I was wondering,after the vertical loop,as the train climbs the second lift hill,does it really need the lift chain?I mean, doesn't the train have enough momentum to travel far enough up the hill to give enough speed on the descent to travel through the last 3 inversions.

If the lift chain was not there the train would get stuck either at the bottom of the loop or between the loop and the boomerang. As an ex-operator of Demon I had several experiences with the chain failing in several different ways, the most common being that the dog (the bit under the train that latches onto the chain) would break. The train would then roll down the lift and stop in the brakes at the bottom, because the e-stop was pressed. "The Bus is now leaving for Demon Hill Paddock, Northern Territory"

Really?I thought the train would have gathered enough speed to make it through the inversions.It would be much better if they made the first hill high enough to stop that having to happen;it would give a much smoother ride.

They can only make the train go so fast otherwise it would be going too fast for the inversions. Did you ever notice the two cylinders on lift 2? As the train gets to lift 2 those cylinders are about halfway up the train and when the train releases they are at the back of the train. The train obviously needs the same amount of momentum to go backwards as it does to go forwards. "The Bus is now leaving for Cylinder Head Point, NSW"

Nah I like the suspence of when your at the chain waiting then you hear hyrdaulics then aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

"hydraulics". All that needs doing now is by you hitting the edit button and copying this version of hyrdaulics in replacement of yours.

Sorry I've been spending to much time with newzealander.

Ohhh nice one Matt, that was gold. I thought that he was only banned for two weeks, but he hasn't been around since Daniel disappeared? Maybe it's the missing link behind where Daniel is being held captive?

He says he dosn't come back because he dosn't like richard.

I told you that over beers the other night didn't I mate? Yeah sure did... Where did you pull that from you friggin plonker? I have never met him in my life and am not likely to either so how did you come to that conclusion you brain dead imbecile? As for my whereabouts, "I have such a hectic lifestyle and don't have time". Or so our pineapple of a mate from Parramatta tells us... I've just been keeping you all in suspense. In all seriousness I have been a little busy of late though with getting arrested in friggin Boxhead land and all. Dirty bastards they are. Haven't had the time to check the forum really and why would I bother posting with the absolute rubbish that's been on here lately! I missed you you pack of dolts! I know you love me Slick!

Yay his back. Is that a good thing.

I'd assume not Arnold you bonehead. THEME-PARK.I8.COM where in the forums theme parks meet spam and bad spelling... I think that's here.

Im guessing we picked up this idea from Roller Coaster Tycoon, because I often wondered the same thing. I mean, if it can do it on RCT, then surely it doesnt need a lift hill to go back round Nah, makes sense, but It does seem odd to have it there I guess...

RCT - i believe you're talking about the shuttle version coaster it has ready-made? i think going by what i remember of the game, the shuttle uses LIM or some other high speed propulsion, whereas demon uses only gravity. You've got to remember that (excluding the ups and downs) demon is in a constant state of slowing down the moment it leaves lift 1. it makes it halfway up lift 2 after performing a full circuit, and it comes to a complete stop before going back the other way. so it has half the time to gain speed again as it drops backwards... it wouldnt make it through the first loop without being lifted higher up lift 2 for the run back.

No, what we meant from RCT is the way shuttle coasters worked in there, the train would get pulled backward like demon and released, but there would be no second lift, it would just use the energy from the first incline to give it enough energy to do the circut backwards again, which meant a big first lift, but RCTs pysics engine, while sort of accurate, it did have some problems with accuracy, the main culprit was g forces.

There are also hight, angle and the scale of the invertions that also make it do that on Rct2.

Yeah, I didnt mean the launched shuttle coaster, if thats what your referring to Alex-B, Im just talking about what they called 'A reverse Incline Corksrew coaster). Commonly known as the Cobra on RCT2. and yeah, the way the physics worked on the RCT games was pretty lousy compared to Hyper Rails and what not.

Incase you guys didn't know, rct is a game and anything can happen in a game.

Hang on, its a game? Your kidding!! Well der, next you'll be telling us the Earth is round, the sky is blue and Final Destination is a crap film.

I actually didnt mind the first Final Destination movie.

The earth is round, the sky is blue and Final Destination is crap! There joz, happy? I said it! And what the hell does movies have to do with the Demon lift hill??? Of course rct is a game! I'm not stupid!

Let me see here, the question was does Demon need the second lift to complete the circuit. After the question was answered, it was noted that in RCT it does, and it was mused that the idea probably came from that game. The consensus from there was that RCT isn't all that accurate. Then you jump in and say RCT is a game. Well done Einstein. You saved us all from thinking RCT is reality. Ok, so we all knew its a game. It was a kinda dumb thing to say, so I made fun of you, while throwing in that FD sucks (It does, that chick getting hit by the bus was the only thing that film had going for it). Ok, so from this conversation we've discovered that Demon needs a second lift, RCT physics aren't accurate, RCT is a game, and that your (apparently) not stupid. Move along.

I'd also like to add that the Demon was quite a noisy little roller coaster when it came through the station. Not that loud noise is bad.

Come to Dreamworld, then you'll understand the definition of noise mate.

Demon was extremely noising, so noisy in fact that it caused 35-40% hearing loss in one operator and saw the introduction of ear plugs as standard PPE for operators. Demon was far noisier to the operator then any other coaster in Australia due to the fact that it came through the station at about 70 clicks with 28 people screaming their heads off and about 50 people in the queue doing the same thing. "The Bus is now leaving for Cottesloe School Of Impaired Hearing, Western Australia"