Movie World Scheduled Maintenance 2023

[Spotty]

2 hours ago, Naazon said:

Better yet, move it to SW, theme it to a dumping wave and call it the Wipeout. That should clear things up.

Nah, it swings so it's totally The Claw.

[themagician]

9 hours ago, Spotty said:

Thank you for turning this thread around. Now... shall we place bets on if Doomsday will spend more of the year open or closed?

It’s closure has been extended again to May 30

[REGIE]

I am betting it will be closed for 171 days of the year

[Rivals]

i really don’t get what makes Doomsday so unreliable, mechanically it doesn’t seem that complex and it really doesn’t do much, the Intamin curse strikes again. 

Im going to guess they’re waiting for a part or something, im betting it’ll be closed 180-200 days this year.

[mba2012]

I'm betting that we've all had our final rides on Doomsday.

[New display name]

49 minutes ago, Rivals said:

i really don’t get what makes Doomsday so unreliable, mechanically it doesn’t seem that complex and it really doesn’t do much, the Intamin curse strikes again. 

Im going to guess they’re waiting for a part or something, im betting it’ll be closed 180-200 days this year.

With only 2 Suspended Twin Hammers in the world, I suspect Intamin wouldn't have a lot of spare parts sitting around.

 

[REGIE]

One of the best things about intamin has been their variety and not just one size fits all. Unfortunately having near no parts that carry across from one ride to another meaning there’s heaps of specialised parts it’s also their biggest weakness 

[DaptoFunlandGuy]

1 hour ago, Rivals said:

the Intamin curse strikes again

Can you expand on that? I'm not doubting that this has come from somewhere, but although they've got loads of different attractions out there, some of which are undergoing some level of difficulty, the brand doesn't strike me as inherently unreliable - we've got attractions like Superman and Giant Drop, both from Intamin, and both lasting decades, with parks investing in those attractions longevity (in Dreamworld's case, as we speak)... 

Like, if Intamin is a shitty manufacturer, then they pretty much all are, no?

[Rivals]

9 minutes ago, DaptoFunlandGuy said:

Can you expand on that? I'm not doubting that this has come from somewhere, but although they've got loads of different attractions out there, some of which are undergoing some level of difficulty, the brand doesn't strike me as inherently unreliable - we've got attractions like Superman and Giant Drop, both from Intamin, and both lasting decades, with parks investing in those attractions longevity (in Dreamworld's case, as we speak)... 

Like, if Intamin is a shitty manufacturer, then they pretty much all are, no?

Intamin does have a reputation for some pretty unreliable rides that a lot of enthusiasts (specifically from America) joke about. They aren’t a bad manufacturer however some of their rides are unreliable wether it’s due to high complexity, large amounts of stress on the track or whatever. In recent years their attractions have become a lot more reliable compared to their older rides like Xcelerator, Dragster, the Prefab woodies ect. It was just a joke though.

[Slick]

58 minutes ago, REGIE said:

Unfortunately having near no parts that carry across from one ride to another meaning there’s heaps of specialised parts it’s also their biggest weakness 

I think sometimes you make stuff up.

Almost every ride manufacturer will use similar parts (like ride restraints and vehicle parts) across dozens of installations where it's safe and cost-effective to do so. For example, Doomsday has the same OTSR and seat design as Lex Luthor at SFMM. Superman Escape has the same OTSR's as Furios Baco, SurfRider etc. etc. Just because what you see as an enthusiast (the outer fibreglass, colour, theme etc.) is different between rides doesn't mean that manufacturers won't re-use parts and designs where they can to reduce cost-base during the build and over time.

I think you'll find no OEM is doing unnecessary specialised parts for specialised sake, either. Where's the competitive advantage of doing that?

25 minutes ago, Rivals said:

Intamin does have a reputation for some pretty unreliable rides that a lot of enthusiasts (specifically from America) joke about. They aren’t a bad manufacturer however some of their rides are unreliable wether it’s due to high complexity, large amounts of stress on the track or whatever. In recent years their attractions have become a lot more reliable compared to their older rides like Xcelerator, Dragster, the Prefab woodies ect. It was just a joke though.

The flipside of that is that it was kind of a golden era for ride innovation, where firms allowed manufacturers to take technology risks in order to push boundaries that maximise attraction marketability. These days, cost of capital (and the cost for civil construction) is as high as it's ever been, parks are risk-averse both from a return of investment front and a safety front and the tech being used is pretty mature. I think Doomsday was right at the tail end of that golden era, stuck somewhere between trying to innovate a mature ride design and developing something that adheres to modern safety culture.

Edited April 19, 2023 by Slick

[DaptoFunlandGuy]

21 minutes ago, Rivals said:

a lot more reliable compared to their older rides like Xcelerator, Dragster, the Prefab woodies ect.

Xcelerator was their first Accelerator model, and TTD was their second. TTD only went down due to the incident, if I recall, and correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't Xcelerator closed much out of caution after the TTD incident too?

The current rhetoric is that they're waiting on parts but a lot of folk are betting that Cedar plans to retrofit both Xcelerator and TTD with a newer launch system, but that they're waiting to see how TTD fares before moving on X.

This doesn't strike me as a reliability issue - the hydraulic launches are nearing end of life, and have all but been replaced in production with LSM style launches moving forward - the rides have operated for 20 years relatively faithfully (like our Superman) other than the inherent issues with being world first prototypes.

As for the prefabs, it's likewise issues with being world first and lessons learned but those issues are also being worked out.

So far you've pointed to two ride types as examples, but the pre-fab is the only thing that seems like an inherent poor design, so hardly justification for branding an entire manufacturer as having a 'curse'.

You want to tar an entire manufacturer with the same brush, start with something like Meisho... it'll make life easier.

[New display name]

Intamin's Tourbillon problems are well known.  

[Rivals]

9 minutes ago, DaptoFunlandGuy said:

So far you've pointed to two ride types as examples, but the pre-fab is the only thing that seems like an inherent poor design, so hardly justification for branding an entire manufacturer as having a 'curse'.

You want to tar an entire manufacturer with the same brush, start with something like Meisho... it'll make life easier.

first of all, the “curse” was a joke…

i mentioned two ride designs as i don’t need to mention every single ride design from the company that has had issues to get my point across. no one is bashing or tearing down a company just because some rides are unreliable doesn’t mean the company is bad.

[DaptoFunlandGuy]

Just to be clear, I'm not challenging your statement to give you a hard time - i was genuinely trying to understand what the issues are as I don't see intamin as having any particularly endemic issues across the board.

The only examples you gave didn't really seem to ring true with what you'd suggested, which is why I queried those further...

[Naazon]

5 minutes ago, DaptoFunlandGuy said:

Just to be clear, I'm not challenging your statement to give you a hard time - i was genuinely trying to understand what the issues are as I don't see intamin as having any particularly endemic issues across the board.

The only examples you gave didn't really seem to ring true with what you'd suggested, which is why I queried those further...

I know even less than both of you, but even I've heard of the "Intamin Curse" and its reputation for unreliable rides, particularly coasters. From what I've seen its mostly spurred on by Americans. As for actual statistics, no idea. 

[Spotty]

2 hours ago, New display name said:

With only 2 Suspended Twin Hammers in the world, I suspect Intamin wouldn't have a lot of spare parts sitting around.

 

One now... the one in Malaysia closed down and this is a 2nd gen version of it as well. So really it's the only one.

"Intamin's Tourbillon problems are well known.  " - Sorry wouldn't let me quote in an edit.

Those rides were actually built by ABC Fun Rides but sold by Intamin. Similar to how in Europe, Vekoma sells RMC products but they are still built by RMC

 

 

Edited April 19, 2023 by Spotty
Added info

[Baconjack]

44 minutes ago, Naazon said:

I know even less than both of you, but even I've heard of the "Intamin Curse" and its reputation for unreliable rides, particularly coasters. From what I've seen its mostly spurred on by Americans. As for actual statistics, no idea. 

Ok let's assess:

Superman, Jet Rescue, Surfrider, Motocoaster, Big Dipper: Generally problem free, maybe a few issues here and then but that's roller coasters for you

Tower of Terror: Mostly reliable in its first 15 years however got more unreliable as it aged (common with most roller coasters)

Doomsday: Lemon flat.

Claw, Goliath, Giant Drop, Space Probe: Not lemon flats.

You be the judge but that's not a terrible track record.

Edited April 19, 2023 by Baconjack

[New display name]

3 minutes ago, Baconjack said:

Tower of Terror: Mostly reliable in its first 15 years however got more unreliable as it aged (common with most roller coasters)

Had many problems when it first opened up.

[Baconjack]

Just now, New display name said:

Had many problems when it first opened up.

So like Big Dipper or Leviathan then. Plenty of rides have teething problems

[New display name]

You're changing the subject @Baconjack 

 

[Naazon]

54 minutes ago, Baconjack said:

Ok let's assess:

Superman, Jet Rescue, Surfrider, Motocoaster, Big Dipper: Generally problem free, maybe a few issues here and then but that's roller coasters for you

Tower of Terror: Mostly reliable in its first 15 years however got more unreliable as it aged (common with most roller coasters)

Doomsday: Lemon flat.

Claw, Goliath, Giant Drop, Space Probe: Not lemon flats.

You be the judge but that's not a terrible track record.

Also think you're overestimating my care levels. Was just pointing out the "unreliable Intamin" is a thing. Accurate or not, its a thing.

[Rivals]

1 hour ago, DaptoFunlandGuy said:

Just to be clear, I'm not challenging your statement to give you a hard time - i was genuinely trying to understand what the issues are as I don't see intamin as having any particularly endemic issues across the board.

The only examples you gave didn't really seem to ring true with what you'd suggested, which is why I queried those further...

i understand i was just letting you know the curse thing was mainly said as a joke.

you may not have heard about some of their rides unreliability but we have been pretty blessed with the intamins here as excluding Doomsday they are pretty reliable so that could be why you haven’t heard about it, but it is a running joke atleast within more of the international community.

[joz]

The Intamin curse is a thing, but I feel it's a rather outdated idea these days. It kind of came from that era in the early 2000s when Intamin rides had this nasty habit of ejecting people.

 

Occasionally all manufacturers will build something that turns out to be an absolute biscuit, but Intamin are fairly solid these days.

[Stevie]

8 hours ago, New display name said:

 I suspect Intamin wouldn't have a lot of spare parts sitting around.

This is the case for most Intamin rides unfortunately

[DaptoFunlandGuy]

15 hours ago, joz said:

an absolute biscuit

this is the perfect description for Doomsday and i'm here for it.

Mind if I steal that?

15 hours ago, joz said:

Intamin are fairly solid these days.

LOL that this was in my news feed this morning:

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On April 7, 2023, at approximately 10:16am, a lithium battery situated on the second carriage of a coaster train caught fire at the end of the course. Returning to the station in flames, the fire was quickly brought under control by the teams on site. Two women were injured and treated by paramedics. Objectif Mars is currently closed at this time as an investigation takes place.

VIDÉO. « Ça criait dans tous les sens » : une attraction prend feu au Futuroscope, deux femmes blessées - Le Parisien

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectif_Mars

It's a two year old Intamin family spinner.