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Well. I just want to re-emphasise this very cogent point. I don’t really have much to add. I just wanted to quote you here because I want your extreme levels of imbalance, immaturity and plain whack job nastiness to be preserved for all prosperity You sir have won the internet for me today. Thank you for actually making me laugh out loud after reading your reply. Classic. Now can we get back on topic? Cheers!!

Wonderland Eurasia ( as Anka Park opened as) failed not because of the ride choices. It failed due to a number of reasons- political unrest over the massive cost blowouts of the park ( reputed to have cost $750 million at conservative estimates), due to the unrest over this there was a change in political leadership which tried to reign in the costs before the park had even opened, poor construction values which left many attractions simply not available to be ready for opening day and lack of support from the local population against the cost of the project, when all most of them wanted was funds directed towards basic infrastructure like water and sewage than an overblown expensive theme park. Comparing this failure to a plan for a medium sized regional park in Australia is simply not like for like and quite silly to even begin to go down tht route. Here is an example of your inconsistency. Here you are claiming that the ride choices in the hypotheticals are not name brands. In other words, manufacturers that people have heard of. Or rides that other parks would purchase. Yes? However, several posters (including myself) have already pointed out to you that the manufacturers selected are indeed well known and are very succesful in the industry. Yes the coasters selected are not top tier, but that was deliberate and explained in the original post. All of these rides, especially the flat rides selected, have multiple installations across the world in many and varied amusement/theme parks across the globe. Again , something that simply cannot be refuted. And yet here you are trying to defend your previous assertion. Once again this is not fact but your own opinion. An opinion that I happend to believe is wrong. And I am not alone in that feeling. I am really not sure what you are trying to say here. Its very convoluted and smacks of backpedaling. I think you need to have a bex and a lie down, to be honest. Especially at your age. Once again. If you had prefaced your post with an "in my opinion" and toned down the arrogance a notch , then we wouldnt be having an issue. I explained that the coasters chosen WERE not from Top Tier manufacturers for a reason. Everyone seemed to be able to absorb that fact and accept it. And I refute your opinions that the coasters are terrible choices. Yes they are not RMC or B&M's. Deliberate and stated in the discussion. Whats your problem with the new Vekoma Inverts? By all accounts they are excellent rides and would form the centrepiece and signature ride of the park. If it opened tomorrow, it would immediately become a top tier coaster for Australia. The Zamperla Lightning has had its issues, I accept that. By all accounts they can be rough. Opinion is mixed on these. However, they are a good layout ( you as much admitted that ) and the new gen trains should make the experience a far better one. It would still be a compelling coaster for the Australian market if installed. There have been several installtions of this type in parks around the world, so its hard to call the model a failure. Similarly , the Zamperla Motocoaster also has several installations around the world. Yes , once again , its not the most well regarded coaster model out there, but it does have its fans and it offers a launch coaster that families can all ride at an economical price. The general public I think would find this a fun coaster. The P&B is selected as family coaster. Nothing more. Its interest lies in the fact that it is a moebius duelling coaster and the install that has been placed at the park in Italy looks great. The Technical Park water coaster I selected as the park needed a water flume ride and this was different than just a bog standard log flume. The example shown has excellent theming and is located in a smaller regional park in Italy , very similar in scope to what its purpose would be here. The Zierer ESC have proven very successful and are excellent mid sized family coasters. @Noxegon has already attested to their excellent rideability and his opinion is far more respected and definitely one I would put above yours. Once again, I think that these rides present well. Ha yeah I only included it as it looked interesting . Fair call lets remove this one from the list! The Cance Hyper GTX does look like a good ride and by all accounts it has a lot of fans amongst enthusiasts. I had toyed with the idea of selecting this and I will give you this one. My only concern is that it has been available for a number of years and in all that time, only ONE park has selected it for an install. Thats despite it getting excellent reviews. For my hypothetical situation,lets select this one instead of the Reverchon Drifting Coaster. In regards to the flat rides I selected ( of which you only had criticism, sweeping statements and no real constructive feedback, they are my personal choices on what I would select if i had the decision. I have selected them deliberately and in my mind they offer an excellent balance of thrills, family rideability and enough uniqueness in the Australian theme park landscape as to make the HVG a sought after destination for these rides. Happy to hear other ideas from anyone but to say they are crap without any real analysis or expansive thinking just highlights the arrogance you came swinging in with. To this end I stand by my choices. Your opinion. Nothing more. The rudeness , as has been amply pointed out by several respected posters in this thread, started when you entered the conversation. I have been measured and calm in my response as I do not believe in histronics on a forum board. You say you are nearly 50, however your responses so far have been at the maturity level of someone far below that lofty age claim. I am no giddy , unexperienced 16 year old , nor am I as old as you , however I recognise arrogance and rudeness when it is presented and I will not let it go without calling it out. If you wish to dial back the arrogance, the sweeping statements and the overall shitposting, then I am happy to interact with you on the boards, as I am with anyone. I feel you do have good knowledge and some great life experiences to relate if only you could access more social ettiquette. Amen to that! So if we replaced the Reverchon Drifting Coaster with a Chance Hyper GTX this would then give the HVG a total of 7 coasters (admittedly not Top Tier) but would give it arguably behind Movie World the best 3, 2 1 coaster punch in all of Australia currently. The Vekoma Invert is a class attraction followed by an enthusiast favourite in the Chance Hyper GTX and the Zamperla Lightning with the next gen trains. The other coasters provide a good backup to these 3 coasters, arguably the best supporting coaster lineup in Australia currently. If the HVG was to open this park with this hypothetical coaster and flat ride lineup, would this be enough for any of you to immediately want to come and visit it? Curious to see if this would be a compelling park line up as to make Australian want to travel to visit it?

Looking closely at the photos I took earlier today and a few things to point out There’s still a couple more snake spine pieces to be installed. The seating is in the place. Looks like there will be grass laid to the back right to that seating. Hopefully they install some sheltering because it’s going to be very hot in the summer. Water fountain to the left? Lighting and speakers around the queue in place. Interested to hear what sounds they play in this area Theyve opted for rock through this path, so unfortunately no plants/trees. That’s disappointing. Themed bin at the back?

WHY WHY WHY! God just saw the cardboard and tape WWW effort before this. Like honestly, the CEO of Dreamworld has visited a lot of first rate parks in the world and knows what decent standards are. Why is soulless garbage like this going INTO the park instead of coming out. So damn sad!

It’s sorta trending that way. “Sorry kids, pools are too deep and dangerous - here’s a water pistol” 😂

Point out where this occurs for me. It doesn’t. Jobe put forward his ideas and you just shat on them I’m not a moderator. Only one - calling you an arrogant dick. Which I stand by. I don’t know, I’m not a moderator. meh. Apologise or not. I care little. But don’t say you’re going to then give reasons why you won’t. Given I know none of your Personal story (until now) to insinuate my comment was some slant on hardships you’ve suffered is stupid. yep.

Mate if you are going to post rubbish or opinions that contradict other posts you have made expect to be called out on it. If this is your reaction then its a really immature one, given your years. As for calling me a troll, well that couldnt be further from the truth. I have been on these boards for a long time, longer than you in fact and my reputation speaks for itself. I am happy to listen to anyones opinion and always treat it with respect unless it is just plain incorrect. Most posters get my respect straight away and there are others who have been here for some time and who I know are quite knowledgeable and can communicate easily without resorting to plain arrogance.You have already been called out by several of these respected posters quite eloquently so I think that the term troll really sits comfortably with you at this point in time. Happy to just leave it at that.

Yep, to me Bermuda was the perfect blend of Flume Ride and Dark Ride, where Storm isn't quite a full coaster or a full dark ride experience. It's the classic everything's replacement should be better than what it's replacing. If Storm went where the Battleboats are now it would have been better recieved by Enthusiasts I feel.

Luna Park confirmed to be reopening on October 22nd for Halloscream and then will have it's first day trade the next day on the 23rd. I'll be there opening weekend for sure, excited to try out 8 of the 9 new rides! https://events.bigtopsydney.com/event/halloscream-9-curse-of-the-coven-2021?fbclid=IwAR0Nd9faVI757KMIJDPr4LQouLID4I9ESR4rNEnlStFysMrg9mkv2U0A2iU

RMC, without question. If not, B&M hyper. I am happy with the single rail or the hybrids with RMC. Since I think a single rail is more realistic we'll go with that, and what I am hoping replaces AA at Movie World. Just the standard model like RailBlazer, WW and Stunt Pilot. The very back row is so insane it can't even be explained, honestly. Right now I will settle for the Zamperla mine train that just closed at Ocean Park in Hong kong. Best mine train ever built (in terms of airtime and layout of the actual coaster). I am hoping beyond hope an Aussie park buys it. It's a wonderful coaster.

@pazzap if you are near 50 i feel sorry for you, because the way you have responded to @Jobe's thread and ideas is pre-teen level at best. He put a heap of thought and effort into an idea, and for you to just jump on and throw shit at it, when he put more effort into one post than you have in all the contributions you have made in all your time coming in and out over the years is petulant at best. You don't have to agree with his plans, but as others have, engage in a discussion rather than acting like an arrogant dick.

That’s entirely based on taste. I’m excited for both but Leviathan has callbacks to my youth and Bush Beast at Wonderland so if I had a choice of which I’m most looking forward to, it’s Leviathan every day as I haven’t ridden a wooden coaster in the best part of 20 years

Oh, so they hired a baker to make them a path...

I get sick looking at it... Mr Taipan seems to agree.

^Black Mamba is pretty good, the interaction with the theming is extremely impressive, but purely as a coaster I wouldn't put it in the class of Nemesis, Montu or Katun.

I actually apologised, a real apology at the end of the previous post, and all I got was fuck you and more insults. Only one? Your first line to me deserved a right headbutt you condescending little turd. I'm, the immature one? My goodness man, take a look in the mirror. Sheesh. as far as my story goes, I was being a smart ass you idiot, cause you were saying how sorry you felt for me about my life, so I turned it and gave you actual sad stuff that happened, where as you were actually just being an asshole and saying "I would be sorry to be you, you are so pathetic". I tried to flip it and I was even so kind about it, I didn't have a go at you for being so condescending, and even THAT you turn around and just be a prick again. My God man you can't even see your hypocrisy in your post, literally telling me off for things you precisely do. Like somehow my opinion needs to be pointed out as opinion, but all this entire thread is just opinions. Or selectively quoting me and once again completely missing the apology at the end. I'll correct one thing.. when I said name brands, that was my bad, I meant more well known, top names. But you are such a nitpicker it is almost incredible.. You guys make fun of me but do you *seriously* have ANY kind of life? It's like you purposely drag it out to keep the conflict going, like you get off on it or something. It's incredible. Re Zamperla, you specifically said the generation trains like at OWA.. I have ridden that very coaster and I am telling you it has potholes and you can come off it with a nasty headache. It's like you keep pushing the issue and just don't accept that I think they are a bad choice for ANY park.. what's wrong with you? Jobe, Brad, you are two immature wankers, who are projectionists in every way and blame others for your own behaviour, then get butthurt when someone actually doesn't take your shit. A hypothetical park is nothing BUT opinions.. my goodness I am dealing with morons at a level I can't even fathom. My initial comment that I didn't like your park idea was not even REMOTELY that bad to turn into this. Poly fucking Annas and then some. This is what I am dealing with here.. "if you started with my opinion it would be ok". I literally said, "I think". An opinion. But I didn't use the words that YOU wanted, and here you are literally telling me what to write. Who the fuck do you think you are? Also, the semantics here are so obsessive and pathetic that it's just ludicrous. I literally just offered to turn the whole thing around and research and be productive so we could move forward, and you both spat in my face. Unbelievable. And you know what? When people resort to personal attacks over opinions on steel and bolts, they are the ones with the insecurities. You just couldn't handle that I didn't like your idea, and you got your little band together to have a go at me personally, on multiple levels. And then get surprised when I respond. The C word doesn't even cover it. And here? Heck yes I have attacked you both personally, no one speaks to me like that, multiple times and after an apology no less, and gets to talk to me again. Ever. Go have your little chinwags like little school girls behind my back whilst I blissfully mute you and never see it again. I only pressed display this post, as I presumed this would be over, little did I know.. I SHOULD have known better, cause when PollyAnnas wanna fight, they do everything in their power to keep their fight going. That said, I asked via email, a few hours back ,for my profile and all topics to be deleted, as I honestly have much better things to do in life than defend myself to a bunch of projectionist losers..... A psychologist would have a field day with you, just the sheer hypocrisy and PURPOSEFUL continuation of conflict. Must be leftists/Antifa/ etc. Hypocrites are the lowest form. Truly. I could literally spend an hour replying to every thing you said line by line, but that's what you want, and I just honestly believe you're a terrible person who is a warmonger, and I refuse to feed you anymore. "He literally quoted everything but the apology". You can't make this shit up. FFS. No dickhead, they went out of their way to insult ME, on a deeply personal level. I insulted steel and bolts, you twit. Actually, I gave an opinion about steel and bolts. Massive lack of maturity and self awareness? Talking about yourself much? All little pathetic keyboard warriors. What you consider "low" and what you don't, show a seriously screwed up set of morals, like, broken, and since you have no moral compass, don't you DARE ever virtue signal to me. On another note, Yeah, the merlin and location idea is fine, the coasters aren't.

I was arrogant cause he was arrogant. That fact that as a moderator you can't see this, is frightening. He also chased me to another topic to ONCE AGAIN completely twist my words, kind of like when someone quotes someone selectively. I respond to like with like. I genuinely wanted to participate in the topic and provide some ideas, but that quickly went out the window when he got personal, albeit in a very passive aggressive way. You have done no less than 2 personal attacks in this topic now yourself, so if I call you a fuckwit for calling me an arrogant dick, what, do *I* get banned? Is that how it works? Only one side can do it, and if they have contributed a lot over the years, is allowed to be a dick or arrogant? Gotcha. (It kinds of reminds me of a certain American political party's mantra) "It's ok when WE do it". I was going to apologise if my initial post offended in any way, and remove the one you quoted, but then as I said he chased me down at another topic and completely made up a fantasy scenario about me. I defended myself, then put him on ignore. I am still willing to bury the hatchet and accept my part and blame, as I can see from reading it back that I am surely to blame also, if he does. Fair is fair. And don't feel sorry for me.. I have a wonderful life. I did have a severe back injury which lost me almost 2 years of it, and I also had two deep tumor (thankfully benign) micro surgeries in my right ear which lost me another 3 to chronic vertigo and a lot of post op infections and illness (feel free to contact Mr Gary Sherman if you don't believe me, he will even tell you that's why I don't get sick on any flat ride, cause of all the adjustment my brain did to the vertigo, and even other interesting tidbits about how my hearing comes back when at full cruise altitude in a plane), but now I am back to working 10am to midnight or even later, 6 nights a week. I have been doing this (producing music) for 30 years since I was 19. I lost an entire ear after recording for years, and then I spent years re training how to mix with one. I lost a lot of time and money but that's how dedicated I am to my craft. If you want to feel sorry for me about THAT, well that's cool, and thanks. It was pretty harsh. With all this, OF COURSE I am rarely at the forums. If I am not doing music, I am taking long trips (usually the 90 day maximum visa waiver if I go to the US, or shorter ones elsewhere) which I frankly deserve cause I sacrifice almost all social life and spending when I am in Melbourne, (all I do is save almost every cent) doing the thing we ALL love here. It's my favourite thing in this world, before even music, and if I ever won Powerball I know I would do something stupid and build a mini park and blow every cent of it. Anyway, that's why I barely contribute.. we are in lockdown now, but in normal day to day life, I just don't have time for internet forums. Even my pro music and my favourite forum of all time, gearspace.com, I rarely contribute to anymore. There just isn't enough hours in the day. I am sorry if that offends you that I only come here when bored, but that's my reality. Is that OK? But to bury the hatchet, I will apologise for my role in being a dick and not giving a well laid out, constructive answer, instead answering in anger. I shouldn't have done that. I hold no ill will towards Jobe. Or anyone. My advice, well opinion, on the thunderbolt stands, as they are awful, and I really do think the one existing hyper gtx in Kentucky, is amazeballs. They are so good that you could have a raptor and a GTX, a couple flats and have something that already kills the new LPS (imo) before it's even open. I really do like the idea of cheaper coasters, and am happy to do a serious bit of research to find what I consider to be much better alternatives in the same price range (and no, no maurer skyloops LOL, even though I think they are lots of fun). Peace.

Logistically relocating this coaster is more than likely impossible given how most of the supports are custom built to the terrain. I found the experience to be pretty poor when I rode it a couple of years back. Really poor transitions in some portions. A mine train would be a good addition to DW as they are lacking a family coaster but i prefer an intamin multi dimension coaster as i mentioned earlier