn't get them a ride because others who paid more were rapid cycling.

Wait until your kids cotton on to the reason for the mood lighting. #scarredforlife

I was thinking a 4 wire 'dumb' RGB supply. Node upgrade would be an extra 25% or so on fixture cost. Control cabling is only going to add hundreds, not thousands to the cost, and a controller. if they've run 12\24v supply to each post, then the 'field' issue for the controllers wouldn't be too difficult to resolve. In the scheme of things, we're probably talking a few extra thousand. It's just a 'i wish they had have...' thought rather than a 'they should have... because they could have...' if that makes sense. Hopefully, absent the ability to change colours, they've thought about dressing the pillars up a little for the events... perhaps with different lighting, rather than permanent colour changers.