Wizard of Oz - Movie World Arkham Asylum Replacement

[Baconjack]

51 minutes ago, DaptoFunlandGuy said:

There is no way the IP cost more than the hardware.

To add isn’t the rights to the film owned by Warner themselves anyway?

Wouldn’t this be covered in the royalties/licensing deal Village already have with Warner for their brand name plus IP like DC, looney tunes, and scooby-doo or at most renegotiated to include Oz?

Edited January 9 by Baconjack

[Levithian]

Its turner. And village dont have any ties to warner bros anymore, not even as a film distributor, so they pay for everything. You dont get all your characters in a packaged deal. You generally have contracts and agreements for everyone you licence. Usually image rights and the ability to have the characters in your park can be seperate from merchandising rights too. So agreements might end/come up for renewal at different times for different characters (or groups of) vs a blanket agreement to use any of a studios IP.

Edited January 9 by Levithian

[DaptoFunlandGuy]

This thread has been pretty quiet, while over the highway the Rivertown\Jungle Rush threads continue with updates. 

I haven't been to WOZ myself, and I've no great urge to rush out and do so just yet, but from what i've heard and seen online, the sentiments towards the land are that it was a miss. 

I watched this last night and the channel has been pretty on the mark with other topics covered. Call it confirmation bias if you like, but a lot of what is covered in this video sounds about what I expected. this video is a big oof.

 

[themagician]

Really good video and (unfortunately for VRTP) it all comes across as accurate, especially the ‘fear of dreamworld’ comments!

[Brad2912]

Great video, with all very valid and real concerns/explanations  

[Ash]

Maloneys videos are good, and he is on point with this. As everyone has stated, something fell short in regards to the theming etc, they didn’t let the theming company has full access/budget to do this place justice. 
 

Didnt realise Arkham theming was still visible in the area which is crazy. The panic was real when Dreamworld announced a soft opening. 

[New display name]

How does JR get a pass with "it ran out of time and there is more to come" and WOZ doesn't.  I never get this pick side mentality.   90% of it has to be coming from people who work at the parks right? 

[DaptoFunlandGuy]

1 minute ago, New display name said:

How does JR get a pass with "it ran out of time and there is more to come" and WOZ doesn't.  I never get this pick side mentality.   90% of it has to be coming from people who work at the parks right? 

Only thing I can point to is that DW have been upfront about saying 'there's more' whereas MW haven't said diddly and just went 'it's open!'

It's all about communication. Dreamworld are pretty open about things, and Village keeps things tightly to their chest. 

[Naazon]

1 minute ago, DaptoFunlandGuy said:

Only thing I can point to is that DW have been upfront about saying 'there's more' whereas MW haven't said diddly and just went 'it's open!'

It's all about communication. Dreamworld are pretty open about things, and Village keeps things tightly to their chest. 

People were also happy with JR and the themeing prior to DW coming out being like "oh theres more to come"

[New display name]

I do agree @Naazon the nightwatchman at Village could be more engaging with guest.  Pretending DD has always just been a hole in the ground or is currently under maintenance, is extremely condescending.

 

Edited Friday at 02:57 AM by New display name

[Brad2912]

51 minutes ago, New display name said:

How does JR get a pass with "it ran out of time and there is more to come" and WOZ doesn't.  I never get this pick side mentality.   90% of it has to be coming from people who work at the parks right? 

Probably because JR looks finished. Even if they hadn’t of added what they have since opening day, and continue to add, it was still a well themed immersive attraction. What they are adding now just elevates it further.

WoZ isn’t immersive once you step outside that internal queue area. And let’s be frank, it never will be. VTP isn’t going to put millions retrospectively into adding theming to the ride envelopes and surrounds. The most we can ever hope for is some shade sails. 
 

 

[themagician]

@New display name that’s (one) of the biggest issues with Village, no transparency about anything. And I don’t think at any point they’ve said there is more to come, they said it was officially open (with 14hrs notice) and that’s it. I think a lot of visitors/enthusiasts have said they hope there is more to come, but I honestly think what we see is what we’re getting. They might add some world class shade sails over some of the queues, but that’s about it.

Dreamworld have openly said there is more to come because it was all planned to be ready for opening day, but unfortunately due to shipping delays and quality issues some of it wasn’t ready. So they said here it is, it’s officially open, but this isn’t the final product and it’s going to get even better over the next few months as new pieces arrive and are installed.

[New display name]

@Brad2912 the main room looked very much unfinished and I believe most people commented on it.  

@themagiciana small part of me believes MW are saying nothing about DD because what MW has left us with, (a hole in the ground) is all we are getting.

[Baconjack]

4 hours ago, New display name said:

How does JR get a pass with "it ran out of time and there is more to come" and WOZ doesn't.  I never get this pick side mentality.   90% of it has to be coming from people who work at the parks right? 

Does rivertown have shade and places for someone to have a sit down at?

Much easier to call WOZ incomplete when village decided it was a good idea to open the land with sections of queue in complete exposure to the sun without fans or shade and with nowhere to sit down after lining up over an hour for 1 ride

Theming is theming but it’s mind boggling Village thought guests would be fine in a slow moving queue exposed to the Queensland heat with nothing to cool them off. How does that pass OH&S? To be quite frank they’re very lucky no one needed an ambulance called.

4 hours ago, DaptoFunlandGuy said:

Only thing I can point to is that DW have been upfront about saying 'there's more' whereas MW haven't said diddly and just went 'it's open!'

It's all about communication. Dreamworld are pretty open about things, and Village keeps things tightly to their chest. 

Cut village some slack they didn’t even acknowledge the existence of DC rivals until it nearly finished construction

They’re still trying to get to the “Let’s announce an opening date to get people excited for our new ride” stage of being a world class theme park business

Edited Friday at 07:07 AM by Baconjack

[New display name]

I thought all the seats in Rivertown sit out in the sun @Baconjack?🤷‍♂️

[Coppertine]

20 minutes ago, Baconjack said:

Does rivertown have shade and places for someone to have a sit down at?

Rivertown doesn't have many shaded places, but has a lot of themed seating and bins placed around the area. Which make sense since shades might block the sightlines for the area if not placed down correctly.
As well, due to the very small area, there isn't any water fountains installed in the land. Closest to getting water without going to the resturant is by getting water at one of the food courts (which they only serve tap water?) or getting water from the Giftshop. (I kinda wish we had cooled water ready IN the land itself, but oh well.)

[Ash]

My bottom line is, Rivertown looks like a finished land. Despite them adding more which is good but they should have been added before hand. The land is amazing, I do believe they focused in the end run on Jane’s restaurant. Oz looks bare, and as The Magician said, the socials from both parks are the opposite.

 

Dreamworld are constantly posting videos etc, closures, updates. When was the last time we heard about an update on Scooby Doo, or the Dooms day removal? 
 

 

[Levi]

apparently Kansas Twister has already started to only operate one side, ngl that was quicker than i expected.

Edited yesterday at 09:24 AM by Levi

[Baconjack]

40 minutes ago, Levi said:

apparently Kansas Twister has already started to only operate one side, ngl that was quicker than i expected.

Start of February is historically the time of year where everything stops running at full capacity until next summer

I must say it’s pretty silly to buy a dueling family boomerang and only run both sides for just over a month every year if they’re operating on this schedule

What happens in future? Assuming that the control systems for the rides are independent of each other, excluding a repaint this ride could have very short maintenance periods as one side could be worked on while the other is still running? 

Edited yesterday at 10:06 AM by Baconjack

[Levi]

9 minutes ago, Baconjack said:

Start of February is historically the time of year where everything stops running at full capacity until next summer

I must say it’s pretty silly to buy a dueling family boomerang and only run both sides for just over a month every year if they’re operating on this schedule

especially when they’ve only operated for a month? maybe it could be how they need to do an inspection shortly after opening to the trains to make sure everything’s working as intended (like jungle rush operating one train for two days then returning back to two trains.) hopefully we see both sides being used soon.

Edited yesterday at 10:08 AM by Levi

[Baconjack]

Just now, Levi said:

especially when they’ve only operated for a month? maybe it could be how they need to do an inspection shortly after opening to the trains to make sure everything’s working as intended (like jungle rush operating one train for two days then returning back to two trains.) hopefully we see both sides being used soon.

The ride is new so teething issues are an expectation (ie: leviathan)

But seems very strange considering  this is the time of year the second trains for superman and rivals get removed from service typically

[DaptoFunlandGuy]

On 31/01/2025 at 5:07 PM, Baconjack said:

Does rivertown have shade and places for someone to have a sit down at?

Seats exist throughout rivertown but they are themed crates and many folk probably don't realise that they're meant to be sat on.

Rivertown did have some issues with shade, however -

• both queues are fully covered
• They've recently added themed 'parachute' screens over the eastern side of the queue for the cars to shelter guests on the edge of the building (western face covers the 'driveway' too so more shade for guests that side)

 

• On 31/01/2025 at 5:30 PM, Coppertine said:

  As well, due to the very small area, there isn't any water fountains installed in the land. Closest to getting water without going to the resturant is by getting water at one of the food courts (which they only serve tap water?) or getting water from the Giftshop. (I kinda wish we had cooled water ready IN the land itself, but oh well.)

It is absolutely criminal that this isn't a consideration for our parks in all new builds. I've visited a lot of overseas places recently and it's remarkable just how frequently you find publicly accessible water sources - bubblers within the queue, electric water coolers to fill water bottles, etc.
I don't care how far away the nearest potable water is - parks need to run plumbing to all new areas, and factor free water supply devices into their queues and 'precincts' from here-on in.

14 hours ago, Levi said:

apparently Kansas Twister has already started to only operate one side, ngl that was quicker than i expected.

Wasn't it unexpectedly closed last week? Perhaps they're having issues and felt it was better to have one open than none?

Ie: I don't think this is a cost saving measure for off-peak, i think its a mechanical issue they've been forced into.

 

[Naazon]

5 minutes ago, DaptoFunlandGuy said:

It is absolutely criminal that this isn't a consideration for our parks in all new builds. I've visited a lot of overseas places recently and it's remarkable just how frequently you find publicly accessible water sources - bubblers within the queue, electric water coolers to fill water bottles, etc.
I don't care how far away the nearest potable water is - parks need to run plumbing to all new areas, and factor free water supply devices into their queues and 'precincts' from here-on in.

 

Every post visit guest feedback survey I do, for both parks, i put that more water should be available.

MW is better than DW here, WnW and WWW are shocking.

[Levram__]

3 hours ago, DaptoFunlandGuy said:

Wasn't it unexpectedly closed last week? Perhaps they're having issues and felt it was better to have one open than none?

Ie: I don't think this is a cost saving measure for off-peak, i think its a mechanical issue they've been forced into.

I wouldn't be shocked if we saw this happen in the near future though... the amount of money being spent on staff wages for these attractions would be rather high... There are staff everywhere to both operate and to navigate the design/layout of these attractions.