Leviathan Construction Updates

[StingRay]

I know many want it to be a theme park. But technically its a marine park but with rides. Many tourists mainly for the Dolphins a polar bears etc. I know some people just go for the rides tho.

This is just a personal view that's all.

[Whombex]

On 20/10/2020 at 10:18 AM, Jay Jay The Jet Plane said:

These are from Saturday afternoon 

Completely forgot to upload them onto here but better than never 😅

[snip]

This guy gets sight lines. 👍

[Original]

20 hours ago, StingRay said:

I know many want it to be a theme park. But technically its a marine park but with rides. Many tourists mainly for the Dolphins a polar bears etc. I know some people just go for the rides tho.

This is just a personal view that's all.

Then why don't you just call DW a zoo with rides?

[Flynn_Smith]

13 minutes ago, Original said:

Then why don't you just call DW a zoo with rides?

That's completely different. Sea World is based around marine conservation, and has always intended to be focussed on that. Whereas Dreamworld was originally intended as a theme park with a few Australian animals, and has slowly expanded to also include Tigers. Dreamworld also has far more rides and attractions than Seaworld does.

[StingRay]

25 minutes ago, Original said:

Then why don't you just call DW a zoo with rides?

@Flynn_Smith pretty just said what I would. If you look back at history Seaworld Australia was set up as a marine park. Yes, there have added rides and attractions and I support that. But at the core of the business its not all about rides and slides. It is about animal conservation. Self-explanatory really.

[auspicious]

17 minutes ago, Flynn_Smith said:

That's completely different. Sea World is based around marine conservation, and has always intended to be focussed on that. Whereas Dreamworld was originally intended as a theme park with a few Australian animals, and has slowly expanded to also include Tigers. Dreamworld also has far more rides and attractions than Seaworld does.

 

7 minutes ago, StingRay said:

If you look back at history Seaworld Australia was set up as a marine park. Yes, there have added rides and attractions and I support that.

Nope. Seaworld started as a ski show and gradually added animals and rides. The heavy reliance on animals only came about in the late 90's. They had heavily themed rides like lassiters (which became Bermuda Triangle) long before there was any conservation message or animals were the main thing.

DW and SW are both theme parks that are severely lacking in rides and good theming. But both are theme parks and this is a really stupid debate to be having.

Edited October 22, 2020 by auspicious

[StingRay]

2 minutes ago, auspicious said:

But both are theme parks and this is a really stupid debate to be having.

I was not having a debate. But thanks.

[Original]

Yep, never started as a Marine Park, started with a ski show and evolved from there into a theme park, which in recent years was left with very few rides.

When SW added Dolphins, DW added Tigers, when DW added Tunderbolt, SW added Corkscrew as they competed with each other. 

[auspicious]

I quoted multiple posts and it is (was?) a friendly back and forth of different ideas  between multiple members but sure, not a debate 🤷‍♂️

[themagician]

Straight from the Sea World website 

 

[Gazza]

1 hour ago, StingRay said:

@Flynn_Smith pretty just said what I would. If you look back at history Seaworld Australia was set up as a marine park. Yes, there have added rides and attractions and I support that. But at the core of the business its not all about rides and slides. It is about animal conservation. Self-explanatory really.

I think in more recent years it has become that certainly in response to visitor attitudes and expectations, but when SW first started it was very much ski shows, seals doing tricks and whatever basic amusement rides people liked (without really having a relationship to the sea, eg the Train, Carousel, Lasseters Lost Mine etc.

[StingRay]

2 hours ago, Gazza said:

I think in more recent years it has become that certainly in response to visitor attitudes and expectations, but when SW first started it was very much ski shows, seals doing tricks and whatever basic amusement rides people liked (without really having a relationship to the sea, eg the Train, Carousel, Lasseters Lost Mine etc.

100% I should have worded myself a lot better. I was meaning within the recent 20 years. I should have pointed out the period  I was referring too. Most definitely when the park opened it was about the Ski Show and those basic sea animal interactions. 

But over time they have added to that more with the animal experiences including the animals they have now. 

[auspicious]

3 hours ago, themagician said:

Straight from the Sea World website 

 

I don’t think anyones disputing that its a marine park in the vein of the US Seaworlds. Its whether it is a theme park. And the answer is absolutely yes.

Themed areas and rides have been integral to SW for 30+ years. They’ve continued to add new themed rides every few years. 

Also should point out VRT only really started calling it a marine park very recently to soften their image after all the animal activist nonsense. That’s just branding and marketing. It’s still a theme park by any reasonable definition. 

Edited October 22, 2020 by auspicious

[Gazza]

Like, if you have 4 coasters and a Nickelodeon land, then clearly you are in theme park territory.

A marine park would be something like this:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Sea+Life+Park+Hawaii/@21.3139106,-157.6627516,279m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x5def94f09ab5dc01!8m2!3d21.3134069!4d-157.6633398

[Original]

I could agree Marine Park when the park only had two adult rides. But once Atlantis opens that changes again and it is definitely a theme park. 

Interestingly in my mind Marine Park, but has rides is worse branding wise than a theme park. I don't think rides really have a place in them. But a theme park it does. But hey its one of those that was probably researched and focused grouped to the hilt and for now is the friendliest option. 

But hey I'm going for the hybrid, marine theme park! 😂

[Jdude95]

I compare Dreamworld to the likes of Busch Gardens. A mix of a theme park and a zoo. I'd compare Seaworld Aus to Seaworld USA but Seaworld USA gives no shits about their animals and has a huge focus on very well done, high impact rides. Seaworld Aus has become a conservation effort as the focus on rides dropped. Now that we are seeing more rides being built, we might finally get a good mix of rides and caring about the animals.

Edited October 22, 2020 by Jdude95

[Park Addict 93]

I think we are missing the real issue here... that VRTP lists Paradise Country as a Theme Park.

[Jdude95]

2 minutes ago, Park Addict 93 said:

I think we are missing the real issue here... that VRTP lists Paradise Country as a Theme Park.

I love how the "what defines a theme park" debate occurs while @AlexB is off in the middle of nowhere. 

Though, I guess PC is a park that's themed to the outback

[themagician]

1 hour ago, Jdude95 said:

Though, I guess PC is a park that's themed to the outback

Don’t you mean it’s themed to a farm

[Gazza]

Themed to the country, it's in the name after all.

[Brad2912]

58 minutes ago, Gazza said:

Themed to the country, it's in the name after all.

Well it’s certainly not themed to a Paradise.  
 

Far too much dirt and animal shit for that. 

[StingRay]

16 hours ago, Park Addict 93 said:

I think we are missing the real issue here... that VRTP lists Paradise Country as a Theme Park.

The forgotten child.

[Jdude95]

6 hours ago, Gazza said:

Themed to the country, it's in the name after all.

But which country? When I think paradise, I think Norway 

[MrStroganoff]

10 hours ago, Brad2912 said:

Well it’s certainly not themed to a Paradise.  
 

Far too much dirt and animal shit for that. 

😂 Very true

[colonelbmx]

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