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All coasters are available. You sign the deal, spend the money and get a delivery date. They would have announced a purchase, you just wouldnt be getting it so soon. Thats the only element of luck, that they could get one on such short delivery. Capex had to have already been approved for a spend to even look at buying more rides. This money is generated/planned for years in advance, It isnt an overnight process, especially given the feeling ardent dont want to spend money. This means a plan was already in place and they were putting together funding for these capital investments when they got lucky with the coaster. You talk about it like it was available so it was an automatic purchase without any prior planning. Why would they go and drop 20 million+ on a coaster if they werent already planning a large capital spend? Its not a small step. Were they planning on spending as much? Who knows. The option to buy a world class ride when faced with closures of more rides could have added more to the budget. But even if the initial spend was only intended to be half the purchase price of the coaster, they still had to approve the coaster purchase. Where does it say they had to buy it? If past actions are to go by, they could have passed on the opportunity and continued with killing the park. How is that luck and not down to the management team and board? On top of the coaster purchase they approved more spending elsewhere in the park. Doesnt that show some action? Isnt it the opposite of what weve seen from ardent, even before the accident? If you look at things objectively like tim posted, seems like a plan is in place to do something other than just stick their heads in the sand. You might pick faults at it, want money spent elsewhere, but it wasnt long ago they were doing nothing and everyone was screaming for them to do SOMETHING. Tough crowd. Wrong again on the kids. At 2 she might have been tall enough (bullshit) to ride a coaster, and she might have been brave enough, but she is in the minority. Theres plenty of tweeners too scared to go on thrill rides. Parks like movieworld have virtually nothing between young kids and teenagers. Its why they are slaughtered by dreamworld. Road runner is basically it, as noise, darkness, speed is still way too much for some kids to ride scooby doo and a sbf hopper is hardly a thrill is it? Ohh how quickly people forget that movieworld were lucky to escape killing guests on the ride AND on the ground with the green lantern accident though. Want to talk luck? THAT was luck. It could have been an even greater and more public disaster than the dream world incident, sparked the same industry changes and the dreamwold incident might never have happend. I see your point though, but vrtp get away with some absolutely shit decisions people villify dreamworld for having done, and get away with it largely scott free. It's like all you need to do is dangle a big shiny thing in front of us to deflect the focus from all the things wrong with their business and people lap it up. Look how many pages were devoted to the delays and the ineptitude of the park surrounding sky voyager? Seaworld are well behind and people were intially making excuses for them, forgiving them for things being out of their control with weather and construction company issues. Even now people joke about their delays more than they reach for their pitchforks. Thats all i was meaning when theres a bit of a double standard here.

For what it's worth, senior management at VRTP reached out to me many months ago when it became apparent that there'd be delays at Sea World and brought me in on the nature of these delays off the record. By the same token I've not had any communication from Dreamworld while public statements surrounding the past year's closures and delays are a shifting narrative riddled with inconsistencies and omissions. Speaking only for the editorial position of Parkz, we can either be on the outside looking in or the inside looking out.

How is it luck to be actively looking to replace a ride with a coaster and have one drop in your lap? YES, It's a portion of luck that one was available so easily. It isn't luck in EVEN THE SLIGHTEST that they were actively searching to replace a ride though. That's all on them, park management and the ardent board, you know, the ones who have final say on capital purchases? You can argue they got it easy, they got it cheaply, etc, but they already had to have money put aside with the desire to put into a ride purchase before they even committed to looking. Im with Jdude95. The first time it seems like the park is trying to be proactive and claw back some of their apparent mistakes, they are crucified on here because not enough is being done. In what? 2-3 months? hell, even 6 months. How much do you expect to be achieved in a short period of time? The fact they are coming out with these reports shows that capital has been assigned, and yes, I will admit I'm a sceptic until we actually see signs of delivery, but surely this has to be a step in the direction. Not too long ago people were begging the park for any announcement at all that was positive, that made it seem like someone cared at all. Hell, prior to the accident people were saying ardent (and the park) had no long term goal for dreamworld and were just floundering. These announcements seem like a pretty good plan for the next 5+ years of developments at the park. Certainly gives them something to build on to turn 5 years into 10 years. Maybe people could just stop shitting on them for just a moment until they've had a chance to fuck it all up again. That's where you are wrong. They knock it out of the park for kids, better than seaworld and miles ahead of movieworlds offering. You don't want to take a step back from something you are doing a great job at, you want to maintain it, better it if you can and build up the rest of your developments. It's honestly the first time in awhile that either group, vrtp or ardent haven't shown such a narrow focus to their future plans/spending. Movieworld got a hypercoaster, while the rest of the park is suffering visually. They put in an excellent family precinct that has largely been allowed to rot, because, you know, who needs upkeep? what are standards? They are still single minded, focusing on attractions while the rest of their parks are screaming out for a collection of smaller spends to bring facilities and park appearance up to standard. Remember 5 years ago people were laughing that it was such a big deal they were finally replacing toilet blocks? How far did that progress? Extra bathrooms? Why the hell they haven't been crucified to the same extent that dreamworld are held to task because of their poor commitments to announcements, I don't understand it.

i just thought I should say I actually find it disgusting that whenever there’s a conversation about dreamworld, no matter what it is, you bring up the accident that caused the fatalities of 4 people. yes there was an accident, yes it was dreamworlds fault, we have known this for the past 4 years and I don’t understand why you have to keep bringing this up in decision all the time.

I’d disagree that Sky Voyager isn’t bringing people back. It’s one of those rides where the popularity is rising as word of mouth gets around. Sure it’s no major spike in attendance, but as time goes on, the park and attraction is getting busier and busier, and so it should, it’s a fantastic attraction we are lucky to have on our shores. Same thing happened with Soarin. A hard attraction to market, but with word of mouth, the attraction gained popularity and continues to remain a guest favourite. Now back to your regular programming..

Because its pretty evident in all his replies related to dreamworld he would rather see the place burnt to the ground just so he could piss on the ashes and tell everybody about it, than give them even the slightest chance to turn the park around.

They got a bulk discount from the signmaker: - "Opening Boxing Day" - "Opening this Summer" - "Opening Soon" - "Opening Easter" - "Opening this Winter"

Skeet... Do you understand that spending money on new rides and attractions, along with within your park is a plan, requires planning, and is an action? No? Planning Spending money Building rides All things weve complained about dreamworld not doing, showing no signs of doing, and going backwards so fast its like nobody was running the ship. And none of their plans included actually doing something. Certainly not a new megacoaster. They arent placing all bets on a coaster. You just finished bagged them for daring to plan other things with the park. Youre everything I said is wrong with vrtp, focused purely on attractions while everything around you suffers. Yes, and those kinds of decisions is what they were crucified over and what they are trying to counteract. Can you not see this is something positive instead of just focusing on the negatives of the past? Ive been to seaworld and dreamworld in the past month with Mr 3 and Ms 6. I didnt say seaworld were bad, I said dreamworld has a leading kids area that is better than seaworld (it is), and miles better than anything movieworld offers. You were the one actually suggesting that dreamworld was so good it didnt need money spent there, while I differed and said thats exactly why it needs a spend, to keep it up to that standard as its one part of the park they are getting right. Blame them for poor maintenance and upkeep in the past, then blame them for being proactive. You cant have it both ways.

Good to hear all the rides are open then

I understand that not everyone will agree with me but I also understand that it takes more than 1 month to undo over 10 years of shitty management and no investments. I'll probably die on this hill and I don't even mind. Also, I for one, welcome our new chute overlords. It would be a hell of a lot better than Surfrider... My arguments have been that the reaction to this has been a bit over the top in some cases and that the new management team is doing what they can with what they have been given. I'd imagine it would also probably be hard to finalise a 10 year+ plan when you've got the results of an inquest looming, yet to be delivered at an unknown date. I feel like once that is past and there's less unknowns (now that we at least have the date for the findings) is when we will be able to tell how much they are actually looking to the future. If we see a lack of investment and future plan then we will definitely know that they don't know how to run a park, nor care about doing so and I will accept that. It'll be a bit of a kick in the teeth but I'd accept that I was wrong putting my faith in the new management team and park as a whole.

Prime for what though? Someone heavily into thrill rides would argue movieworld was never better following the opening of dc rivals. Someone that views experience and an entire day out would probably like the movieworld back with excellent shows, pre main street roof, parades that did more than just drive a loop through main street and the "classic" lineup of rides like looney tunes river ride, gremlins, studio tours, etc.

Incorrect, I drove a Ford once when my Holden was in the shop. Made me realise they are both equally shit

I think it’s better to compare 1994 sea world with 1987 Dreamworld and 1997 Movieworld. you don’t wanna know what month though...

I feel like there is a second sentence missing from your post.

You choose a great weekend to stay at the resort.

Green Lantern nearly killed people. The manufacturer got their engineering wrong, and MW didn't pick up on the fatigue during regular checking. RHRR was engineered/re-engineered wrong, and DM didn't identify/ignored the risks. And it did kill people. @Levithian has a preference for DM kids, you don't. There's your Holden v Ford similarity. People are entitled to their opinions, wrong or right. Unless it's TPR apparently (not on there). Let's not turn into the Australian version of that.

Both are as shit as each other. Green lantern was an attempted death trap.

@Jdude95I disagree with you on this particular thing (on the grounds that the writing has been on the wall for all these attractions for a long time and at the very least Wipeout would've been easy to replace in a short time frame). But I also get your point and where you're coming from, but it doesn't affect my time in the house that your opinion is different to mine. If you want to make the point that new management are doing the best with the shitty hand they were dealt, I think there's a conversation where some common ground may be found. But to say that the direction they're going in is good isn't backed up, and won't be till they open a new family ride, and a new coaster after they've finished building Blue Fire. For now them saying 'We're making the park better' is all talk even if they do make the place better in a few years. Again dont be sad people disagree with you. I've been saying for years that I think a shoot the chutes would be a good attraction for WnW. Exactly zero per cent of the people on this forum agree with me. That's ok, if people weren't allowed the have differing opinions from the mods we'd call the site Theme Parkz Review. We're just as opinionated as anyone though, and what's the point of a forum if it's just an endless circle jerk about how right we all always are?

Man, I do miss being able to have an opinion without it being wrong because not everyone agrees with it.

It’s not uncommon for a park to have one of these people. Wonderland had Kevin, Knotts Berry Farm has Richard and seems DW has Ben. These guys are usually a bit on the spectrum which seems the case here also, and the parks are their comfort place. It’s not really any different to someone that gets home each afternoon and plays fortnight, instead they go to the park.

Another one bites the dust: Log Ride joins Dreamworld's long list of recently closed rides The Log Ride joins Tower of Terror and Wipeout as the third major ride to close at Dreamworld in twelve months and one of many in recent years. Click here to continue reading

Granted Sky Voyager is a family ride and is Kinda a replacement for RHLR. (A bit of a stretch but did DW hold off it's retirement until SV was open?)

Forgot to post that the log ride has been taken off in-park maps.

Good point about a lack of investment in family rides.

Movie World is my Favourite because it has DC Rivals and Superman. WWF and JL i enjoye too....Im waiting to see how scooby turns out with its improvements.

True but it wasn't MW's fault.

Not sure if it’s been mentioned, but a billboard at the front of the park states it’s opening this Easter.

We’ll let this run its course but it’s a shit topic to be sure and when It descends into nonsense we’ll lock it.

Depends on what viewpoint you are looking at it from. Kids - DW Young Family - DW Teens - MW Adults - if you like coasters - MW, if you don’t then DW ill pick MW on my preference alone, but that’s now what my theme park visitation is based on

I expect HWSW to be themed to Ocean parade this time around

Totally, as proven by the new Polin waterslides that have just opened at the caravan park next door. As good as, if not better (or at least a bit more interesting) than Fully 6

Everything DW are doing is clearly luck. SV was going to Brisbane and coaster was going to China. Shading will never replace wipeout. DW & Hot wheels deal has clearly ended so DW have no choice but to re-theme. Watetslides are public pool grade. A few kid rides cost nothing for a big theme park. Out of all areas of the park that need a redo, ABC should be on the bottom of the list.

It's all talk and little action at this stage. How many times can you talk about removing a ride to replace it with new attractions with the latest technology, without actually taking that action, before it just looks like spin? Most of us know it's spin, and judging by comments on DW's social media, the GP is starting to realise that too

To be honest, it was a fairly boring and unappealing ride once the canopy was added and the caves were removed. It looks like Dreamworld are actually planning for the future though. The government is imposing pretty tough conditions on all ride operators after TRRR - and they're being particularly strict on Dreamworld. RHLR would likely have needed some major changes to bring it up to modern safety standards. Simply adding a lap bar or seat belt would have increased load times and reduced capacity. With the current seat layout, a log would only hold 2 people, with redesigned logs, they might hold 3. You would also need additional load staff to ensure that the bar/belt was secure before allowing a vehicle to depart the station. Wider or longer ride vehicles would require redesigning the entire flume - especially the transitions into the lift hills and possibly the incline of the drop before the splashdown. The ride was also likely increasing insurance costs simply because the age and design of the ride does significantly increase the risk of injury - even if it comes from riders not following instructions to remain seated. All of this costs money - possibly millions of dollars - all to save a fairly average log flume ride. That money would be better spend on a brand new water ride, built by a reputable manufacturer, with tried and tested vehicles and safety systems. I think the current decision makers at Dreamworld know this and are actually planning for the future. I think Dreamworld is in a great position to build a new log flume that isn't just long stretches of boring floating before a drop. I'd love to see them incorporate a story like the Looney Tunes River Ride or Bermuda Triangle had, but that might be outside their budget. There are some great flume designs out there now. Some have drop tracks, some have double downs on the final drop giving floater airtime, some have LSM launches... With a bit of imagination, and all of that space, Dreamworld could build something world-class to replace RHLR.

How dare they close a death trap, 2 rides not financially or logistically viable to continue operation and a 38 year old in-house designed ride!

Will ticket prices be reduced to factor in the reduction in attractions? 😁😂🤪

Cyclone 2: Electric Cowgaloo or 2 Side 2 Winder

#bringbackthecow

Coming this Easter: Cyclone - Next Gen 2.0 Return of the Turbine

You can just imagine the conversation at Dreamworld HQ: "Well guys, I'd like to continue developing new experiences for guests and take proactive steps to delivery a new generation of rides and all, but it's this log ride. The log ride is why I can't do anything."

To be honest it’s the better way to go. I’d rather that than be one of the guys who gets off at the last minute only to be hit by a stray wheel flying off Green Lantern when giving a tv interview outside the gates in the aftermath...

I do think realistically HWSW has no more than 5 or so years left in it, and once gone I’d love to see another coaster there. I think the best fit would be a Gerstlauer Infinity coaster, like Hangtime at Knotts. Would fit nicely in the footprint and a good fit aesthetically for both the parks skyline and the ocean parade theme - it’d be great to keep the WWW coaster/slide interaction too.

We bitch when the park doesn't listen to us on here but also refuse to actually approach the park services and raise the issue. Welcome to 2020

@Gazza if you look real close... ...nope never mind I hope this doesn’t just become a ride placed in this position and it doesn’t connect in with the theming of the area. The concept art I think looks really good. I would much rather they take their time and get it right, rather than rush things to just get it open

Now you're just making shit up. I've never said I want DW to fail.