DaptoFunlandGuy

This project looks like it's hitting a few hurdles... http://www.commercialrealestate.com.au/news/chinese-disneyland-to-continue-despite-10m-payment-problem-says-council/

No Main Street USA No Space Mountain No Railroad No Haunted Mansion No Western area Generic castle As I said, a lot of things that are so typically 'Disney'Land (world) are missing from this park. There's a whole bunch of new stuff, which are quite unknown. It could be a very good (different) take on Disney parks - something different for them which could then branch out to the other parks too... but until it opens, i'll retain my mixed feelings.

Why? A very popular conversation here recently has been what Movieworld needs to do to fix it's issues with large crowds and long queues... Being the biggest summer attraction in Sydney, why shouldn't that issue be newsworthy? Certainly more newsworthy than some of the tripe the GC Bulletin comes out with....

Personally, i think Dirty Harry's needs more theming... and you need to be able to walk through the kitchen... they also need to blackout those windows. Drinks are always served at the time of ordering. that's so you finish it before your meal is served, and order another one to wash down the meal. it's called making money. It's why places like Lone Star serve you free peanuts, or free corn chips - they're salty, and they make you thirsty, so you drink more. Quite frankly, if you expected that your drink would be served at the same time as your meal, you should have gone to McDonald's.

Wait... @Ashley is a chick? LOL http://www.parkz.com.au/forums/profile/29898-ashley/

I'm so tempted to make that topic now...

This has been my point all along. We were judging pre-shows as a standalone. That was my interpretation of Push's post. I repeated that interpretation several times, but as I said a day or two ago - i think we were debating different things - this makes it clear that we were. I'm not holding BATR or LTRR on a pedestal. All three rides did die a slow death. I totally agree. Yes, BT's plot twist was awesome - the reveal was well thought out and well set up, but it didn't kill the ride if you didn't understand it - the rest of the ride was still very cool and very detailed... I guess the same could be said for BATR and LTRR - the only difference is there wasn't an easy way for the park to skip the pre-show scenes with both of those rides having elaborate sets across several rooms, whereas with BT it was easy enough to just leave the doors open and have the video on a loop - it didn't require an actor to take part in the show, whereas LTRR and BATR did - and I think that the continued pre-show usage for those two is what makes it appear (perhaps with rose coloured glasses) that they continued to remain 'original' for longer. Could the park realistically have thrown open the doors on LTRR, allowing guests to walk through to the dock without stopping? #Shudder - probably. As for BATR - I only have vague recollections of BATR1 from a 1994 visit, and by the time I came back it was BATR2. I'm sure those who remember both vividly have a passionate dislike for number 2, but anyone who never saw 1, or doesn't remember it would still view 2 as a solid attraction - nothing appeared out of place with the change to the storyline if you were ignorant to the first. All of that said, I 100% agree with you that a Mad Mike performance wins hands down. As a matter of fact - it doesn't even have to be a PASS pre-show to win. Any street performance of his will do.

LOL. My post was only in response to the comment ' they've closed a pile, but haven't opened a lot ' the statement is a bit of a stretch. The words aren't well defined, but in my mind, the word 'pile' in terms of quantity comes in somewhere just short of 'loads'. Saying the park has gone "a little over the top closing rides" as well as "closing a pile, but not opening a lot" isn't accurate - the park has hardly gone over the top closing rides when by your own post - almost everything closed has been replaced with something new. If we're going to count Pirate Ship and Thrillseeker, we're going to be here a while. I'm not saying the park hasn't declined, in fact my comment immediately after 'blinders' was that I agreed the park wasn't what it used to be, and needed more.

I have mixed feelings. Too much of what made a Disney park 'Disney' is missing. I get that China is a big market. its silly not to try and tap into it... but i'm not so sure that it will 'feel' the same... time will tell.

i may just be imagining real hard - but to me it looks like another ring under the 'D' - could just be the digital noise though...

Closed on 26 January? Big fuck you to anyone who is taking an extended holiday break at the resort over Australia Day... Couldn't they have chosen just one day later when kids all go back to school? Yes - over the top because they closed three rides, one of which has been closed for near on 10 years. (You also missed Bermuda and the old waterpark area). Ignore the fact that over that period they've also built: Jet Rescue Battle Boats Storm Coaster High Ropes Kids jungle gym thing Mammoth Falls Several modifications to the childrens area several animal exhibits I think you're wearing blinders Kiddo. Look - I agree the park isn't quite what it used to be, but the park has used a lot of it's available land to build very large immersive animal habitats. I believe the park needs a few more rides to round out the day (which by the sound of things a new one is planned), but I would not be disappointed for the park to be more zoo, less amusement park.

Perhaps then we could change the thread title to something a bit more accurate?

Yeah, and we don't take those sites seriously either. It's still just survey monkey. it's not Orima or Roy Morgan. If it's even a remotely serious company - they aren't gonna use Survey Monkey. I'll believe it when they're using a company that actually does market research for a living (and generally proof reads their shit before posting it) If this is just for a school project or something - just be honest about it - you're more likely to get people willing to help you out if they know the truth. edit: i'm also wondering if the mods can check out his IP against the other instigators. Also - And any truly serious proposal here would be specifying the mid north coast of what in the title. the internet is a bit bigger than just one coast...

Well it depends on what you consider heyday (as clearly per webslave's comment below) we've all got different opinions. What I can tell you is that all three descriptions i've given are all from around 2004 or later. Given BT was constructed several years AFTER BATR and LTRR, if it wasn't in it's heyday, but the others 'still were' it doesn't say a lot for the quality of the build does it? Yes, i've experienced the ride with uniforms, in character etc - probably would have been 2004 at the earliest Granted the ride at that stage was over 7 years old, so not sure. I found the attraction as a whole to be great. I'm not saying it was a BAD pre-show, and the story introduced was definitely necessary for the overall ride, BUT my point is simply that it wasn't THE BEST one on the coast. After you'd seen BT's video, nothing would change - there was no interaction with the guests, and the story imparted could just as easily have been done on the back of a business card that you could read in the queue. The others (as mentioned) couldn't be replaced as easily. Have to ask @webslave - do you mean the ride elevator in the middle of the waterfall, or are you talking about the 'Earth Drill' ? The earth drill never moved - it was just a bouncy floor with two doors. See - THIS - THIS is what is worth crying about. not the lack of a dark ride or the replacement of a ride that clearly by all accounts was no longer in it's heyday. #GettingOnInYears

I disagree with your interpretation of his point. the two sentences are clearly separate and stand alone. I absolutely agree the preshow contributed to the whole, but i wouldn't say contributed to the whole better than the others. That said, I have in fact (at least once) on quiet days been on BT when there was no pre-show attendant. The video ran on a loop, doors at both ends were open, and people just went up and over. I have to say i've never experienced that on either BATR or LTRR. I mean no disrespect to the ride. It was fantastic, and easily the closest we ever got to 'disney' quality in an attraction (until budget cuts and other development degraded it). For me it's a big thing about Sea World - the first time I went to SW, it was under construction, and I didn't return to the coast for many years - so I frequently wondered about what it would be like before I finally got a chance to ride... I just don't see that the pre-show was anything special. It set the scene and the theme, it did it succintly and it made its point. Yes it was a bit silly, a bit camp, but overall it was just a video, on a screen, in a dark room that was (thankfully air conditioned and) themed statically, but very well. The same video could have been played in an empty room and achieved the same result. However, you've made your point, and i'm pretty sure i've made mine. I'm pretty sure we're not actually debating the same issue... but there is no sense beating a dead horse, so i'll leave it at that.

wasn't too hard to find - that there is a Zierer ESC out of New Jersey called Crossbow. it's about 10 years old. http://rcdb.com/3510.htm http://www.rides4u.com/view/2041 http://www.coastergallery.com/2009/Bowcraft06.html

@skeetafly - i'm just mindful not everyone enjoys reading really long posts. those who want to - can. those who don't can scroll on by. @Richard I absolutely agree with you that Bermuda as a whole was the best story \ theme \ ride combo we had, as you say... my comments however were directed only at the pre-show itself. The statement was the pre-show was the best (he had seen). My statements were to ask if he had seen LTRR, which (granted IMO) had a much better preshow for the reasons i mentioned, and again, BATR, which, (granted IMO) was also a far better preshow than BT for the reasons mentioned. Overall BT as a package was far better than LTRR or BATR, but if you look at pre-show in isolation (which is what Push's comment referred to), I don't think anyone could say BT's pre-show was the best on the coast.

Seriously? They hustled you into a tin shed with extensive "crap screwed to the wall" (which admittedly was very well themed) and played a video to you on a screen... THAT is the best pre-show you've seen on the gold coast? :puke: You must have missed the elaborately themed pre-show for Looney Tunes River Ride... Ok, but surely if you missed LTRR, you didn't miss Batman Adventure - The Ride... No? Ok - well clearly you have seen the Shrek pre-show. I mean seriously - animatronic Pinocchio and 3 little pigs, with inbuilt video screens showing their faces, crowd participation ( "A Flogging! ooooOOOOOooooooo!"), well known characters both in voice and on screen (not to mention the effort of animation). Even this little pre-show to a 4D movie, in my opinion, is still better than the Bermuda preshow, which was literally just a couple of actors in costume on screen, with no automation, animatronic, interaction, participation... I mean - Bermuda could literally have been replaced with this: Although I must admit - your claim is just about on par with all the other statements and claims you make - so i'll just chalk it up to 'just another crazy wacky push statement to gloss over....'

Cheaper solution

I know it's just an arbitrary number for argument's sake - but given most fastpass 'return times' are at least 45-60 minutes away, you're not getting 10 rides in a 7 hour operating day... but i get your point. Fact is though - in a 'classic' Disney fastpass system - everyone has that opportunity - nobody is disadvantaged by the 100 virtual riders in front of them, because they can also be one of those 100 virtual riders in front of others. Everyone is on a level playing field. See, I view the 'classic' Disney fastpass system as a level playing field, and a way for you to ensure you definitely get on that one (or 4) rides you really wanted to make sure you got on this trip. Everyone has favourites... and everyone's favourites are different. I like Space Mountain - so i'm not going to use my fastpass on Indiana Jones. Here's a scenario (and this actually happened to me) to show why classic fastpass is good. I had precisely 1.5 days to spend in California Adventure last time i was there. It was my wife's first time, and Radiator Springs Racers was brand new. (spoilerised for those who don't want the whole story) This is the merit in the system. There are rides in both DCA and DL we didn't do on that trip. they were ones we weren't really fussed on... but my very long winded point is simply that a free for all system is fine as everyone has equal opportunity to take advantage, and therefore nobody is disadvantaged. Passes that just allow people to skip the queue constantly are very poor form, as are the systems that require you to book 6 months in advance in order to get a spot on the FP queue are just ridiculous.As for pre-shows - i'm with you Skeet - if a ride had three queues, and you were periodically moving from one queue to the next - you feel like you're getting somewhere.

FOR THE LAST BLEEDING TIME IT IS NOT A BLOODY DARK RIDE. WE HAVE CONFIRMATION IT IS A ROLLER COASTER. You're not getting a bloody dark ride, and even if you were, you cannot expect to hold MW to the same standard as Universal given the budgets involved.

If you're going to the effort of doing DisneySea, you need to give time over to TDL as well. It's on my to do list, but i'm assuming, like any Disney park - you should allow at least 1.5 days per park to do it properly.

Too complicated IMO - you'd have bottlenecks at the scanner where people who didn't understand the system, or just wanted to beat it, would attempt to reride at that line all the time. If you're going that far - just put a (original) Disney fastpass system in. One 'fastpass' at a time, for whatever ride you like, and your return time is subjected to current queue wait times. As soon as the system reaches capacity for the day, cut it off.

if you look at it VERY closely, under the word 'is' there is a small metal ring that you could hook another sign to. I can't see one on the other side but it could be lost in the background. Anyone going into the park in the next few days - get a shot of that sign from a different angle!

I know we can click the topic headline, but don't we normally get a 'click here to continue reading' ? And is the park that pathetic that a brand new, only month old sign is already not being used as intended? What is today's grill? One of the worst things for me about HWSD is that the holes for the 'flying Evo' are still clearly visible on both sides of the building, completely ruining the facades. All we can do is hope and pray that the new developments will not take place in the already cluttered front apron of the park and instead utilise the severely neglected western end of the park.